How many SMP students have gotten all As?

[medhearter]

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[nick_carraway]

Excellent question. I'm going next year and even I'm deeply skeptical of a positive end result. DrJD says most of his Georgetown class haven't received an acceptance and most are on waitinglists at best.

Not so encouraging for so much money/such high risk/time from family.

 

[eelleellee]

Excellent question. I'm going next year and even I'm deeply skeptical of a positive end result. DrJD says most of his Georgetown class haven't received an acceptance and most are on waitinglists at best.

Not so encouraging for so much money/such high risk/time from family.

I'm in the Georgetown SMP, and most of the people in my circle of friends have at least 1 acceptance. I think with 180 people in the program, it's hard to know what everyone's status is in terms of acceptances.

We were told during orientation that the average SMP GPA for Georgetown is a 3.4.

 

[herbb]

i think about 50-60% of Georgetown SMP kids get into med. school the year they are in the SMP

about 15% of the program go to Georgetown med

so at this point, maybe half of the smp class is in med school, most likely less

 

[nick_carraway]

i think about 50-60% of Georgetown SMP kids get into med. school the year they are in the SMP

about 15% of the program go to Georgetown med

so at this point, maybe half of the smp class is in med school, most likely less

But if you're paying nearly $40k, do you really want to be counting on waitlists for 11 months? And have an ultimate 50% chance of getting off the waitlist?

As for the average GPA of 3.4, that's well and good but how many people actually get 4.0 in the med school classes? That's the question to which we all want the answer.

 

[HPSPpayissues]

3.4 is REALLY high for a med school average. They must have a generous grading over there. Our school - the average GPA is around 2.8. I mean 50% of the class get around C. Those that get over 3.3 tend to do well on the boards and get into good specialties. 3.4, WOW. Are they giving out A's like a normal undergrad school? I bet Georgetown board score average is pretty low compare to other schools with tougher grading and curve and course works.

 

[eelleellee]

But if you're paying nearly $40k, do you really want to be counting on waitlists for 11 months? And have an ultimate 50% chance of getting off the waitlist?

As for the average GPA of 3.4, that's well and good but how many people actually get 4.0 in the med school classes? That's the question to which we all want the answer.

Don't really know how many people get 4.0s because the 180 of us don't announce our GPAs over the email listserv. And, you don't really need a 4.0 in SMP to get into med school. A lot of people don't even come close to a 4.0 but still get interview invites and acceptances.

 

[herbb]

3.4 is REALLY high for a med school average. They must have a generous grading over there. Our school - the average GPA is around 2.8. I mean 50% of the class get around C. Those that get over 3.3 tend to do well on the boards and get into good specialties. 3.4, WOW. Are they giving out A's like a normal undergrad school? I bet Georgetown board score average is pretty low compare to other schools with tougher grading and curve and course works.

I don't know what G'town's board scores are like, but by your logic schools with pass/fail grading must really bomb the boards.

 

[HPSPpayissues]

well, I heard from my friend at Yale that their board scores are pretty bad compare to other Ivy's - even lower than many other top 20 schools- and I think Yale is Pass/No pass. Also, USC >>>> UCLA in board scores, and UCLA is P/NP. These are only two weak evidences, but you get my point.

 

[HPSPpayissues]

🙂

 

[herbb]

well, I heard from my friend at Yale that their board scores are pretty bad compare to other Ivy's - even lower than many other top 20 schools- and I think Yale is Pass/No pass. Also, USC >>>> UCLA in board scores, and UCLA is P/NP. These are only two weak evidences, but you get my point.

That's really interesting and surprising. At Georgetown the curve pretty much bottoms out at a B-, so that's why the average GPA stated is so high. It's relatively easy to pass but it's hard to differentiate yourself from everyone else by getting an A.

 

[redsquareblack]

Don't really know how many people get 4.0s because the 180 of us don't announce our GPAs over the email listserv. And, you don't really need a 4.0 in SMP to get into med school. A lot of people don't even come close to a 4.0 but still get interview invites and acceptances.

180 students? Are you in BUSM GMS?

 

[nick_carraway]

Don't really know how many people get 4.0s because the 180 of us don't announce our GPAs over the email listserv. And, you don't really need a 4.0 in SMP to get into med school. A lot of people don't even come close to a 4.0 but still get interview invites and acceptances.

That's encouraging. Kinda. The med school advisors I spoke with after last cycle weren't excited by Georgetown's average of 3.4 for SMP students. They wanted ~3.8 so that's why I'm so skeptical of Georgetown's propaganda and wanted to hear a student's experience.

 

[eelleellee]

180 students? Are you in BUSM GMS?

Nope, Georgetown.

 

[Siverhideo1985]

That's encouraging. Kinda. The med school advisors I spoke with after last cycle weren't excited by Georgetown's average of 3.4 for SMP students. They wanted ~3.8 so that's why I'm so skeptical of Georgetown's propaganda and wanted to hear a student's experience.

But if everyone gets a 3.8 what does that tell you about the rigor of the program?

 

[nick_carraway]

But if everyone gets a 3.8 what does that tell you about the rigor of the program?

I'm actually okay with a program that is so easy that a 3.8 is attainable. Is this a trick question?

 

[Handy388]

well, I heard from my friend at Yale that their board scores are pretty bad compare to other Ivy's - even lower than many other top 20 schools- and I think Yale is Pass/No pass. Also, USC >>>> UCLA in board scores, and UCLA is P/NP. These are only two weak evidences, but you get my point.

mt sinai is pass/no pass, average step I is 225

 

[herbb]

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=161592

last post there says georgetown's avg. step 1 is 224.

 

[HPSPpayissues]

mt sinai is pass/no pass, average step I is 225

For your info, that is just a little above national average, and 10 points lower than some schools like USC

 

[HPSPpayissues]

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=161592

last post there says georgetown's avg. step 1 is 224.

Does it make sense to you that the school average is 3.4 (which is like top 10% in our school) and the board score is just above national average? Most schools, half the class gets PASS, which is equivalent to "C".


It is similar to going to JC to get a 4.0 for your pre-req classes and barely getting 27/28 on the MCAT- after studying 5 hardcore, stright months for it. What does that say about your undergrad GPA and institution?

 

[Siverhideo1985]

I'm actually okay with a program that is so easy that a 3.8 is attainable. Is this a trick question?

If everyone gets around a 3.8, what do you think medical schools will think of that program?

An SMP is your chance to proof to admissions committees that you can survive the rigor of medical school. If the average is too high it means the program doesn't really reflect that standard.

Of course it sounds nice as a prospective SMP student to hear that a program has a 3.8 average, but how will that help your application when all the other 180 kids in the same program have all straight A's, too? Admissions committees will clue in to the fact that the program is so easy that everyone admitted can get straight A's and they will view your grades accordingly. You'd just be another sheep of the herd, so to speak.

Instead, if you go to a program where the average is closer to 3.0, and you show up with a 3.8 or higher, then that really says something about how you can excel in a academically rigorous environment.

 

[herbb]

Does it make sense to you that the school average is 3.4 (which is like top 10% in our school) and the board score is just above national average? Most schools, half the class gets PASS, which is equivalent to "C".


It is similar to going to JC to get a 4.0 for your pre-req classes and barely getting 27/28 on the MCAT- after studying 5 hardcore, stright months for it. What does that say about your undergrad GPA and institution?

What medical school do you go to?

 

[72531]

not all the courses they take at Georgetown are medical school courses. There are some graduate courses too.

 

[vin5cent0]

What's SMP?

 

[halekulani]

get 3.5+, basically 3As and 1B if you're taking 4 courses/semester

 

[DrJD]

How many get a 4.0? Last year when I was talking with one of the admins here at Georgetown he said every year they will get a few people who get 4.0's...

It is definitely possible to get a 4.0... I had a 4.0 in the program until I got my first acceptance. At that point I prioritized spending time with my wife and getting a part time job over continuing that trend. I am confident that if I had chosen to I could have continued getting A's and ended up with a 4.0..

(One caveat though, they introduced this stupid writing project to the SDR module which may have made it so that I didn't get an A in that class. Having your peers grade your papers is never a good idea... anyway...)

I am not a genius, but it is about coming up with a study system that works. That was how I was able to get A's...

Now, I know a lot of people with at least 1 acceptance in my class here, but I think quite a few are also on waitlists. I know for some of them the only reason they are on waitlists is because of this program, so for them I'd say it is definitely worth it.

If you come here to Georgetown, you should be aiming for a 3.7 or higher. The average GPA in the program of those who go on to get accepted to Georgetown Medical school is a 3.7... Now UC Davis says they want to see at least a 3.9 in an SMP, so be sure to check with schools you are interested in.

I hope this helps, if you are curious about what the Georgetown program is like feel free to check out my blog about the experience! Or ask questions here and I can do my best to answer them.