How does your school teach you radiology?

[shadowlightfox]

So apparently, my school teaches us radiology through youtube videos....yep...and no. I literally mean they search for radiology stuff on youtube search bar and whatever pops out is whatever they give us.

I'm really curious to know how other schools teach radiology.

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[68PGunner]

We have a radiologist from our teaching hospital coming in and teaching us images.

 

[Thyr0id]

We have our anatomy fellows teach us, and we study it multiple times a week. I barley study it outside of class.

 

[Neopolymath]

So apparently, my school teaches us radiology through youtube videos....yep...and it's crappy.

I'm really curious to know how other schools teach radiology.

We have a radiologist who lectures on relevant imaging during each block. It is really well done and most students find it enjoyable AND useful.

 

[WorldChanger36]

They don't. They just expect us to know whats going on.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Tbh, I think generally reading an X-ray should be taught at least a few times. CT scans I honestly only had one or two lectures and I honestly can't really identify much even after studying it for the boards. It's something you probably need 3rd year to get down.

 

[pseud0]

once a week one of the anatomy phds gives a lecture about radiographs relevant to the stuff we're currently covering in anatomy. He's great but I don't think I get much out of the actual class. Studying on your own is the best way imo.

 

[getfat]

Radiologist from the area. Comes in once every 1-2 weeks. Best case scenario its after we've learned about the anatomy.

Only once have we had a radiology lecture before we even knew what we were looking at.

 

[shadowlightfox]

Damn, so my school's not the only school with problems when it comes to radiology huh?

 

[ParallelLines]

Radiology is incorporated at the end of every anatomy block we have. Pending on the block, we'll have some combination of xray, MRI, CT.

 

[lnguyen1412]

Radiologist come in every block and teach us

 

[shadowlightfox]

Are there anyone else having radiology lessons through youtube? It seems all you guys still learn things in a more legit way than me.

 

[nintendofriendo]

Are there anyone else having radiology lessons through youtube? It seems all you guys still learn things in a more legit way than me.

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[popopopop]

Are there anyone else having radiology lessons through youtube? It seems all you guys still learn things in a more legit way than me.

Did your school specifically made these videos? If they did, doesn't sound too bad and probably caters to those who normally skips lectures anyway.

 

[nintendofriendo]

Did your school specifically made these videos? If they did, doesn't sound too bad and probably caters to those who normally skips lectures anyway.

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[68PGunner]

I thought Rowan was one of the better DO schools. It was up high on my list of consideration.

Have you guys talk to your leadership about this concern?

 

[nintendofriendo]

I thought Rowan was one of the better DO schools. It was up high on my list of consideration.

Have you guys talk to your leadership about this concern?

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[shadowlightfox]

Did your school specifically made these videos? If they did, doesn't sound too bad and probably caters to those who normally skips lectures anyway.

No. It's literally videos that was made by someone else. Just type in radiology of whatever organ on youtube and whatever prominent results show up, that's what we're given. Obviously I'd have no problem if the school itself made it.

 

[shadowlightfox]

I thought Rowan was one of the better DO schools. It was up high on my list of consideration.

Have you guys talk to your leadership about this concern?

The administration has been making a lot of questionable decisions lately, and that seems very worrying to students in my school. Nevertheless, I don't want to talk much about my school. Regarding what you think, different schools have different pros and cons, which one should carefully research before deciding what med school they want to go into assuming they got into more than one school, which deserves its own thread. As for your other question: Too much politics involved among the administration to even make a difference, which I'm sure is not even unique to just my school.

But I digress. Right now, I just wanna focus on how to better teach myself radiology so I don't look stupid in front of the attending when I'm doing rounds next year.

However, one thing I will say before I get back on topic is that our current views of the school might become obsolete. It's undergoing massive curriculum changes for the upcoming class by making it entirely systems based 2 years, just like TCOM, etc, which can potentially be a good thing or bad thing depending on how the school handles it. So whatever we think about the school, positive or negative, might not be applicable anymore to prospective students since our opinions are based on how the school was run prior to the change. However, some of the flaws still exist in the school's system, which can't really improve the school's situation despite the curriculum changes. They might even still make the students watch more youtube videos. But who knows, which is why constantly complaining isn't gonna cut it.

If you want to know more about my school and my views including the pros and cons, especially if you're a prospective applicant, I'll PM you about it.

But back to the matter at hand, I just want to know, is there a decent source where I can teach myself radiology, especially if I'm interested in the specialty?

 

[Mad Jack]

We had radiology maybe once or twice a month during first year, plus online resources and such. Once weekly we'd do cases with relevant radiology second year

 

[Roxas]

With certain systems we'd maybe have a lecture on pertinent radiology (pulm and GI come to mind) but it was poorly taught so basically turned into self-directed learning. Subsequently I suck at reading images.

 

[shadowlightfox]

With certain systems we'd maybe have a lecture on pertinent radiology (pulm and GI come to mind) but it was poorly taught so basically turned into self-directed learning. Subsequently I suck at reading images.

Damn, that sucks if you wanna get into radiology. I know the feels, though, as a fellow student who's also constantly doing self-directed learning.

 

[68PGunner]

Damn, that sucks if you wanna get into radiology. I know the feels, though, as a fellow student who's also constantly doing self-directed learning.

Learning Radiology: Recognizing the Basics, 3e 3rd Edition

Basic Radiology, Second Edition (LANGE Clinical Medicine) 2nd Edition

Try these books. They're really good in my opinion. But, if you want to learn radiology, you should do an elective in radiology.

 

[Azete]

Our radiology instruction was literally the biggest piece of **** in all of the seven kingdoms. And now every day on rotations I get to showcase exactly how ignorant I am.

 

[shadowlightfox]

Our radiology instruction was literally the biggest piece of **** in all of the seven kingdoms. And now every day on rotations I get to showcase exactly how ignorant I am.

Lol you're better off actually youtubing then.

 

[Roxas]

Our radiology instruction was literally the biggest piece of **** in all of the seven kingdoms. And now every day on rotations I get to showcase exactly how ignorant I am.

Cool me too

 

[ortnakas]

I feel like radiology is something you learn more in third and fourth year than in pre-clinicals. We covered a bit of it in anatomy, and had a workshop on it, but not a dedicated class (then again, I had a PBL curriculum so I'm not exactly an expert on what is normal). At any rate, I have a friend pursuing radiology, and the lack of pre-clinical rads education isn't slowing him down much.

I do own a book called "Radiology 101" that gives a helpful foundation.

 

[Noisewater-TDX]

We have a 2-3 hours lectures every few weeks that no one goes to.

 

[MADD!!!]

Dang, my Radiology lectures sound so legit now. We usually have an Orthopedic Surgeon or a few others lecturing what's going on. My favorite part of it is that my school incorporates A LOT of clinical vignettes when teaching us radiology.... literally to the point where the Professor says "There's 50 tendons in the leg, but 2 of these get torn consistently because of bla bla bla... just know these 2." In terms of CT scans and other images, they just post them in lab or online and we study them on our own in tangent with what we're covering in lab. We get a few exam q's on radiology in each of our practicals.

 

[Robotfishbrain]

We have a radiology professor that comes in every relevant block. Haven't seen him in blood block except for our Oncology rounds discussions.

 

[shadowlightfox]

Dang, my Radiology lectures sound so legit now. We usually have an Orthopedic Surgeon or a few others lecturing what's going on. My favorite part of it is that my school incorporates A LOT of clinical vignettes when teaching us radiology.... literally to the point where the Professor says "There's 50 tendons in the leg, but 2 of these get torn consistently because of bla bla bla... just know these 2." In terms of CT scans and other images, they just post them in lab or online and we study them on our own in tangent with what we're covering in lab. We get a few exam q's on radiology in each of our practicals.

You see, this is the way it should be run. I like your way!

 

[Member10billion]

My school "taught" us in anatomy and in a one hour session with an uninterested FM doc. So, I basically went into 3rd year flailing.

 

[Peach Newport]

Honestly, there are YouTube videos that taught me better than any lecturer ever did. Hell, I bet if you approached it the right way, you could use YouTube videos to teach an entire medical school curriculum pretty decently.

We had our anatomy professors and a DR resident put together a bunch of lectures for us. I think they were perfectly good.

 

[073116]

Finished MRT (a Rad.Tech Bachelor Degree program) as my pre-med. Probably the only thing I've done right in my life lol. Last year before graduation we had 10 month full time work in a regional Hospital. Worked in regular X-ray, CT, MRI, Fluoro, ICU, OR, had MRI and Ultrasound experience too - you name it. Even passed MRT boards and got licensed lol.
My input:
1. It takes time and getting used to. That's why there's a Diagnostic Radiology - is a separate specialty. However, vast majority of things to see and not miss in the image (be it Xray or CT scan or MRI or US) can be learned in a relatively short time 2-3 months IF you have good material and guidance.
2. Youtube can work just as well IF it's a quality material that you are watching. Some things have to be explained in details with image examples and a good guidance - if there's such youtube videos - then why not - i don't see an issue
3. What most students/residents and attendings need is just a acquired skill - a system - a quick way to glance over X-Ray image and/or roll through CT slides to get a general idea. For ER docs you need to be able to clear c-spine trauma patients for further treatment (besides broken bones, chest and abdomen xray images), for OR ortho docs you just need to check if that titan rod you are drilling patients femur for is going straight or not (doesn't get any easier than that lol - it's all just alignment), for ICU doc you are mainly evaluating chest xray or abdomen for a tube placement, lungs/heart/fluids and/or bladder, kidney, urethra. In sum you only operate with limited number of diseases and their presentations in everyday life. It's all same everyday routine - there's a reason why most med.schools only give 1 credit course for radiology - they are not expecting you to become a radiologist, all you need to know is very limited amount of info that can be learned relatively quickly
4. Add to that a quick knowledge how to guide needles for aspirations and biopsies using Ultrasound (US) and Fluoro for some procedures. There's basically a 4-5 procedures in total that you need to know: thoracentesis (where to stick needle to draw fluid from lungs using US), med.injections to spine/knee/hip joints (fluoro), needle biopsies using US or CT and some interventional angio procedures that you won't do anyway (it will be probably a radiologist who will be doing it). Now you do need a practice for this, but if you can play Playstation or drive a car - this skill comes with practice

If I was a med.school dean - I would just buy US machines (they are dirt cheap nowadays, you don't need latest and greatest - just a single probe unit with a laptop will do) and teach students how US images look and how to guide needles. I would also teach CXR (chest), ABD xray - these 2 images (Ap/PA and Lateral) comprise 95% of everything you need. And finally CT scans - you just need to know how anatomy looks when you are scrolling through CT images and how pathologies look - all you are looking for is abnormalities that are there - either a mass/calcification or fluid/abscess - again in vast majority of times it's either blood vessels or kidneys/lungs/heart. That's it. ideally a 4 week course can teach students most of what they will ever see in Hospital
But then again, I'm not a dean, just a MSII lol

 

[shadowlightfox]

Honestly, there are YouTube videos that taught me better than any lecturer ever did. Hell, I bet if you approached it the right way, you could use YouTube videos to teach an entire medical school curriculum pretty decently.

We had our anatomy professors and a DR resident put together a bunch of lectures for us. I think they were perfectly good.

Approach it the right way on youtube? There's already a way. It's called Najeeb! Although I don't think ALL his vids are up on youtube.

Lol not that I have time anyway. The school's curriculum is preventing me from learning ACTUAL medicine lol...

But the other issue is that it's not the fact that youtube videos are bad per se. It's more of the fact that we are paying a lot of money through our tuition in order to obtain a set of education, skills, and a professional degree, and one of the most important skills a physician needs is being taught through random youtube videos? I'm sorry but it's unprofessional and asinine. At that point, why even limit it to just images. Give every single lecture through youtube videos while they're at it.

Not even my EMT and scribe training programs went that route.