how important is RISE

[x1279]

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Hi I am new in this forum.

Can anybody tell me if your program allows residents to use that Quick-Screening-Recording software while taking the examination? Somebody found some residents take advantage of this software by takeing different subject during the first day test and then exchange and discuss questions recorded to prepare for 2nd day test. And because this behaviour seems already known by ASCP testing center, so some programs chose to ignore this. If that is the case, why not ASCP just post questions online for residents to do self study.

 

[yaah]

That doesn't sound appropriate to me. I think programs are getting more pressure to make sure that when residents take the exam it is done with no cheating (proctored sessions, even). There are all kinds of ways residents have cheated on the RISE. Most programs don't really use the grade for anything other than self assessment, so if you cheat you're only cheating yourself. But that apparently matters to a lot of people.

 

[x1279]

Does average score also matter to program? Because one of the program director even told proctor don't be too harsh on his residents when she yelled at somebody tend to cheating.

I wonder if ASCP can do something to at least block the using of quick screen recorder software. It apparently hurts residents in the same program who don't want to cheat when program director chose to ignore the cheating on one hand but on the other hand still use it for ranking resident somehow. Otherwise, you have to follow the trend in this kind of program to avoid being hurt. What else can you do.

 

[multiplemyeloma]

are RISE scores used for job/fellowship applications after residency?

 

[exPCM]

are RISE scores used for job/fellowship applications after residency?

No. I have never heard of RISE scores being on any job/fellowship applications.

I have heard of several residency programs using poor RISE exam scores in their justification for terminating or not renewing residents.

 

[Bombesin77]

No. I have never heard of RISE scores being on any job/fellowship applications.

I have heard of several residency programs using poor RISE exam scores in their justification for terminating or not renewing residents.

Yep, my program has recently started to do this, and its a proctored exam. I believe the program is responding to ACGME concerns over low RISE scores for our program. But to reiterate what has been stated, many programs dont administer the exam with the same standards. In short, it will probably be good for future classes, but for those of us in midstream...there needs to be some common sense applied. Our past residents have done poorly on the RISE and yet have still completed fellowships, passed their boards, and found good jobs. So is the threat of being terminated over a RISE exam helping us??

 

[yaah]

I think it is more than a little inappropriate to use RISE scores for significant action on the part of programs when the administration of the exam is so disparate across the country. Many programs likely just have the residents take it anytime, which could mean open book or internet access. That skews the curve.

 

[lipomas]

Do program directors ever release RISE scores to anyone outside their own department? Can they do that?

 

[yaah]

Do program directors ever release RISE scores to anyone outside their own department? Can they do that?

I don't know. Our program used the RISE as a self assessment. It had no bearing outside of the department.

 

[sohsie]

I found that the RISE in the third year was good for waking me up to the fact that I had a lot of studying to do to be boards ready. Conversely, the RISE in the fourth year gave me confidence that I would pass the boards.

In my program, I dont remember anyone ever having a meeting relating to their RISE score.

 

[pathres2]

i know for a fact that some fellowships have started to request and look at RISE scores when evaluating applicants. they look at them together with the Step scores as a (semi) objective way to screen which applicants to interview. i don't think a stellar candidate would not get an interview due to poor rise scores or that a mediocre one would due to exceptional scores, but they are used to get the whole picture. for example scores dropping year-over-year is viewed in a negative light.

my advice: don't pooh-pooh the RISE exam because you never know how it is going to be looked at in the future.

 

[2121115]

i know for a fact that some fellowships have started to request and look at RISE scores when evaluating applicants. they look at them together with the Step scores as a (semi) objective way to screen which applicants to interview.

😕How would a fellowship director ever have access to a resident's RISE scores?

If this is true then wow. Just wow.

 

[Cloaca]

i know for a fact that some fellowships have started to request and look at RISE scores when evaluating applicants. they look at them together with the Step scores as a (semi) objective way to screen which applicants to interview. i don't think a stellar candidate would not get an interview due to poor rise scores or that a mediocre one would due to exceptional scores, but they are used to get the whole picture. for example scores dropping year-over-year is viewed in a negative light.

my advice: don't pooh-pooh the RISE exam because you never know how it is going to be looked at in the future.

What?? That's just plain crazy. That test isn't administered in any kind of standardized way so how ridiculous would it be to use your score as a basis of comparison with other candidates? Really really ridiculous!

 

[mcfaddens]

What?? That's just plain crazy. That test isn't administered in any kind of standardized way so how ridiculous would it be to use your score as a basis of comparison with other candidates? Really really ridiculous!

Come on dude! Really? Don't you know that the RISE is by far the best indicator of your performance on the boards and overall competency as a pathologist and human life form.
It also will judge how intelligent you are and if you are an acceptable parent to your children.

And if you do poorly on the RISE the ASCP and ABP (because they are in bed together) will ruin your credit score and sterilize you!

This is serious stuff!! Why else would Pathology residents (the authority on what is really important in life) be so worried about it.

 

[x1279]

Still the same question. How would you survive this kind of program when you were somehow ranked by RISE score, but can't even request for a fare competition since the average score affects the image of the program, which program director wouldn't like to see?

 

[2121115]

Still the same question. How would you survive this kind of program when you were somehow ranked by RISE score, but can't even request for a fare competition since the average score affects the image of the program, which program director wouldn't like to see?

Does the average score affect the image of the program? I didn't know the scores were passed around among program directors.

 

[x1279]

I believe the program is responding to ACGME concerns over low RISE scores for our program. ?

Does this mean ACGME will also check RISE score when they evaluate your program?