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PurpleLove said:
I know I had terrible skills and they haven't improved much. But I did take community college classes in high school and I should have known better and went there/to a full ride school. Oh well, I'll work harder next quarter.
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Besides your avatar being nice to look at, this has all been incredibly painful to watch. I would suggest spending the rest of your break learning about various study skills and then utilizing them.
 
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PurpleLove said:
We work so hard to get into top schools so we can be beat by those who don't do ****? Lol, that's not unfair that's absurd.
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How do we know you didn't go to an easy high school to get into that top undergrad? If you went to my high school, you'd probably be struggling to get into a state school from its grade deflationary policies. Deal with it. Life isn't fair.
 
I think we've all had this rant ourselves, this is why everyone is pulling your leg at this issue (or atleast the ones who went to top schools that is). It is a huge wake up call to see what your dream school could actually translate into. Med school is a gamble and if you are willing to take an easy major for the sake and determination of getting into med school straight after graduation, then kudos to you. However, people like me took harder majors for the sake of having a job at the end of the day and even though my gpa is downhill at the point, I still look up at the sky and smile like I never did before because there is nothing more important than my on health and happiness. If you are not happy right now in trying to get admitted to med school, then think about what will happen when you get into med school and start thinking abt residency. Would you still complain that the students in the Caribbean are getting it easier than you and hence will match into higher residency posts because their class might not be comprised of the brightest?

Don't sulk, if you believe in yourself, you will get into med school. Strap on your study tools and study like you never did before; just remember that we are all there with you! I know as a fact that everyone's day should come where they feel like they know everything and are happy with the choices they made
 
Aerus said:
How do we know you didn't go to an easy high school to get into that top undergrad? If you went to my high school, you'd probably be struggling to get into a state school from its grade deflationary policies. Deal with it. Life isn't fair.
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Uhm I went to a top high school in Chicago, you applied to get in. Might not be UChicago, but it wasn't as easy as say, neighborhood schools.
 
PurpleLove said:
And you think I don't have ADD?
I had to work until 3AM in high school even though the material was like 10x easier.
However ADD + Uchicago = 3.2
ADD + other schools I could have gone to = 4.0
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What happened to staying anonymous?
 
PurpleLove said:
Uhm I went to a top high school in Chicago, you applied to get in. Might not be UChicago, but it wasn't as easy as say, neighborhood schools.
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You are going to give a bad name to your high school. I have lost a bit of respect for UC for accepting someone like you... :/ so much whining, arrogance, ignorance, stubbornness, and attitude (not in the good way)
 
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@PurpleLove , you learned how to use the reply function!!! Also, I know you're just trolling us. This is just an experiment right? 😉
 
MCAT. Seriously. I had some friends getting 4.0's without studying much at their undergrads, and, when they took the MCAT, they realized how little their school's classes had taught. That's where you find the 4.0/21 combos. A 3.3/34 is going to look a lot better on an application.
 
moisne said:
You are going to give a bad name to your high school. I have lost a bit of respect for UC for accepting someone like you... :/ so much whining, arrogance, ignorance, stubbornness, and attitude (not in the good way)
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Edit: Holy crap sorry for necrobumping this ...go on about your business everyone nothing to see here.
 
Lil Mick said:
MCAT. Seriously. I had some friends getting 4.0's without studying much at their undergrads, and, when they took the MCAT, they realized how little their school's classes had taught. That's where you find the 4.0/21 combos. A 3.3/34 is going to look a lot better on an application.
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I think I'll take that 4.0 with an MCAT retake
 
Theafoni said:
I think I'll take that 4.0 with an MCAT retake
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Assuming that the person with a 21 can improve their score significantly enough for admission. At schools in which one doesn't learn the material over which it tests, improving an MCAT score by a good 9 points is no small feat (and I say this knowing several friends who went to schools like that and struggled to get in anywhere after multiple retakes and 3.9-4.0's).
 
PurpleLove said:
Can someone please explain to me how this is fair:

I, and many premeds, find it difficult to get good grades in classes. Whatever, challenge accepted.

But what about schools that make it ridiculously easy to get As. Isn't this setting the person up for failure?
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oh, it's THIS wonderful thread again.

Lil Mick said:
Assuming that the person with a 21 can improve their score significantly enough for admission. At schools in which one doesn't learn the material over which it tests, improving an MCAT score by a good 9 points is no small feat (and I say this knowing several friends who went to schools like that and struggled to get in anywhere after multiple retakes and 3.9-4.0's).
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I think this is missing the point. While the test scores of the student tend to correlate well with the selectivity of the school, a student's ceiling on the MCAT is more about the individual's personal abilities rather than what's being taught in the classroom. Certain schools may test easier but with subject like O'Chem, you either know either master the basic concepts or you don't. The basic concepts can be mastered just from reading the damn text book + a lot of repetitive practice. You'll see a lot more 19s at "Directional State U," but that doesn't mean you don't also see 33-36s, closer to the end of the bell curve.
 
OP already admitted that his study skills in high school were bad and they haven't improved much in college. That about does it.
 
Lamel said:
OP already admitted that his study skills in high school were bad and they haven't improved much in college. That about does it.
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If I did, then by no means did I mean it. They have improved and I do better than lots of intelligent people who would get 4.0s at many neighbor institutions.
 
PurpleLove said:
If I did, then by no means did I mean it. They have improved and I do better than lots of intelligent people who would get 4.0s at many neighbor institutions.
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Your perspective is heavily skewed by your "friends" who attend super lowly ranked, badly funded state schools. You need to trust us when we say that there are A LOT of intelligent people out there who do not go to prestigious schools. You were a great high school student, but that does NOT ever mean you are one of the smartest out there. There are many people who aren't even close enough to their "peak" in high school to fare well in undergraduate admissions. That is plain to see that, even in med school, it's not the Ivy Leaguers who do the best on exams, but just in general, the people who put in the most time.

You also need to recognize that U Chicago isn't the toughest school out there. While you may be smarter than that person at the neighboring school who has 4.0, you might not be smarter than the person with a 3.9 or 3.8 at that same school. You just haven't met many of these people yet, so you have a very skewed view. Yes, the people with 3.8+ at top institutions are incredibly intelligent, one of the brightest out there. But that rule does not apply to people who don't do as well at those institutions, since SAT and high school GPA are very very poor indicators of academic power, even worse than college GPA.
 
Aerus said:
Your perspective is heavily skewed by your "friends" who attend super lowly ranked, badly funded state schools. You need to trust us when we say that there are A LOT of intelligent people out there who do not go to prestigious schools. You were a great high school student, but that does NOT ever mean you are one of the smartest out there. There are many people who aren't even close enough to their "peak" in high school to fare well in undergraduate admissions. That is plain to see that, even in med school, it's not the Ivy Leaguers who do the best on exams, but just in general, the people who put in the most time.

You also need to recognize that U Chicago isn't the toughest school out there. While you may be smarter than that person at the neighboring school who has 4.0, you might not be smarter than the person with a 3.9 or 3.8 at that same school. You just haven't met many of these people yet, so you have a very skewed view. Yes, the people with 3.8+ at top institutions are incredibly intelligent, one of the brightest out there. But that rule does not apply to people who don't do as well at those institutions, since SAT and high school GPA are very very poor indicators of academic power, even worse than college GPA.
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100% agree with everyone you have said. However, UChicago may just be the toughest US school out there.
 
orangeman25 said:
100% agree with everyone you have said. However, UChicago may just be the toughest US school out there.
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I'd argue that MIT, Princeton, and Caltech are much tougher than U Chicago. Even after that, there are schools out there like Harvey Mudd, that are still ahead of U Chicago in terms of grade deflation. Yes, there's no doubt that it's a tough school, but OP is making it sound like U Chicago is the hardest school out there and even the worst student there trumps the top students at other schools.
 
Aerus said:
I'd argue that MIT, Princeton, and Caltech are much tougher than U Chicago. Even after that, there are schools out there like Harvey Mudd, that are still ahead of U Chicago in terms of grade deflation. Yes, there's no doubt that it's a tough school, but OP is making it sound like U Chicago is the hardest school out there and even the worst student there trumps the top students at other schools.
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Yeah OPs claims are a little far fetched. You could find students in every niche and corner of the USA that can out perform at least some of the students at UChicago.

But fair point, UChicago is still up there among the "toughest" schools
 
PurpleLove said:
I know I had terrible skills and they haven't improved much. But I did take community college classes in high school and I should have known better and went there/to a full ride school. Oh well, I'll work harder next quarter.
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PurpleLove said:
And you think I don't have ADD?
I had to work until 3AM in high school even though the material was like 10x easier.
However ADD + Uchicago = 3.2
ADD + other schools I could have gone to = 4.0
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:smack:
 
PurpleLove said:
If I did, then by no means did I mean it. They have improved and I do better than lots of intelligent people who would get 4.0s at many neighbor institutions.
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Well you said this...

I know I had terrible skills and they haven't improved much. But I did take community college classes in high school and I should have known better and went there/to a full ride school. Oh well, I'll work harder next quarter.
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so yeah...
 
Lil Mick said:
Assuming that the person with a 21 can improve their score significantly enough for admission. At schools in which one doesn't learn the material over which it tests, improving an MCAT score by a good 9 points is no small feat (and I say this knowing several friends who went to schools like that and struggled to get in anywhere after multiple retakes and 3.9-4.0's).
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I find it hard to believe someone with a 4.0 must relearn all the material over again, weeder courses are no joke, so there must have been someway the did well the first time around.
 
In addition, I don't understand why you'd go to an Ivy League school if you know your GPA would suffer due to grade deflation. Might as well go to your state school and get that 4.0, in addition to having time for other ec's that make you stand out, instead of being in your books your entire 4 years, graduating with a low GPA, and ec's are boring or even nonexistant.
 
The fact that the OP as well as many of the other posters claiming they go to these top colleges aren't posting anything about their social lives is telling. I don't mean that as an insult, but as a sign that they aren't managing their mental health with a fair work/life balance. It's not good when SDN posters have to tell people to do simple things like go to the gym.
 
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