How does one put research on a CV for residency purposes?

[CuriousMDStudent]

Title sums it up. I have multiple questions. So I have an abstract that I submitted to a national conference and it got accepted. I am second author on it so I will not be presenting it but a resident/fellow will be presenting instead. However, I have heard this still goes on my CV since it has my name on it. How do I put this on my CV? I know people put abstracts, presentations, and manuscripts in different fields. So let's say this project also got accepted for a publication, how would it work? Would I put it in my Cv like in each of the 3 sections?

Abstracts Accepted
Project X citation

Presentations:
Project X citation

Publication
Project X citation

I also am thinking down the road. My projects are currently being submitted for publication but let's say a project is in the process of submission when I apply. How would one put that on their CV?

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[mrbreakfast]

If you are asking specifically for residency application purposes, ERAS has a section where you enter each research project you participated in.

If you are trying to put this on a CV, I would cite it using the citation the conference gives you (if they do).

I don't think people double-cite the same thing. For example, if you get an abstract accepted that is later published as part of a paper, I don't think people list the abstract. I didn't. I'd list it twice only if you personally presented a first-author poster at a conference and later published the paper, but that's just my opinion.

let's say a project is in the process of submission when I apply. How would one put that on their CV?

I don't think people put this on their CV at all. If it's not accepted for publication, it's not very meaningful. Sure, you wrote a paper, but how can whoever is reading your CV know that paper wasn't already rejected multiple times and is soon to be rejected again? If you are working on an unpublished project as part of a research group, you can describe that in your "activities" section.

 

[CuriousMDStudent]

Okay that dispels a lot of misconceptions I had. Thank you @mrbreakfast . The abstract thing though. I feel like I heard people say they put abstracts in their applications or CVs or something.

 

[TelemarketingEnigma]

I think “abstracts” is a little confusing because usually when you submit an abstract to a conference, it’s with the end goal of getting accepted for a poster or oral presentation. It’s the presentation that really matters and gets listed on your CV.

For example, I work in project A and submit an abstract to Conference X which gets accepted for a poster presentation. I’d list that on my CV under “Posters” (or more generally “presentations” depending on what you’re trying to highlight). If I later write a manuscript about project A, I’d list that under “Publications”. I’d usually still keep the presentation on there separately (at least until I get to the point of research experience where I start leaving posters out).

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

I think “abstracts” is a little confusing because usually when you submit an abstract to a conference, it’s with the end goal of getting accepted for a poster or oral presentation. It’s the presentation that really matters and gets listed on your CV.

For example, I work in project A and submit an abstract to Conference X which gets accepted for a poster presentation. I’d list that on my CV under “Posters” (or more generally “presentations” depending on what you’re trying to highlight). If I later write a manuscript about project A, I’d list that under “Publications”. I’d usually still keep the presentation on there separately (at least until I get to the point of research experience where I start leaving posters out).

Only time I’d list it as an abstract is if you didn’t present or if it got accepted but not presented for whatever reason (conference canceled due to COVID or something).

 

[Lawpy]

Is double counting papers and abstracts for the same project something recommended? I know someone said no in this thread but advice remains mixed because ERAS/charting outcomes groups papers and abstracts together. And abstracts can make a difference between an N=10 papers only vs N=20 papers+abstracts (as an example)

The abstracts are presumably indexed as part of journal supplements btw

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Is double counting papers and abstracts for the same project something recommended? I know someone said no in this thread but advice remains mixed because ERAS/charting outcomes groups papers and abstracts together. And abstracts can make a difference between an N=10 papers only vs N=20 papers+abstracts (as an example)

The abstracts are presumably indexed as part of journal supplements btw

General consensus i believe is that you don’t double dip.

 

[TelemarketingEnigma]

Is double counting papers and abstracts for the same project something recommended? I know someone said no in this thread but advice remains mixed because ERAS/charting outcomes groups papers and abstracts together. And abstracts can make a difference between an N=10 papers only vs N=20 papers+abstracts (as an example)

The abstracts are presumably indexed as part of journal supplements btw

opinions tend to vary, but in my experience at med student level it's okay to list both poster/oral presentation and a manuscript stemming from the same project, as they are related but not just direct components of each other. Eventually as you get a stronger research resume you may start dropping posters. it's not okay in my opinion to list both abstract and poster, since they're essentially the same research product, though I've heard some people disagree with that before (they want to list the abstract if it gets published in a major journal supplement after the conference - but imo if the conference is important enough to get published in a major journal, people will recognize the name of the conference itself with the same level of respect). I've never actually had the experience of having an "abstract" published as the sole end product - i'm not sure if this is more of a thing in some specialties than others, but i've always had something else associated with the abstract which is what actually goes on a resume. The COVID cancellation scenario is a fair point though

 

[mvenus929]

Here's what my CV looks like, FWIW.

Publications

Abstracts and Presentations
- Oral Presentations
-> National
-> Local/Regional
- Poster presentations
-> National
-> Local/Regional

Editorial Service

Current Research Projects
(summary of ongoing projects that don't have any publications out of them)

Educational Projects
(summary of ongoing and past projects without any publications or other work products)

Quality Improvement Projects
(summary of ongoing and past QI projects without any publications or other work products)

I still have presentations listed if I have a manuscript out of it, because the abstracts are often published separately and don't necessarily contain the same data as the manuscript. This is up for debate, but it's not uncommon. I do not list presentations separately from the published abstract, I just link the DOI to the abstract presentation. I also only list one presentation if it was presented multiple places--for instance at a national subspecialty meeting, a regional specialty meeting, and a local 'medical school' poster day. I only list the national presentation in this case, unless I had a poster at the national meeting and an oral presentation at the local/regional meeting; then both get listed since oral presentations are higher, but the poster presentation is to a bigger audience.

For the purposes of ERAS, they have specific sections that each thing goes in, so I would just be a little more cautious about double dipping since the ERAS CV is not formatted as well as a standard CV is (for instance, listing a manuscript, abstract, poster, and research experience all for the same project). I agree that listing presentations/abstracts separately from manuscripts is fine.

 

[CuriousMDStudent]

Do people put college posters and projects in their CVs as well?

I noticed in the NRMP survey they said for some of the more competitive specialties the # abstract/poster presentation/ publications items accepted applicant had on average was 13-19. This is for some of the competitive specialties so please don't freak out people.

I'm halfway through 2nd year and during my first year I was on multiple projects but some didn't pan out.

At the moment, I am looking at 5 projects that have been written up and are being submitted to journals and conferences and etc.

But I cannot imagine how I could've done 13-19 projects during my first year and juggled classes in a decent way.

Anyone have any thoughts on how applicants are able to put 13-19 items on their CVs?

At the moment, I am just finishing my projects (collecting follow up data, making edits to manuscripts) but I don't plan to do anymore research as I lock in for STEP 1 and the 3rd year grind of clerkships and STEP 2.

 

[AlteredScale]

Do people put college posters and projects in their CVs as well?

I noticed in the NRMP survey they said for some of the more competitive specialties the # abstract/poster presentation/ publications items accepted applicant had on average was 13-19. This is for some of the competitive specialties so please don't freak out people.

I'm halfway through 2nd year and during my first year I was on multiple projects but some didn't pan out.

At the moment, I am looking at 5 projects that have been written up and are being submitted to journals and conferences and etc.

But I cannot imagine how I could've done 13-19 projects during my first year and juggled classes in a decent way.

Anyone have any thoughts on how applicants are able to put 13-19 items on their CVs?

At the moment, I am just finishing my projects (collecting follow up data, making edits to manuscripts) but I don't plan to do anymore research as I lock in for STEP 1 and the 3rd year grind of clerkships and STEP 2.

Some do if it pertains to their overall application. I did because I did a poster that was released to my research interests in medical school.

 

[TelemarketingEnigma]

Do people put college posters and projects in their CVs as well?

I noticed in the NRMP survey they said for some of the more competitive specialties the # abstract/poster presentation/ publications items accepted applicant had on average was 13-19. This is for some of the competitive specialties so please don't freak out people.

I'm halfway through 2nd year and during my first year I was on multiple projects but some didn't pan out.

At the moment, I am looking at 5 projects that have been written up and are being submitted to journals and conferences and etc.

But I cannot imagine how I could've done 13-19 projects during my first year and juggled classes in a decent way.

Anyone have any thoughts on how applicants are able to put 13-19 items on their CVs?

At the moment, I am just finishing my projects (collecting follow up data, making edits to manuscripts) but I don't plan to do anymore research as I lock in for STEP 1 and the 3rd year grind of clerkships and STEP 2.

yes, you can include projects from before med school, research is forever. A few ways you can rack up that research:

- Be productive before med school. Probably about half of my total presentations/pubs are from my job before med school. it definitely helped me relax during med school and focus on quality over quantity, and not need to stress about doing research during clerkships
- joining a lab/research team early on that churns out papers/posters
- taking a productive research year (seems to be increasingly common, and there are some specialities at my school where that's basically an expectation for every applicant).
- IMG/previously graduated applicants may work in research for several years while trying to match and rack up publications.

Nobody is doing 13-19 projects during their first year alone

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

The COVID cancellation scenario is a fair point though

Yeah I’ve had people tell me if the abstract is published in a supplement and someone else presented the poster, then you should list it as an abstract since you didn’t do the presentation.

For the COVID thing, I had an abstract accepted to a natl meeting poster session, but the whole meeting was canceled due to covid. They still published the abstracts in the journal though, so I listed it as an abstract.

 

[CuriousMDStudent]

Yeah I’ve had people tell me if the abstract is published in a supplement and someone else presented the poster, then you should list it as an abstract since you didn’t do the presentation.

That's fascinating. I heard on here and in person that if a poster was presented and your name is on it then you can still put it as a presentation. Interesting how there are different thoughts. I guess this isn't a strict process and you gotta go with what feels right

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

That's fascinating. I heard on here and in person that if a poster was presented and your name is on it then you can still put it as a presentation. Interesting how there are different thoughts. I guess this isn't a strict process and you gotta go with what feels right

This is from the ERAS publication faq on this website:

• Posters that were presented by another member of your research team (i.e., not you) at a regional, national or international research conference, even if you were listed as one of the authors -- even if you were listed as first author -- should not be included here. A listing belongs here if you were the one who did the talking.

If you were an author on research that was presented in abstract form at a conference, either as a poster or oral presentation, but you were not the presenter, then you can list the research under 'peer reviewed journal articles/abstracts' if it was published in a peer reviewed journal. If the research was not published in a peer reviewed journal (either as a full article or as an abstract), then you should not list it in any of the categories above.

ERAS 'Publications' Listing FAQ

 

[GoSpursGo]

That's fascinating. I heard on here and in person that if a poster was presented and your name is on it then you can still put it as a presentation. Interesting how there are different thoughts. I guess this isn't a strict process and you gotta go with what feels right

This is from the ERAS publication faq on this website:





ERAS 'Publications' Listing FAQ

So this is where I differ from that FAQ pretty strongly. Because ERAS doesn’t allow you to make a distinction between peer reviewed publication vs abstract (or at least it didn’t 11 years ago when that FAQ was made and when I applied), you can argue that listing is more misleading than calling it a poster presentation. What I did was I listed any posters as “poster presentation,” then at the end I denoted the citation with (presented by dr so and so). In any event I think here you’re getting a bit into the weeds. If you are 3rd author on a poster, then no matter what you categorize it as nobody is going to think you presented it unless you highlighted yourself as the presenting author.

RE double dipping, I agree with @wysdoc at the med school level it is acceptable to double dip, so long as you aren’t presenting the same poster at like 4 conferences.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

So this is where I differ from that FAQ pretty strongly. Because ERAS doesn’t allow you to make a distinction between peer reviewed publication vs abstract (or at least it didn’t 11 years ago when that FAQ was made and when I applied), you can argue that listing is more misleading than calling it a poster presentation. What I did was I listed any posters as “poster presentation,” then at the end I denoted the citation with (presented by dr so and so). In any event I think here you’re getting a bit into the weeds. If you are 3rd author on a poster, then no matter what you categorize it as nobody is going to think you presented it unless you highlighted yourself as the presenting author.

RE double dipping, I agree with @wysdoc at the med school level it is acceptable to double dip, so long as you aren’t presenting the same poster at like 4 conferences.

That’s fair. In MODS, we can upload an actual CV so that programs can see exactly what everything is.

 

[CuriousMDStudent]

That’s fair. In MODS, we can upload an actual CV so that programs can see exactly what everything is.

What's MODS just curious?

 

[Lawpy]

So this is where I differ from that FAQ pretty strongly. Because ERAS doesn’t allow you to make a distinction between peer reviewed publication vs abstract (or at least it didn’t 11 years ago when that FAQ was made and when I applied), you can argue that listing is more misleading than calling it a poster presentation. What I did was I listed any posters as “poster presentation,” then at the end I denoted the citation with (presented by dr so and so). In any event I think here you’re getting a bit into the weeds. If you are 3rd author on a poster, then no matter what you categorize it as nobody is going to think you presented it unless you highlighted yourself as the presenting author.

RE double dipping, I agree with @wysdoc at the med school level it is acceptable to double dip, so long as you aren’t presenting the same poster at like 4 conferences.

Are national presentations (poster or oral) permanent in CV? I realize coauthor abstracts can be dropped from CV as research progresses, but national presentations imo feel significant enough to keep in CV forever because of the unique experiences involved.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

What's MODS just curious?

The military GME application system.

 

[GoSpursGo]

Are national presentations (poster or oral) permanent in CV? I realize coauthor abstracts can be dropped from CV as research progresses, but national presentations imo feel significant enough to keep in CV forever because of the unique experiences involved.

Depends how long you’re in academia. Again I would keep everything at the med student and even probably resident level. As a fellow and attending I’ve started dropping the posters, but oral presentations are significant enough to probably stick around forever.

INVITED talks are definitely forever.

 

[mvenus929]

Are national presentations (poster or oral) permanent in CV? I realize coauthor abstracts can be dropped from CV as research progresses, but national presentations imo feel significant enough to keep in CV forever because of the unique experiences involved.

I mean, there are some national conferences that basically accept every abstract that is submitted unless there are major concerns about the science behind it. There are also conferences that specifically have a section for case reports for students/residents/fellows--those are far less impressive than actual research.

Oral presentations are definitely forever. Poster presentations are a gray zone depending on what you are using your CV for and you may end up having multiple versions. For instance, for grant applications, you have to have a biosketch, which is a shortened CV with some narrative sections. If your only research in an area can be demonstrated by abstracts, then you're definitely including them. As faculty, I get some 'points' every year for presentations (and mentoring learners), so at least up until promotion, they all stay there.