How many programs should we apply to?

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This topic is touched on in the Application FAQ thread but I was wanting some more input from people on the board. How many programs should an applicant apply to? All of them, 50, 20? Regionally? And please express what you would advise for a strong, moderate, or relatively weaker applicant.

thanks
 
This topic is touched on in the Application FAQ thread but I was wanting some more input from people on the board. How many programs should an applicant apply to? All of them, 50, 20? Regionally? And please express what you would advise for a strong, moderate, or relatively weaker applicant.

thanks

I was told by my advisor to apply to all of them. This was ridiculously expensive and I ended up turning down a lot of interviews. Seems like a waste of money. But, it is hard to research every program in detail so I think this was good because if I got an interview offer from a program I could spend some time researching the program and talking to my advisors and then decide if I wanted to interview there. Also its difficult to predict how good your application is going to look and what type of interview offers you will receive. You definetly don't want to sell yourself short by leaving off top ranked programs and you don't want to limit your opportunity at matching. There are no guaranteed spots in this specialty. Its not as hard to match in as people make it out to be but you need to be smart about applying. If I could go back in time I would apply to maybe 40 programs, 70 may be a little overkill.

Also remeber to cancel your interviews early so others can have those opportunities. I matched at a program I wasn't initially invited to interview at and I have been on many interviews, especially near the end, where people did not show up.
 
I can't say it better than PhilTheThrill, but I'd make one adjustment. I'd say apply to all of 'em. If you match, you'll be doing well enough later to not have to worry about that sunk cost. Give yourself every shot possible and turn down places once you realize that you're going to get a lot of interviews. The worst feeling is thinking that you may have not done everything possible. Even worse is shelling out more money the next year.

-S
 
I definitely agree with SD on this one. The only potential harm in applying everywhere is the cost, which ends up being about $1500 from what I remember. That is miniscule if you consider that NOT matching will not only cost you the entire app. process once again, but you'd also lose a year's income as a radiation oncologist..not a gamble I'd take, even as a very strong applicant. As Simul says, it's better to know you did EVERYTHING possible to get in. Not everyone is lucky enough to have so many interviews that you're turning them down left & right.. G'luck
 
I gotta disagree on applying to all programs. Rather I suggest selecting by regions and by tiers. I applied to all the programs in my region (simply because I wanted to stay close to family and friends), then applied to an even number of top, middle, and low tier programs from other regions that my mentor helped me select.

Yes, matching is extremely important, but applying to all programs costs more than I was willing to spend, and inevitably makes you miss an interview at a better school b/c you accepted one at a worse school who sent you an invitation earlier. Also, applying to all clogs up the system. Last year ERAS costs went down and every school I communicated with mentioned record numbers of applicants. There weren't more applicants last year, just people applying to more places on average. Yet the programs didn't offer more interview spots. So then the superstar candidates ended up increasing their average # of interviews to 15-25 interviews while the more average candidate's # of interviews dropped. This is probably why places like VCM thought they were the bomb getting all sorts of great candidates to interview, yet ended up matching none (and yes, I know about how the residents were also talking trash about the program to the interviewees; that's just the most striking example of what I'm talking about).

So be selective, save yourself some money, and help both the program's and the candidate's expectations be a little more appropriate by not applying to all. Plus your letters of rec will hold more weight regionally and programs in general don't what to transplant residents across the country where they are more likely to miss home and not fit in culturally.
 
I definitely agree with SD on this one. The only potential harm in applying everywhere is the cost, which ends up being about $1500 from what I remember. That is miniscule if you consider that NOT matching will not only cost you the entire app. process once again, but you'd also lose a year's income as a radiation oncologist..not a gamble I'd take, even as a very strong applicant. As Simul says, it's better to know you did EVERYTHING possible to get in. Not everyone is lucky enough to have so many interviews that you're turning them down left & right.. G'luck

how many programs asked for supplemental material beyond eras? Thanks.
 
I remember 2: Duke & UTMB both asked for undergrad transcripts.
 
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