How many DOs/DO students have interest in OMM?

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I'm wondering if I ended up being DO if I would be miserable without accepting some belief in the benefits of OMM. I'm not snobby about maybe having to learn it to get where I want to go, but I also don't really see myself being super convinced of it's potential as a treatment method.

Are there many DOs and DO students that have no real interest in OMM?
 
Not a DO student, just an applicant like you. But I did end up attending a Open House at a DO School this year, and they gave us a tour in their OMM Lab. Their head OMM professor and current students gave us a brief history and examples of how they use OMM today in their practice and how their patients generally appreciate it/find relief. At the same time they were very open and said not everyone of their students buy into it and if you never want to use OMM after you graduate, you certainly don't have to.
 
Not a DO student either, I am also an applicant but I have spoken with recipients of OMM and they love it and swear by it. Maybe not every single technique you learn will be viable; however, I personally think it's an added tool in your bag of tricks. I don't know what specialty I will go into, but if I go into one that permits the use of OMM and my patients benefit from it in any way and they like it, then why not use it.
 
Yeah, I would certainly find it fulfilling to provide it to patients if they request it, but fairly certain I wouldn't go out of my way to offer it. Plus I think I'd like to specialize and I doubt it would really be relevant to what I want to do. Just was wondering what the general attitudes are towards it for DO students.

Thanks BaseFootBall for that insight!!
 
I'm wondering if I ended up being DO if I would be miserable without accepting some belief in the benefits of OMM. I'm not snobby about maybe having to learn it to get where I want to go, but I also don't really see myself being super convinced of it's potential as a treatment method.

Are there many DOs and DO students that have no real interest in OMM?
Oh, probably 95% have no interest.

Just keep an open mind, suspend your disbelief, and see if you can learn something useful.

Treat the True Believers as you would beloved but dotty old aunts. Just smile when they talk about Chapman's points and cranial bone movement.
And consider all this a tax on you screwing up your GPA and/or MCAT.
 
Oh, probably 95% have no interest.

Just keep an open mind, suspend your disbelief, and see if you can learn something useful.

Treat the True Believers as you would beloved but dotty old aunts. Just smile when they talk about Chapman's points and cranial bone movement.
And consider all this a tax on you screwing up your GPA and/or MCAT.

Hahaha, I love it. This was exactly the insight I wanted, thanks Goro!
 
Anecdotally from myself and most in my class:

I think it would be incorrect to say that we all have no interest at all, but almost all of us have limited interest. It has its high points...some things make sense and are genuinely helpful manipulations (e.g. muscle energy techniques) that build and rely heavily on basic science concepts that are taught alongside it.

Of course, there's a lot of bad, too. I will never defend cranial manipulation of almost any kind. Rib/respiratory is just as chocked-full of BS to me and almost all of my class. These are just two examples off the top of my head.

I can see myself using OMM at some point in my career, but it would have to be the absolute perfect scenario for it to have my consideration.
 
More than this site suggests. But no one entertains Chapman’s points or cranial or what level you’ll find tissue texture changes associated with cholecystitis, etc.

But even the people who like it hate how much time is wasted learning it. The parts that have any utility could be cover in a couple weeks but the class drags on for 2 years.
 
It is what it is. OMM feels awkward for the first few months of class. Then one day you wake up with a sore neck/back/leg/etc. and realize some muscle energy would help. And it does. Plus, you really do get better at feeling the deeper anatomy with your hands by practicing OMM techniques.

Cranial stuff and Chinese MeridiansChapman's points... just smile and nod.

Skepticism is fine, cynicism is not. Don't be a self-hating DO.
 
Oh, probably 95% have no interest.

Just keep an open mind, suspend your disbelief, and see if you can learn something useful.

Treat the True Believers as you would beloved but dotty old aunts. Just smile when they talk about Chapman's points and cranial bone movement.
And consider all this a tax on you screwing up your GPA and/or MCAT.
Anecdotally from myself and most in my class:

I think it would be incorrect to say that we all have no interest at all, but almost all of us have limited interest. It has its high points...some things make sense and are genuinely helpful manipulations (e.g. muscle energy techniques) that build and rely heavily on basic science concepts that are taught alongside it.

Of course, there's a lot of bad, too. I will never defend cranial manipulation of almost any kind. Rib/respiratory is just as chocked-full of BS to me and almost all of my class. These are just two examples off the top of my head.

I can see myself using OMM at some point in my career, but it would have to be the absolute perfect scenario for it to have my consideration.
What they ^ said. Some OMM stuff works, some are just pure BS. And most of us OMS couldn't care less about it. Plus it's not bad, I get all As in it just by studying and practicing the day before the exams.
 
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I’m keeping an open mind. Like most things in life, take what you think is most useful, remove all the extra noise, and apply what you did take in.

Of course that’s after the exams ahaha.
 
Agree with the salmon colored penguin above.
Most of us have some interest in OMM particularly for things like lower back pain treatments.

Cranial and Chapmans points on the other hand... well, you need it for the Comlex so *shrug*.
 
Not many. Pointing out that a majority of OMM is pseudoscience isn't being a "self hating DO." It's embarrassing some of the stuff we get taught as gospel truth. Cranial is borderline flat earth type insanity.
 
Not many. Pointing out that a majority of OMM is pseudoscience isn't being a "self hating DO." It's embarrassing some of the stuff we get taught as gospel truth. Cranial is borderline flat earth type insanity.

Lol as an outsider with minimal knowledge of OMM so far, I just have a feeling that this would be my attitude exactly.
 
Not many. Pointing out that a majority of OMM is pseudoscience isn't being a "self hating DO." It's embarrassing some of the stuff we get taught as gospel truth. Cranial is borderline flat earth type insanity.

Some of my classmates that I'd describe as OMM truthers now walk out of lab and just say "I didn't feel s***".

Yeah, that's probably because the cranial bones don't move...
 
I'm wondering if I ended up being DO if I would be miserable without accepting some belief in the benefits of OMM. I'm not snobby about maybe having to learn it to get where I want to go, but I also don't really see myself being super convinced of it's potential as a treatment method.

Are there many DOs and DO students that have no real interest in OMM?
Every applicant say they love it......soooo??
But seriously, I think students pick and chose what they like about OMM and use that. Some lied their way into DO school and just want to use a prescription pad regardless of their degree. There are aspects of OMM that make you scratch your head, no doubt. But this is not the entirety of OMM, not even a third. Then there are others aspects of the OMM course, like ortho exam and gait, all mainstays of orthopaedics Muscle energy, HVLA, counterstrain, trigger point therapy, and exercise prescription, all are used by physical therapists. PM &R , and Pain docs. OMM doesnt get a fair shake on SDN because of cranial and Chapman points ,which only encompass a relatively small portion of OMM class. The ones who rant about OMM being pseudoscience will cheerfully send a patient to physical therapy to be treated with the same pseudoscience. Go figure. So, to answer OPs question, I would hazard about half of DO students would consider using any OMM in practice if they saw the need and practicing DOs actually use way less than that. There are studies looking at this. This is mostly due to time, you have about 7 min per patient, and cost. You cannot bill for comprehensive evaluation AND a procedure for the initial patient visit. OMM profs will mislead you into believing there are somatic dysfunctions everywhere. In reality, it is an infrequent case where a purely OMM issue brings a patient into your office. When you see one, you will look like a rock star when the patient walks out feeling better. It's mostly a different perspective in which you consider, evaluate, and treat patients.Way too much bandwidth used on this topic IMO, but I think this needed to be said. I'm sure I'll get flamed for this by the Self Loathers as @Goro describes, but I've got my asbestos whitey tighties on, just in case.
 
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Every applicant say they love it......soooo??
But seriously, I think students pick and chose what they like about OMM and use that. Some lied their way into DO school and just want to use a prescription pad regardless of their degree. There are aspects of OMM that make you scratch your head, no doubt. But this is not the entirety of OMM, not even a third. Then there are others aspects of the OMM course, like ortho exam and gait, all mainstays of orthopaedics Muscle energy, HVLA, counterstrain, trigger point therapy, and exercise prescription, all are used by physical therapists. PM &R , and Pain docs. OMM doesnt get a fair shake on SDN because of cranial and Chapman points ,which only encompass a relatively small portion of OMM class. The ones who rant about OMM being pseudoscience will cheerfully send a patient to physical therapy to be treated with the same pseudoscience. Go figure. So, to answer OPs question, I would hazard about half of DO students would consider using any OMM in practice if they saw the need and practicing DOs actually use way less than that. There are studies looking at this. This is mostly due to time, you have about 7 min per patient, and cost. You cannot bill for comprehensive evaluation AND a procedure for the initial patient visit. OMM profs will mislead you into believing there are somatic dysfunctions everywhere. In reality, it is an infrequent case where a purely OMM issue brings a patient into your office. When you see one, you will look like a rock star when the patient walks out feeling better. It's mostly a different perspective in which you consider, evaluate, and treat patients.Way too much bandwidth used on this topic IMO, but I think this needed to be said. I'm sure I'll get flamed for this by the Self Loathers as @Goro describes, but I've got my asbestos whitey tighties on, just in case.

I think the time issue cannot be understated. Sure, some of OMM is actually useful for people, and similar or identical techniques are used by certain clinicians like PT. But the opportunity cost of learning OMM at the expense of things that are much more important for our careers/specialty goals and perhaps our future patients (Step 1 material, for the first couple of years) is incredibly frustrating. And, I would guess (but may be wrong) that taking the time to practice and stay up to date on OMM in a busy, crowded hospital environment may not feel like the most helpful or effective way to spend one's time as a resident or attending.
 
I'm wondering if I ended up being DO if I would be miserable without accepting some belief in the benefits of OMM. I'm not snobby about maybe having to learn it to get where I want to go, but I also don't really see myself being super convinced of it's potential as a treatment method.

Are there many DOs and DO students that have no real interest in OMM?

I’m a DO student and really like OMM and plan on using it in my future practice. There are a LOT who don’t like or plan on using OMM but I really find it has utility for MSK complaints. If you take the time to learn it, could have a good place in a future practice that will also increase your future income
 
Just keep in mind that there are many DOs that use OMM and make more than surgeons. It's all about perspective and using what you like and/or what your patients like. I have never seen a Chapman's point diagnosed, but what I have seen is OMM being documented and billed.
 
Oh, probably 95% have no interest.

Just keep an open mind, suspend your disbelief, and see if you can learn something useful.

Treat the True Believers as you would beloved but dotty old aunts. Just smile when they talk about Chapman's points and cranial bone movement.
And consider all this a tax on you screwing up your GPA and/or MCAT.

The way I look at it, is that it’s another tool to help patients. It’s a way for me to have an additional skill set that I’ve mastered (if I pass the COMLEX, etc.)

I think it’s pretty cool. Using the extra skill set, and just knowing that I have an additional skill set is pretty cool
 
How often do you get to touch another human being? How often in medical school do you get to practice using your hands?

I'm trying to see it as less of a tax and more of an enjoyable break from all the lecturing and Anki'ing.
 
OMM gives you a way to prove to your friends and family that you are learning stuff when you go back home for holidays.
Think of it as a refreshing, practical part of your preclinical education (until cranial, then hate it).
(Speaking as someone who has found Chapman reflexs, "felt" cranial motion, and tutored OMM)

My favorite techniques are: muscle energy, balanced ligamentous tension, HVLA, and counterstrain.

That being said, I'm shooting for ophthalmology, so I'll never use it in practice.
 
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