How Important that a Pub has to be PubMed Indexed?

[Chicken Bone]

Heard this yesterday from a friend that physicians/ PDs only care about pubmed indexed publications. I have a few publications that are not indexed in PubMed. But these journals are not predatory because 1. I didn't pay, 2. there is a peer-review process, 3. they are indexed in other major databases even like the science citation index under WOS (the one that publishes impact factors which many PubMed journals can't even make it there). So my question is if this is true that when we apply to residency they only consider pubmed indexed pubs as a real thing?

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[BoneWizard]

Sorry, are you saying the paper isn't indexed in pubmed or the journal it was published in isn't?

 

[Chicken Bone]

Sorry, are you saying the paper isn't indexed in pubmed or the journal it was published in isn't?

papers weren't indexed. some journals/publishers have selective papers send to pubmed it is not my case. mine can't be found on pubmed, but the journal are Web of science indexed SCI collection (the one publish journal citation report that includes impact factor we usually talk about)

for example, the very popular journal Cureus is pubmed indexed but its quality is not good enough for being indexed by SCI under WOS instead is under ESCI so it doesn't even have an impact factor. I was surprised because apparently the quality of pubmed indexed journal is lower than web of science indexed but my friend told me people care about pubmed not the other

 

[Lawpy]

Just list them. People are listing school posters as a research "pub". A non pubmed paper is worth listing

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

List it, but it isn’t the same as a pubmed indexed publication and won’t be viewed that way.

 

[Chicken Bone]

List it, but it isn’t the same as a pubmed indexed publication and won’t be viewed that way.

even it has an OK impact factor? which means a PubMed journal with no IF is considered better than the one that has but not indexed in pubmed?

 

[GoSpursGo]

But these journals are not predatory because 1. I didn't pay, 2. there is a peer-review process, 3. they are indexed in other major databases even like the science citation index under WOS (the one that publishes impact factors which many PubMed journals can't even make it there).

Just to clarify--a journal can meet these criteria and have an IF, and still be predatory.

Ultimately, there is nothing to do--you should still list them. Some number of PDs will look at the ones that aren't in PubMed as less "legit," but it's still not "bad."

 

[Chicken Bone]

Just to clarify--a journal can meet these criteria and have an IF, and still be predatory.

Ultimately, there is nothing to do--you should still list them. Some number of PDs will look at the ones that aren't in PubMed as less "legit," but it's still not "bad."

Ok thanks, just got confused because I used to hear from these PhDs say how much web of science has more strict criteria than PubMed, but i guess it is a different story in the clinical world

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

even it has an OK impact factor? which means a PubMed journal with no IF is considered better than the one that has but not indexed in pubmed?

Yes.

 

[Lawpy]

Ok thanks, just got confused because I used to hear from these PhDs say how much web of science has more strict criteria than PubMed, but i guess it is a different story in the clinical world

I heard the opposite because everyone i know is focused on pubmed only but that's ok. You can still list them.

 

[Frogger27]

I have 2 non-pubmed indexed papers. Just list them. If they "count for less", that's out of your control. Not every non-pubmed indexed journal is predatory.

**But you should still go out of your way to get it on pubmed. Both of these papers were accidentally submitted to non-pubmed journals lmao.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

Our journal JAOA has been pursuing an impact factor for years with no success.

That is because the JAOA is an absolute joke of a journal.

 

[Lawpy]

That is because the JAOA is an absolute joke of a journal.

is that the DO version of JAMA?

 

[GoSpursGo]

This is not true just search what predatory journal means.

I'm not sure which part of my post you're disagreeing with? But just having an impact factor absolutely doesn't mean a journal can't also be predatory. And a journal can be non-predatory... but still be non-impactful.

 

[Chicken Bone]

I have 2 non-pubmed indexed papers. Just list them. If they "count for less", that's out of your control. Not every non-pubmed indexed journal is predatory.

**But you should still go out of your way to get it on pubmed. Both of these papers were accidentally submitted to non-pubmed journals lmao.

This is not true just search what predatory journal means. A journal with an official impact factor published by journal citation report (not some self-calculated impact factor) is selected from the most qualified journals in each subjects. Our journal JAOA has been pursuing an impact factor for years with no success. This is explicitly stated by its editor. I suppose OP may have publication in engineering fields or whatever that are not biomedicine related this is why it is not pubmed indexed because they use different databases. Pubmed only includes medicine related topic. I am only a med student but I would guess residency focuses more on medicine related topic this is why pubmed is more important in this case

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That is because the JAOA is an absolute joke of a journal.

oh hahah isn't JAOA on pubmed too? btw I like your humor. I think some of my past pubs are more fitness and exercise science-related that may be a reason why it can't be found on PubMed. I also found another problem lately when I use my name to search my past pubs on pubmed, they have different spells of my name ev, upper case lower case so I have to type in the article names to find me instead of using my name to find these articles

 

[Chicken Bone]

I'm not sure which part of my post you're disagreeing with? But just having an impact factor absolutely doesn't mean a journal can't also be predatory. And a journal can be non-predatory... but still be non-impactful.

I think he means predatory is those fake journal that only wants money according to googel search reuslts predatory journals can't have impact factor, i think you are trying to say journals with low quality but with an impact factor which is not as same as predaotry IMO this is what i found, iremeber there is a webiste lists all predatory jouranls stuff like that

but either way i got the idea that residency may care more medicine related topic because i have these papers published related to fitness and exercise science, the journals are noe bad one is a subjournal under American Colleg of Sports medicine that more focuses on physical activity promotion. i think it is like when a noble economic prize laureate published paper in top economic journal, it is not relevant to medicine and that is why it not on pubmed

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

is that the DO version of JAMA?

I wouldn’t even say that. It’s a journal of the AOA built on the false premise that all of OMM are worthwhile modalities and largely only publishes papers that have findings to that effect.

 

[Chicken Bone]

I wouldn’t even say that. It’s a journal of the AOA built on the false premise that all of OMM are worthwhile modalities and largely only publishes papers that have findings to that effect.

i saw one paper about using omm to treat covid-19 in jaoa, i read there is another journal called international osteopathic sort of stuff which only focused on rehabilitation which is not that bad imo

 

[GoSpursGo]

I think he means predatory is those fake journal that only wants money according to googel search reuslts predatory journals can't have impact factor, i think you are trying to say journals with low quality but with an impact factor which is not as same as predaotry IMO this is what i found, iremeber there is a webiste lists all predatory jouranls stuff like that

but either way i got the idea that residency may care more medicine related topic because i have these papers published related to fitness and exercise science, the journals are noe bad one is a subjournal under American Colleg of Sports medicine that more focuses on physical activity promotion. i think it is like when a noble economic prize laureate published paper in top economic journal, it is not relevant to medicine and that is why it not on pubmed
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So part of the problem is that there is no agreed-upon definition of what a "predatory journal" is, but this article from Nature in 2019 has as good a definition as any: Predatory journals: no definition, no defence

Predatory journals and publishers are entities that prioritize self-interest at the expense of scholarship and are characterized by false or misleading information, deviation from best editorial and publication practices, a lack of transparency, and/or the use of aggressive and indiscriminate solicitation practices.

Nowhere in that definition is an "impact factor," but I can tell you I probably get an email at least once a week from some obscure journal soliciting a paper from me that somehow has a listed impact factor. Based on the definition above, that can still be a predatory journal, and I would say most in academia view those journals as such.

Again, at the end of the day this doesn't impact you at all--you should still list any and all publications you have and let the PD figure out how much weight to give them.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

Nowhere in that definition is an "impact factor," but I can tell you I probably get an email at least once a week from some obscure journal soliciting a paper from me that somehow has a listed impact factor. Based on the definition above, that can still be a predatory journal, and I would say most in academia view those journals as such.

Same. I get multiple a day and it’s very irritating (made the rookie mistake of listing my actual email on one of my papers).

 

[Chicken Bone]

So part of the problem is that there is no agreed-upon definition of what a "predatory journal" is, but this article from Nature in 2019 has as good a definition as any: Predatory journals: no definition, no defence



Nowhere in that definition is an "impact factor," but I can tell you I probably get an email at least once a week from some obscure journal soliciting a paper from me that somehow has a listed impact factor. Based on the definition above, that can still be a predatory journal, and I would say most in academia view those journals as such.

Again, at the end of the day this doesn't impact you at all--you should still list any and all publications you have and let the PD figure out how much weight to give them.

Same. I get multiple a day and it’s very irritating (made the rookie mistake of listing my actual email on one of my papers).

yeah i got you. but for those obscure journal I have got a few emails from them too. those are fake impact factor, the only impact factors we are talking about is this this why i said web of science above. for AantomyGrey what do you mean putting actual emails on your papers? you put fake emails when you are the coresspnoding how can that work?

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

yeah i got you. but for those obscure journal I have got a few emails from them too. those are fake impact factor, the only impact factors we are talking about is this this why i said web of science above. for AantomyGrey what do you mean putting actual emails on your papers? you put fake emails when you are the coresspnoding how can that work?
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I should have put a departmental email is what I mean. That’s what all my peers have done.

 

[Goro]

So part of the problem is that there is no agreed-upon definition of what a "predatory journal" is, but this article from Nature in 2019 has as good a definition as any: Predatory journals: no definition, no defence



Nowhere in that definition is an "impact factor," but I can tell you I probably get an email at least once a week from some obscure journal soliciting a paper from me that somehow has a listed impact factor. Based on the definition above, that can still be a predatory journal, and I would say most in academia view those journals as such.

Again, at the end of the day this doesn't impact you at all--you should still list any and all publications you have and let the PD figure out how much weight to give them.

Just once a week? Damn Spurs, you're slipping! I get that damn solicitations close to every day!

While all non-Pubmed journals are not predatory, all predatory journals are not in Pubmed.

If I see a pub on an app that's not in Pubmed, my default is that it's predatory. But I always check with our Librarians to find out if that's the case.

 

[AlteredScale]

Heard this yesterday from a friend that physicians/ PDs only care about pubmed indexed publications. I have a few publications that are not indexed in PubMed. But these journals are not predatory because 1. I didn't pay, 2. there is a peer-review process, 3. they are indexed in other major databases even like the science citation index under WOS (the one that publishes impact factors which many PubMed journals can't even make it there). So my question is if this is true that when we apply to residency they only consider pubmed indexed pubs as a real thing?

Who knows. Each PD and faculty reviewing your app will have a different opinion on it. Since most know pubmed, then perhaps youll get a few questions as to why the journal you are published isn't indexed in pubmed (since you state they are the same and perhaps better than other journals pubmed indexed without an IF) but highly doubt that will even happen. But since we are on the topic, why is the journal you listed not pubmed indexed and what is the actual journal name?

but you not listing it is probably worse than just listing it so just do it and see what happens.

 

[GoSpursGo]

Just once a week? Damn Spurs, you're slipping! I get that damn solicitations close to every day!

Get after my PI to turn around our revisions on my main fellowship paper, I suspect I'll see an uptick 🙂