How many people go to the Parties during orientation and after test?

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I am average, and I know I wont put down the work to get brilliant scores, but part of maturing is to stop defining yourself as your grades, and realize there are other qualities to be worked on.
 
DermViser said:
You have 1 test a week? Really?
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Yes. I just looked at my calendar for this semester. We have 1 week that doesnt have a test in November. .. but yeah every other week as at least one.
 
touchpause13 said:
Yes. I just looked at my calendar for this semester. We have 1 week that doesnt have a test in November. .. but yeah every other week as at least one.
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That's crazy. Is it so you guys are keeping up with the material? I don't see what purpose it serves - unless it's less material per test or something. Seems more like treating you like kids.
 
DermViser said:
That's crazy. Is it so you guys are keeping up with the material? I don't see what purpose it serves - unless it's less material per test or something. Seems more like treating you like kids.
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No clue. It seems like there is a ton of material on all the tests. We also have a bunch of classes, I think we are in 8 right now.
 
touchpause13 said:
No clue. It seems like there is a ton of material on all the tests. We also have a bunch of classes, I think we are in 8 right now.
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My guess is it also weeds out people easily and early on as well. People with not so great study skills who don't study everyday feel the heat early on.
 
DermViser said:
My guess is it also weeds out people easily and early on as well. People with not so great study skills who don't study everyday feel the heat early on.
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Yeah. You can't get behind that's for sure. I think the attrition rate is quite low though, I honestly don't know exact numbers or anything but talking with the 2nd years, I think there was only 1 or 2 who dropped.
 
Ismet said:
Nice display of empathy there.

Different people handle things differently. Yeah if you cry yourself to sleep every night about school, you should seek some help. But crying is one of many normal responses to being overwhelmed. You can deny it and put it down and act as macho as you want, but show some sympathy for other people.
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I have zero empathy for anyone who cried over some random test during their first 2 years of medical school.

Things of significant magnitude like bombing/failing step 1, getting kicked out of medical school, watching a patient suffer/die...those are things I can understand people crying over.

Give me a break with crying over a test. Like I said before, man up.
 
DarknightX said:
I have zero empathy for anyone who cried over some random test during their first 2 years of medical school.

Things of significant magnitude like bombing/failing step 1, getting kicked out of medical school, watching a patient suffer/die...those are things I can understand people crying over.

Give me a break with crying over a test. Like I said before, man up.
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You realize that getting kicked out of medical school can start with failing exams right?

I know you have to play the I'm a rock hard surgeon and nothing gets to me role but it's annoying.
 
DermViser said:
Easy to say, now that you're in residency isn't it? I swear you're like a surgery version of Instatewaiter.
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Ya because residency is soooooooo much easier than medical school.

The Q3 call is soooo easy and staying up all night running trauma after trauma is cake.

Watching children come in as trauma victims? Just saw a toddler who was involved in a hit and run and half her brain ended up on the sidewalk, but yeah soooo easy compared to medical school. I feel sooooo bad for all you med students and your little tests. That micro exam during my second semester was way harder than this.

Getting chewed out by attendings on a regular basis? Easy compared to that biochem midterm during 1st year.

If you are already crying over tests during med school, then I have no idea what you guys are gonna do during residency where you are actually responsible for patients and nobody gives a s*** about your little feelings.
 
DarknightX said:
Ya because residency is soooooooo much easier than medical school.

The Q3 call is soooo easy and staying up all night running trauma after trauma is cake.

Watching children come in as trauma victims? Just saw a toddler who was involved in a hit and run and half her brain ended up on the sidewalk, but yeah soooo easy compared to medical school. I feel sooooo bad for all you med students and you guys and your little tests. That micro exam during my second semester was way harder than this.

Getting chewed out by attendings on a regular basis? Easy compared to that biochem midterm during 1st year.

If you are already crying over tests during med school, then I have no idea what you guys are gonna do during residency where you are actually responsible for patients and nobody fixes a s*** about your little feelings.
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I didn't say residency is easier than medical school. However to even get to the point of residency, you have to have an MD. That's the minimum barrier to entry to even get to the stage that you are.

I'm sure you've seen utter hell and back in surgery residency. However, to a medical student who hasn't seen the scope that you've seen and doesn't have the background you have to say it's no big deal doesn't help. I don't think any med student will deny that being surrounded by the dead and dying, getting chewed out by attendings, etc. is not worse.
 
Serous Demilune said:
:sendoff:

Easy to say from residency with your nice rose-colored glasses. Medical school sucks the big one, and if you didn't cry at least once... well you did and just forgot about it. As a big strong man who hasn't cried in years before MS1, I can say that I've broken down from the stress at least once so far and I haven't even gotten to rotations yet.
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See my above post.

Medical school is a joke compared to residency. I look back on med school (especially the first 2 years) and can't believe how much free time I had compared to now.

Plus you aren't protected during residency. Nobody cares about your feelings and nobody is going to tell you that you're a doing a good job. If you feel inadequate now, just wait until you're an intern and realize that you don't know anything. If you're crying over some exam now because you don't feel smart, then I have no clue how you're gonna handle intern year where you feel stupid, inadequate, and worthless on a daily basis.

Rose colored glasses, my a$$
 
DarknightX said:
See my above post.

Medical school is a joke compared to residency. I look back on med school (especially the first 2 years) and can't believe how much free time I had compared to now.

Plus you aren't protected during residency. Nobody cares about your feelings and nobody is going to tell you that you're a doing a good job. If you feel inadequate now, just wait until you're an intern and realize that you don't know anything. If you're crying over some exam now because you don't feel smart, then I have no clue how you're gonna handle intern year where you feel stupid, inadequate, and worthless on a daily basis.

Rose colored glasses, my a$$
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I think most people realize that MS-1/MS-2 are easy with respect to having a controlled environment - time to study, eat and sleep, watch lectures online, etc. It doesn't make it any less hard with respect to the amount of volume you're expected to digest and process. It doesn't make residency any less hard either. BOTH can be hard and taxing only varying by degree.

You must truly must hate the rest of us who didn't go into Surgery. Good grief - you're like a disruptive attending physician in the making.
 
DermViser said:
I think most people realize that MS-1/MS-2 are easy with respect to having a controlled environment - time to study, eat and sleep, watch lectures online, etc. It doesn't make it any less hard with respect to the amount of volume you're expected to digest and process. It doesn't make residency any less hard either. BOTH can be hard and taxing only varying by degree.

You must truly must hate the rest of us who didn't go into Surgery. Good grief - you're like a disruptive attending physician in the making.
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No, I really don't hate other specialties (except the ED, but we all hate them).

My opinion here is based on guys in general and especially all these younger guys. I just can't stand whiny dudes. I really think guys these days are too coddled and soft. I've seen so many guys cry over dumb s***, it's almost comical. I just had to talk to some intern because his "feelings" were hurt and he was crying about another senior resident yelling at him. I was nice to the kid, but come on bro, give me a break.

I'm an old school kind of guy and I don't put up with nonsense. I definitely don't feed into this crap about men being in touch with their feelings and crying all the time. Not saying that we should be robots, but no one should be crying over insignificant things like tests or getting yelled at.

Try to have a little backbone here, fellas.
 
^ dude acts like he's been frozen since the 50's like captain america.
 
No one's impressed by you except yourself. The transition into medical school isn't easy and you acting like an internet tough guy just makes you look like a douche. I remember feeling overwhelmed for my first anatomy test. Don't care about your q3 call
 
DarknightX said:
No, I really don't hate other specialties (except the ED, but we all hate them).

My opinion here is based on guys in general and especially all these younger guys. I just can't stand whiny dudes. I really think guys these days are too coddled and soft. I've seen so many guys cry over dumb s***, it's almost comical. I just had to talk to some intern because his "feelings" were hurt and he was crying about another senior resident yelling at him. I was nice to the kid, but come on bro, give me a break.

I'm an old school kind of guy and I don't put up with nonsense. I definitely don't feed into this crap about men being in touch with their feelings and crying all the time. Not saying that we should be robots, but no one should be crying over insignificant things like tests or getting yelled at.

Try to have a little backbone here, fellas.
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Hate was probably a strong word on my part. Despise/Annoyed by other specialties might be better.

What I am saying is esp. in this match environment, you have to look at the scope of experience a medical student comes in with which isn't much. This isn't the 60s/70s where there are more spots, than students. Medical students feel the pressure and so any failure can snowball. You cry, wipe your tears, and move forward.

I don't think it's the actual "getting yelled at" that bothers people, it's when you're trying your best under sub-optimal circumstances (esp. when it may/may not be you who dropped the ball) usually mentally exhausted/hungry/thirsty, etc. which is why residents cry. It's literally a merry go round that never stops.
 
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DermViser said:
I'm sure a lot of his views on the running of undergraduate medical education, GME, etc. are from that era. I think he needs a big hug.
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But hugs could induce feels!

Better a 1 second tap on the back or a sympathetic head nod
 
touchpause13 said:
But hugs could induce feels!

Better a 1 second tap on the back or a sympathetic head nod
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Something tells me @DarknightX would get a laugh like he was reading the Sunday comics if he read the e-book, Heart Failure - Diary of a Third Year Medical Student, by Michael Greger.
 
Psai said:
No one's impressed by you except yourself. The transition into medical school isn't easy and you acting like an internet tough guy just makes you look like a douche. I remember feeling overwhelmed for my first anatomy test. Don't care about your q3 call
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Awwwww you gonna go cry about it?

Go tell your guy friends that actually have a pair that you cry over tests and see what kind of response that illicits.
 
DermViser said:
Something tells me @DarknightX would get a laugh like he was reading the Sunday comics if he read the e-book, Heart Failure - Diary of a Third Year Medical Student, by Michael Greger.
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A book by a whiny third year? Haven't heard of it and have no interest, but ya I probably would laugh my ass off.

You guys are all way too sensitive.
 
DarknightX said:
Ya because residency is soooooooo much easier than medical school.

The Q3 call is soooo easy and staying up all night running trauma after trauma is cake.

Watching children come in as trauma victims? Just saw a toddler who was involved in a hit and run and half her brain ended up on the sidewalk, but yeah soooo easy compared to medical school. I feel sooooo bad for all you med students and your little tests. That micro exam during my second semester was way harder than this.

Getting chewed out by attendings on a regular basis? Easy compared to that biochem midterm during 1st year.

If you are already crying over tests during med school, then I have no idea what you guys are gonna do during residency where you are actually responsible for patients and nobody gives a s*** about your little feelings.
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I like you.
 
touchpause13 said:
But hugs could induce feels!

Better a 1 second tap on the back or a sympathetic head nod
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Hey, that one attending who made me cry (after I left for the day) a few weeks ago gave me a hug at the end of the rotation. They're not completely immune to showing their feels!

I had hopes that this "old boy" mentality would wane with the newer generation of docs, but I guess they're still out there. I definitely don't need or want my hand to be held, but being borderline insulting is not conducive to good teaching.
 
Ismet said:
Hey, that one attending who made me cry (after I left for the day) a few weeks ago gave me a hug at the end of the rotation. They're not completely immune to showing their feels!

I had hopes that this "old boy" mentality would wane with the newer generation of docs, but I guess they're still out there. I definitely don't need or want my hand to be held, but being borderline insulting is not conducive to good teaching.
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Still super prevalent. Amongst the dentites, too.
 
Ismet said:
Hey, that one attending who made me cry (after I left for the day) a few weeks ago gave me a hug at the end of the rotation. They're not completely immune to showing their feels!

I had hopes that this "old boy" mentality would wane with the newer generation of docs, but I guess they're still out there. I definitely don't need or want my hand to be held, but being borderline insulting is not conducive to good teaching.
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He's a surgeon which is relatively an "old boy" specialty - esp. with attendings.
 
Shjanzey said:
Why do you (we all) hate ED? I was strongly considering this specialty, but maybe there is something I don't know?
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It's bc they're nothing but glorified triage. EM didn't even exist as an official specialty until recently in terms of board certification. ERs were handled by IM and Surgery mainly. If they were more interested in solving the issue, rather than just admitting and let it be someone else's problem, they'd get more respect in the hospital.
 
Ismet said:
Which is exactly why I do not have the personality for surgery, although I do like the procedural aspect.
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It's why a LOT of people don't go into Surgery. The ones that still pursue after their clerkship - even then - there's a huge attrition rate. You really have to LOVE surgery at the expense of everything else, to complete a residency in that field.
 
DarknightX said:
A book by a whiny third year? Haven't heard of it and have no interest, but ya I probably would laugh my ass off.

You guys are all way too sensitive.
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I'm pretty similar to you in terms of emotional threshold. So I understand what you're saying, and more or less agree with it.

But belittling others doesn't accomplish anything. I mean it's obviously not a huge deal, but what's being accomplished here? You're not going to change anyone's mind.
 
Serious, why surgeons hate ED?
 
Gordon Ramsay belittles people and he churns out great chefs.
 
DermViser said:
It's bc they're nothing but glorified triage. EM didn't even exist as an official specialty until recently in terms of board certification. ERs were handled by IM and Surgery mainly. If they were more interested in solving the issue, rather than just admitting and let it be someone else's problem, they'd get more respect in the hospital.
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Yup

The tool the ED physicians use the most is the phone because you spend the majority of your time calling consults.
 
sinombre said:
I'm pretty similar to you in terms of emotional threshold. So I understand what you're saying, and more or less agree with it.

But belittling others doesn't accomplish anything. I mean it's obviously not a huge deal, but what's being accomplished here? You're not going to change anyone's mind.
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Something tells me DarknightX rolled his eyes during the professionalism lectures in medical school. (well we all do, to an extent).

I really think that his outlook is destructive though. Look at that recent Columbia IM intern who recently committed suicide. Opinions like DarknightX's only spur those type of events. Any wonder med schools and residencies are now talking about wellness and schools like Vanderbilt have to brag about their wellness programs to the NY Times.
 
DarknightX said:
Yup

The tool the ED physicians use the most is the phone because you spend the majority of your time calling consults.
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At least you're in Surgery and can tell them to f- off and your attending and PD have your back. The ones in IM have no choice but to accept.
 
Shjanzey said:
Is telling someone not to get teary eyed every time they get yelled at or have a poor result on a test, considered "belittling"? Things sure have changed
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I'm pretty sure it's more than that.
 
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