How many don't make it to graduation?

[pinkyrx]

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Just curious... how many people that started out as P1's won't make it to graduation? Is it common at your school to lose people over the years for bad grades or other personal life events/emergencies?

 

[museabuse]

We started out with 130.
Lost 2 to family reasons(had baby, sick mother).
Lost 2 for other reasons not grade related(i think).
Gained 4 or 5 from previous classes.
So we have more now than we started.
Although this quarter just ending was the hardest so far... so not sure if everyone will be back but I think so.

 

[aaron31981]

We started out with 130.
Lost 2 to family reasons(had baby, sick mother).
Lost 2 for other reasons not grade related(i think).
Gained 4 or 5 from previous classes.
So we have more now than we started.
Although this quarter just ending was the hardest so far... so not sure if everyone will be back but I think so.

One of the 2 was due to cheating. She failed at least one class before that too. She has also been telling people she is starting with the new class this fall. The other was due to a "business opportunity." But lets just say that he didn't have a 4.0.

The people I know that were failing IS2 ended up passing. Not by much, but they still passed.

One more final to go!
Are you going to Jillians?

 

[pharmaz88]

One more final to go!
Are you going to Jillians?

He has to, so I can kick his @$$ at air-hockey.

 

[dgroulx]

My class started with 58 and we lost 10 of those. Some may be in the class behind me now, or maybe they are gone. All of these are due to grades. Either they received one F or accumulated 4 D's during the past two years. If you make 4 D's, you have to repeat every class in which you received a D. If you make one more D during your time in school, you are kicked out of the program.

Our class is actually bigger now than when we started. We have students that are repeating classes that were in a class ahead of me. We also have some transfers in from the Gainesville campus.

 

[Caverject]

We started with 70 and we are down to 58. The number may go down even further before we graduate.

 

[ravuu]

About 1/3 of us will drop out by the time they finish p1 and a few more before graduation.

 

[aubieRx]

i dropped out already! mainly because i realized that I have a lot of assets up in my grey matter that will aid me in wahtever happens.

enuff is enuff. im a statistic.

i think i made the right choice for me though. having trouble coping with how much time i spent on getting into pharmacy school ..its really bringing me down into the very depths of despair that i coulda been all across campus like a wild child this year instead of studying that extra mile (been workin on it since this december not to mention needlessly getting4.0 gpa for many semesters)

 

[ultracet]

We started out at 126 (largest class ever)
the first year we lost:
3 to classes
1 to dropping out in the middled of the 1st semester
1 took a year to spend with mother

the second year we lost:
11 to pharmacology 1
1 to OTC 2
2 to ID 2
2 to pharmacology 2

we gained 2 from the class before us....

the third year we lost:
6 to therapeutics 1

and picked up 2 more....

now......
this is not common with any other class in the school.
it is just my class
we had some issues going on at the time that all of it hit the fan.

on rotations we have had:
3 people i know of fail a rotation already
1 b/c she had to have her gallbladder out (so not an F but she has to retake it)

i'll be interested to see how it turns out in May... and then how many people fail the NAPLEX out of my class....
(only 1 failed from class of 05)

 

[rxforlife2004]

First year entering: 128
2nd year: 124.

And I happen to see 2 dropped out students coming back as P-1 status.

 

[riskhk]

First year entering: 128
2nd year: 124.

And I happen to see 2 dropped out students coming back as P-1 status.

Lost 23 last semester. 15% didnt make it to rotations since the beginning.

 

[TotalKayOs]

we started our 4th year with about 220. before 6th year rotations started we had about 170ish.

 

[pharmacy_books]

Wow!!!! 23 People Failed At Uop???

 

[nimette]

how about fl schools???

nsu???

pba???

any drops...

 

[pharm120]

Wow!!!! 23 People Failed At Uop???

Yes I can confirm that something like this happened. We had a really bad professor. In fact, let me give you the uncurved test averages that I got from someone I know.

Midterm - 59% (counts about 25% of grade)
Test - 50% (counts about 25% of grade)
Final - 59% (counts about 35% of grade)

These are the averages BEFORE he curved and put them up on Blackboard.

After the curves they all come out to around 60-65% which is still failing.

Now let me show you the grading scale for the class according to the syllabus.

90-100 A
80-90 B
70-80 C
65-70 D
<65 F


Anyone see anything wrong with this? Yes he did curve, but basically he failed as many students as he could get away with.

In other words, if you have a choice, I would seriously stay away from UoP if they're going to let this garbage go on. If you have the choice to go to UCSF, or USC or any other reputable school that you know doesn't do stuff like this, do it and don't look back.

There are a lot of angry people from our class of 2006. There was another class that had a problem as well, but I can't really justify why people expected to pass that class when it was known from the start that you needed a 60 on the final to pass. And the class avg on that test was 76%. But even still, the school made NO effort to have a decent final exam schedule. They put 2 hard classes back to back Thur/Fri, then had a hard test Monday then a break tuesday and a very relaxed 2 unit final on Wednesday.

Basically the school did its best to hold people back and they succeeded. Now these people are kicked out for a year. BTW yes I'm bitter. I won't be seeing many of my good friends at graduation because they didn't make it. Basically 1 in every 9 students failed last semester. So if you knew 9 people, odds are 1 didn't make it. And many of these students were smart too. All it took was 1 bad test or 1 class with exams that basically no one could ever in their right mind do (half the class gets 49% or lower on it) to screw people's lives over.

 

[pharmacy_books]

Yes I can confirm that something like this happened. We had a really bad professor. In fact, let me give you the uncurved test averages that I got from someone I know.

Midterm - 59% (counts about 25% of grade)
Test - 50% (counts about 25% of grade)
Final - 59% (counts about 35% of grade)

These are the averages BEFORE he curved and put them up on Blackboard.

After the curves they all come out to around 60-65% which is still failing.

Now let me show you the grading scale for the class according to the syllabus.

90-100 A
80-90 B
70-80 C
65-70 D
<65 F


Anyone see anything wrong with this? Yes he did curve, but basically he failed as many students as he could get away with.

In other words, if you have a choice, I would seriously stay away from UoP if they're going to let this garbage go on. If you have the choice to go to UCSF, or USC or any other reputable school that you know doesn't do stuff like this, do it and don't look back.

There are a lot of angry people from our class of 2006. There was another class that had a problem as well, but I can't really justify why people expected to pass that class when it was known from the start that you needed a 60 on the final to pass. And the class avg on that test was 76%. But even still, the school made NO effort to have a decent final exam schedule. They put 2 hard classes back to back Thur/Fri, then had a hard test Monday then a break tuesday and a very relaxed 2 unit final on Wednesday.

Basically the school did its best to hold people back and they succeeded. Now these people are kicked out for a year. BTW yes I'm bitter. I won't be seeing many of my good friends at graduation because they didn't make it. Basically 1 in every 9 students failed last semester. So if you knew 9 people, odds are 1 didn't make it. And many of these students were smart too. All it took was 1 bad test or 1 class with exams that basically no one could ever in their right mind do (half the class gets 49% or lower on it) to screw people's lives over.

Maybe UOP is just failing the students because they want more tuition money??? They want all that is worth from the students before the upcoming pharmacists surplus (so many schools are opening up) and therefore the decreased enrollments in pharmacy school???

I know that I won't be applying to UOP!!!

 

[pharm120]

Maybe UOP is just failing the students because they want more tuition money??? They want all that is worth from the students before the upcoming pharmacists surplus (so many schools are opening up) and therefore the decreased enrollments in pharmacy school???

I know that I won't be applying to UOP!!!

I don't know, it's strange because almost all other semesters hardly failed anyone. (if 15% of the class didn't make it, I guess that means about 35 failed total, so 23 failed 6th semester and 12 failed the other 5 semesters combined)

But I did hear from a faculty member that a *new* class they put in for 3rd semester failed at least 10 people in the class of 2007. So they do seem to be increasing the amount of fails.

I think it basically comes down to 2 really evil professors. But it's sad that the administration did not step in and do something. It will be a real shame if these 2 professors are brought back next year as well, and as far as I know, one of them is teaching part of a class this year to 1st year students. So I don't think he's going anywhere (the one with the terrible class avgs)

I would apply to UoP just to keep all your options open, but I'm just saying if you have a choice and are accepted somewhere else, think about it a while and find out the reputation of the other schools.

 

[jboogie]

One of the 2 was due to cheating. She failed at least one class before that too. She has also been telling people she is starting with the new class this fall. The other was due to a "business opportunity." But lets just say that he didn't have a 4.0.

The people I know that were failing IS2 ended up passing. Not by much, but they still passed.

One more final to go!
Are you going to Jillians?

What's going on at Jillian's?

 

[groo1515]

No one was kicked out of our class this past year. My university works really hard to help the students succeed. You really have to want to fail to get booted. We are also able to vote as a class to change the testing schedule. Our class utilizes this option quite often. We had a professor who was a horrible teacher. After the students gave their student evaluation, the teacher no longer teaches the course. It feels nice to be loved!

 

[WorcesterPHOBoy]

Anyone from Worcester campus - BOSTON here? any failing?

 

[pharm120]

No one was kicked out of our class this past year. My university works really hard to help the students succeed. You really have to want to fail to get booted. We are also able to vote as a class to change the testing schedule. Our class utilizes this option quite often. We had a professor who was a horrible teacher. After the students gave their student evaluation, the teacher no longer teaches the course. It feels nice to be loved!

Yes please tell us what school you go to! These are the schools that you need to try and find.

 

[kellia]

Anyone from Worcester campus - BOSTON here? any failing?

Again, MCPHS has three campuses... Worcester, Manchester, and Boston. Which one are you asking about?

 

[WorcesterPHOBoy]

Again, MCPHS has three campuses... Worcester, Manchester, and Boston. Which one are you asking about?

Worcester Kellia, thanks!

 

[groo1515]

U of Arizona...we are just one big happy family here.

 

[marx]

Anyone from Worcester campus - BOSTON here? any failing?

i give a thumbs down on mcphs.. 👎 .i actually know a few people in the area that go to mcphs in boston and they all discouraged myself and others i know from even applying to mcphs, only 70% pass boards at boston campus, but i also know that the worchester and new hampshire is even worse, about 25% don't graduate or drop out b/c of stress level, it's accelerated, meaning you finish in three years instead of four. my recommendation is you have to be veryyy weary of schools who accept so many students (mcphs at both campuses); it is for safety reasons. they take your money -probably about 35-45 k per year, and aren't too concerned with students who have difficulty, which is more than half of the class. I heard their motto at mcphs was "youre on your own". i don't recommend it according to # of statistics who drop out, dismissed or stay back. 👎 ;; i've also heard that there's discrimination issues within the mcphs schools.

 

[lord999]

We lost 4 in our class year. We didn't care much for them.
1 due to our (relatively) rough Immunology from Parmley
2 due to IS2/Renal combos in that awful P1 summer: IS2 wasn't bad, but Renal did fail quite a few of us. (Reason why Renal is no longer taught as a separate class)
1 from IS3 (failed into the class beneath us but I HOPE she failed out)

We gained 6 students:
2-PAPA problems
2-Academic probation
1-The perpetual student who managed to fail Pharmacoeconomics...(failed from the initial year into my year)
1-G1P1 (A healthy girl!)

 

[Sustiva]

i give a thumbs down on mcphs.. 👎 .i actually know a few people in the area that go to mcphs in boston and they all discouraged myself and others i know from even applying to mcphs, only 70% pass boards at boston campus, but i also know that the worchester and new hampshire is even worse, about 25% don't graduate or drop out b/c of stress level, it's accelerated, meaning you finish in three years instead of four. my recommendation is you have to be veryyy weary of schools who accept so many students (mcphs at both campuses); it is for safety reasons. they take your money -probably about 35-45 k per year, and aren't too concerned with students who have difficulty, which is more than half of the class. I heard their motto at mcphs was "youre on your own". i don't recommend it according to # of statistics who drop out, dismissed or stay back. 👎 ;; i've also heard that there's discrimination issues within the mcphs schools.

yeah, absolutely... MCPHS is all about weeding people out... while taking your money.. In the six year program, they let in lots of people initially... but its just gets smaller and smaller... BUT, it is a good pharmacy school...

 

[Requiem]

It's really disappointing to see these American schools take in such a large volume of students and intentionally lose them for ulterior motives.

Frankly, I wouldn't want to be part of a school that had those intentions, and didn't 100% completely want you to graduate.

I attend MUN in Canada, we have one of the highest, if not thee highest retention rate in Canada. But, to be honest, pharmacy school and pharmacy in general seems to be structured quite different across Canada.

Perhaps it's due to the fact we have a smaller number of total students, but the pharmacy schools across canada are seemingly much more close-knit and supportive of each other. For example, in two weeks theres an APAC conference at our school in which two pharmacy schools are coming together for a weekend of presentations/parties.

Also, whether they're actually real pharmacy students or not, it seems there are quite a few of strikingly incoherent 'pharmacy students' posting here; and also engage in many discussions over how much money a pharmacist makes. Important factor, sure; but hardly something that needs to be discussed on end with fellow colleagues.

If you're curious regarding the stats to my school, we had roughly ~400 applicants for 40 seats. Of those 40 students, everyone made their respective dean's lists, ~15-20 have a degree, ~10 were in year 2-3 of university and I think the rest were first year students, like myself. We also used a 1 hour behavioural-based interview which I think is important in determining the personality and attitude of the prospective pharmacy students. I can guarantee if half of the stuff you guys casually say is how you actually think (regarding money, sheer lack of understanding of the english language, etc), you would not have come close to being accepted.


Finally, that isn't meant to be condescending, I admire anyone who chose this profession for the right reasons, and if the only school available was one of the aforementioned money grabbers, that's all that you can do. This was directed more or less to a select few individuals who lack even the most basic understanding of the profession, it's history, and where it's going.