How I earned acceptances to 5 medical schools with a ~3.6cgpa and ~502 MCAT

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After a few recent conversations with family and friends, I took a step back and looked at this application cycle. By the title stats, I’m a very mediocre applicant to medical school, but a few standouts in my application and a wise school list made a lot of difference. I wanted to make this topic for 3 reasons:

1: to encourage folks in similar spots
2: to provide an anecdote that might help people pursue their dreams
3: to belay a LOT of false information and feelings that float around this website.

The information everyone wants to know is what 5 schools took me:

Rocky Vista SU campus:
-Wonderful looking school, with a fantastic staff. I would have been more than comfortable attending, as even though this school is new it is a branch campus of a school that I respect a lot. I know attending and resident physicians from the CO campus, and they are SHARP. The COA is high here, and the area is SUPER nice... but pricey.

NYITCOM-AR:
-Also a branch campus, but located on A-state’s campus. This helps with research connections. I liked the school overall and would have attended if it were my only acceptance. I had some red flags, including reservations about their telehealth initiatives. Very expensive for the area.

Des Moines University:
Fantastic in every regard. I would love to attend this school. The price is prohibitory, and they did have to pull me off of a waitlist. I loved all the students and faculty I spoke with. The campus is small but well-equipped for the majority of needs. The school is well integrated into the local community.

KCUMB:
Fantastic. I fell in love with this school. I liked the campus, faculty, and students I spoke to. I’ve worked with many grads from here, and it seems they get a stellar education.

State MD:
For privacy reasons I don’t want to identify, but let’s just say you’ve heard of this school’s football team. I was pulled off of their waitlist in a shocking turn of events. My stats put me firmly in the “lolz, don’t even bother applying” category. Glad I did.


Of these, I will be attending the state MD school. The largest reason is financial; RVU was much more than KCU, so I withdrew from RVU. KCU is much more than state school, so I will attend state school. I did not deposit DMU or NYITCOM as I had already earned acceptances to the schools I ranked higher on my personal list.

Now for the more important stuff, what I believed helped me:

1: I was accepted at every school I interviewed at.

5 II’s, 5 acceptances. I have no intention to sound arrogant (especially with a ~502 MCAT!), but the only conclusion that can be reached is that I interview well. Confidence without sounding cocky is key. Eye contact. And competence. For every question posed, I had a coherent, competent answer. That doesn’t mean making stuff up on the fly, but answering with integrity and an open mind.

Practice interviewing, practice adult conversation in a formal setting. It helps.

2: My nursing experience.

I’ve been in healthcare in a leadership role for a long time. My LORs (the ones I’ve been privy to) made me cry with honor. I will treasure them forever.

I have poured a lot of my life into proving my worth to a healthcare system, and the confidence my physician and faculty have in me is only due to them seeing how hard I am willing to work. I know a lot of people are going to roll their eyes at this... “Yeah, great for YOU, but I’m not a nurse! I don’t have the opportunity to impress!”

I believe anyone in any role can. If you work hard enough, have enough passion... people notice. I’m nursing, the focus of my drive and passion has been directed for me.

In a SMALL way, I’m sure being a nurse itself is some sort of a leg-up. I know how to talk to patients, and I have a unique perspective of clinical acute care. It doesn’t really mean I’d make a good doctor, though, and the admissions staffs knew this. Almost nobody asked about my hospital experience, they all wanted to know about my next line:

3: Standout ECs

My EC Work raised eyebrows. Instead of soup kitchen volunteering, I drove to the desert in Mexico and built a house with hand tools.

Instead of shadowing, I worked on special clinical projects in the hospital. (Never shadowed a physician in my life, technically.)

And finally... I’m a filmmaker who did some freelance work with a notable television show. This sounds WAY more major and cool than it actually is. I spent 3 days with my lips zipped and my camera rolling, signed away the rights to be credited, and will never be allowed to see my footage.

Literally every interviewer brought it up.

If that had been the end of it, it wouldn’t have helped me. However, I then pivoted the conversation into some videography work I’ve done in healthcare, and how the dissemination of health information is a passion that I plan to continue to foster in my career as a physician.

I know not everyone can be a filmmaker (I guarantee if you are you are better at it than I), but give them something interesting that will make you a standout. I even have a buddy who put down his experience as a DM on his app.

4: School list
Be realistic about your odds, and form a wise list. SDN has a couple posters who do a great job of helping you craft one. Of COURSE it helps to connections to a school, be it geographic or otherwise.

I want everyone reading this to know that I am not a guru or anything, just a lowly premed like you. I don’t intend to state my excellence or abilities, but I’ve come to terms with the fact that I’ve actually had a very successful cycle even though I blew tons of money on travel and deposits... at the end of the day I’m going to be a physician, and that is what I wanted.

I will update this topic as points occur to me, and I want anyone else who can add something beneficial to feel free.

I will answer and questions that you have that I feel comfortable answering, and feel free to PM me.

The past 6 months have been tumultuous for me. Emotional. Expensive. I’ve lost hair. But I want to express how happy I am and how truly blessed to live in a place where sheer determination is sometimes adequate to fulfill a small goal.

I’m just starting my medical school journey, but I already feel the imposter syndrome.

AMA
 
What's a "~502"?

Is it a 502? 504? 500?

I mean it as “roughly.” That means I’m leaving some abiguity to my statistics for my privacy.

I wanted to help anyone I could by making this topic, but NOT at the risk of my current career, or future. My privacy matters to me.
 
Congratulations! True inspiration for me sitting here with similar GPA and took the MCAT yesterday.

Curious how you formulated your list? Did you ask for public advice or use online tools? I am planning on applying DO and a couple of MDs, but like you've advised want to be realistic. I am from kind of remote Northeast and kind of need to apply OOS.
 
Congratulations! True inspiration for me sitting here with similar GPA and took the MCAT yesterday.

Curious how you formulated your list? Did you ask for public advice or use online tools? I am planning on applying DO and a couple of MDs, but like you've advised want to be realistic. I am from kind of remote Northeast and kind of need to apply OOS.

If you make a topic here, some wise posters like Goro and others will help.

In general, I’d say always apply to your state MDs and the best DOs you think you have a shot at. The rest can be a little hairy... and honestly, I had some high-level input (residency PDs etc) who told me to try for certain MD programs... none of those panned out for me.
 
Congrats on your acceptances! Your hard work has paid off, and it is very commendable how humble you are about it all.
 
Firstly, congrats!

Do you think there is a main difference between a successful AMCAS application vs a successful DO application, if any? I’m just curious since you had success with both and I’m not too well read with the DO app process.

Thank you!
 
Firstly, congrats!

Do you think is a main difference between a successful AMCAS application vs a successful DO application, if any. I’m just curious since you had success with both and I’m not too well read with the DO app process.

Thank you!

The question of “why DO” always comes up. For a couple interviews I told them frankly that I was simply after the best Med school I could get into, and the initials mattered very little to me.

Another big aspect is the DO letter. I am lucky enough to count myself a friend to a fantastic osteopathic physician. He truly is what I think of when I think of a solid DO. He uses OMM a little (has a table), but only when it makes sense. Has a fantastic bedside manner, but was a leader in his ACGME residency.

Those two were really the only thing I did different between AACOMAS and AAMCAS
 
I mean it as “roughly.” That means I’m leaving some abiguity to my statistics for my privacy.

I wanted to help anyone I could by making this topic, but NOT at the risk of my current career, or future. My privacy matters to me.
How would one determine your identity based on your MCAT score? I have given out all stats and have had no identity breaches. Not attacking, just conversing. Also, congrats on the acceptances.
 
How would one determine your identity based on your MCAT score? I have given out all stats and have had no identity breaches. Not attacking, just conversing. Also, congrats on the acceptances.

Because I can tell with a high degree of certainty that at least one of the schools on my list checks SDN, and since they have my file it wouldn’t take much work to find stat X plus stat Y with EC=RN and filmmaker for major production.

I may be being a tad overrprotective, but I’ve been on the internet since I was a child, and I’ve learned a lot.

If anyone feels like they would be benefitted from knowing my exact stats they can PM me.
 
Congratulations!! I've seen you posting on various school threads, and I'm glad you got an MD acceptance!

We actually have a similar background story and had kind of a similar cycle. I have a slightly higher MCAT/GPA, but also have nursing experience. I received 7 IIs, went on 6 of them, got into 5 DOs and am on 1 MD waitlist. The MD I'm waitlisted at is also a school where my MCAT was much below their median-- honestly, it's so important to apply realistically but also where you feel you can have a shot. No one knows your full app but you, and even if your stats are below a school's median, you can still get in if you think you are a good fit for the school.

Your post is important because people focus on the numbers too much on here, as well as the difference between MD/DO. I'm glad you got an MD acceptance but were happy with your DO ones as well! It would've been cool to meet you at KCU, but best of luck next year 🙂
 
Firstly, congrats!

Do you think there is a main difference between a successful AMCAS application vs a successful DO application, if any? I’m just curious since you had success with both and I’m not too well read with the DO app process.

Thank you!
State MD schools always favor the home team...I am assuming that OP got into his/her state school.
Congrats on the accepts OP!
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Now go read this:
Goro's Guide to Success in Medical School (2017 edition)
 
After a few recent conversations with family and friends, I took a step back and looked at this application cycle. By the title stats, I’m a very mediocre applicant to medical school, but a few standouts in my application and a wise school list made a lot of difference. I wanted to make this topic for 3 reasons:

1: to encourage folks in similar spots
2: to provide an anecdote that might help people pursue their dreams
3: to belay a LOT of false information and feelings that float around this website.

The information everyone wants to know is what 5 schools took me:

Rocky Vista SU campus:
-Wonderful looking school, with a fantastic staff. I would have been more than comfortable attending, as even though this school is new it is a branch campus of a school that I respect a lot. I know attending and resident physicians from the CO campus, and they are SHARP. The COA is high here, and the area is SUPER nice... but pricey.

NYITCOM-AR:
-Also a branch campus, but located on A-state’s campus. This helps with research connections. I liked the school overall and would have attended if it were my only acceptance. I had some red flags, including reservations about their telehealth initiatives. Very expensive for the area.

Des Moines University:
Fantastic in every regard. I would love to attend this school. The price is prohibitory, and they did have to pull me off of a waitlist. I loved all the students and faculty I spoke with. The campus is small but well-equipped for the majority of needs. The school is well integrated into the local community.

KCUMB:
Fantastic. I fell in love with this school. I liked the campus, faculty, and students I spoke to. I’ve worked with many grads from here, and it seems they get a stellar education.

State MD:
For privacy reasons I don’t want to identify, but let’s just say you’ve heard of this school’s football team. I was pulled off of their waitlist in a shocking turn of events. My stats put me firmly in the “lolz, don’t even bother applying” category. Glad I did.


Of these, I will be attending the state MD school. The largest reason is financial; RVU was much more than KCU, so I withdrew from RVU. KCU is much more than state school, so I will attend state school. I did not deposit DMU or NYITCOM as I had already earned acceptances to the schools I ranked higher on my personal list.

Now for the more important stuff, what I believed helped me:

1: I was accepted at every school I interviewed at.

5 II’s, 5 acceptances. I have no intention to sound arrogant (especially with a ~502 MCAT!), but the only conclusion that can be reached is that I interview well. Confidence without sounding cocky is key. Eye contact. And competence. For every question posed, I had a coherent, competent answer. That doesn’t mean making stuff up on the fly, but answering with integrity and an open mind.

Practice interviewing, practice adult conversation in a formal setting. It helps.

2: My nursing experience.

I’ve been in healthcare in a leadership role for a long time. My LORs (the ones I’ve been privy to) made me cry with honor. I will treasure them forever.

I have poured a lot of my life into proving my worth to a healthcare system, and the confidence my physician and faculty have in me is only due to them seeing how hard I am willing to work. I know a lot of people are going to roll their eyes at this... “Yeah, great for YOU, but I’m not a nurse! I don’t have the opportunity to impress!”

I believe anyone in any role can. If you work hard enough, have enough passion... people notice. I’m nursing, the focus of my drive and passion has been directed for me.

In a SMALL way, I’m sure being a nurse itself is some sort of a leg-up. I know how to talk to patients, and I have a unique perspective of clinical acute care. It doesn’t really mean I’d make a good doctor, though, and the admissions staffs knew this. Almost nobody asked about my hospital experience, they all wanted to know about my next line:

3: Standout ECs

My EC Work raised eyebrows. Instead of soup kitchen volunteering, I drove to the desert in Mexico and built a house with hand tools.

Instead of shadowing, I worked on special clinical projects in the hospital. (Never shadowed a physician in my life, technically.)

And finally... I’m a filmmaker who did some freelance work with a notable television show. This sounds WAY more major and cool than it actually is. I spent 3 days with my lips zipped and my camera rolling, signed away the rights to be credited, and will never be allowed to see my footage.

Literally every interviewer brought it up.

If that had been the end of it, it wouldn’t have helped me. However, I then pivoted the conversation into some videography work I’ve done in healthcare, and how the dissemination of health information is a passion that I plan to continue to foster in my career as a physician.

I know not everyone can be a filmmaker (I guarantee if you are you are better at it than I), but give them something interesting that will make you a standout. I even have a buddy who put down his experience as a DM on his app.

4: School list
Be realistic about your odds, and form a wise list. SDN has a couple posters who do a great job of helping you craft one. Of COURSE it helps to connections to a school, be it geographic or otherwise.

I want everyone reading this to know that I am not a guru or anything, just a lowly premed like you. I don’t intend to state my excellence or abilities, but I’ve come to terms with the fact that I’ve actually had a very successful cycle even though I blew tons of money on travel and deposits... at the end of the day I’m going to be a physician, and that is what I wanted.

I will update this topic as points occur to me, and I want anyone else who can add something beneficial to feel free.

I will answer and questions that you have that I feel comfortable answering, and feel free to PM me.

The past 6 months have been tumultuous for me. Emotional. Expensive. I’ve lost hair. But I want to express how happy I am and how truly blessed to live in a place where sheer determination is sometimes adequate to fulfill a small goal.

I’m just starting my medical school journey, but I already feel the imposter syndrome.

AMA
Congrats on the MD, don't ever go DO when you can go MD, not even for OMM now that that's under the ACGME umbrella.
 
Congrats on the MD, don't ever go DO when you can go MD, not even for OMM now that that's under the ACGME umbrella.

I’m interested in OMM, but apparently there are some Osteopathic opportunities for those who want to learn, even from the MD side. We’ll see what pans out; I may be spending all of my free time learning medical Spanish which would probably also be useful!
 
It occurred to me to add:

The most useful thing I found on SDN was help building a school list.

Having people know which schools to shoot for is very helpful, and I simply wasn’t familiar enough with OMS’s to know which were good. KCU and DMU blew me away, and I knew very little about DMU until I did some digging.
 
Congrats! You are a shinning example of, "Different is better than better."
 
Congrats, but I’m also confused by the ambiguity of your MCAT. You are an RN with a filmmaker background. I guarantee you that you will be the only applicant with that background and around a 502. They will know who you are regardless lol.

Anyway, glad it worked out for you. Congrats on all your success.
 
It occurred to me to add:

The most useful thing I found on SDN was help building a school list.

Having people know which schools to shoot for is very helpful, and I simply wasn’t familiar enough with OMS’s to know which were good. KCU and DMU blew me away, and I knew very little about DMU until I did some digging.
I agree, SDN helped me acquire a ton of insights so that my school list would present a possible match. I even predicted earlier on based on my applications which schools would consider me a potential fit from insights acquired here. I really agree with your post because a lot of applicants look to SDN for answers rather than information to use as a tool for navigating this process.
 
Thank you for sharing! You give some of us (pre-meds) hope, you are proof that we are more than just stats!
 
My sGPA was... I think roughly 3.5?

I filmed a documentary showing the life of a selection of premed gunners as they navigated the application process.

There were no survivors.
 
My sGPA was... I think roughly 3.5?

I filmed a documentary showing the life of a selection of premed gunners as they navigated the application process.

There were no survivors.
I would love to watch that
 
Thank you for sharing! And congrats on your many acceptances!
 
Small update: MCAT=/= course grades. Medical school has been tough so far, but not as bad as I was expecting, and my grades are going well. I’ve gotten a lot of PMs from people who don’t want to post but have questions, and that’s totally fine.
 
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