How many SMPs should I apply to in January?

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How many SMPs do people usually apply to with around a 3.4 gpa and solid extra-curriculars? Also, I only have one professor letter of rec right now due to a really complicated problem with a professor not submitting my second one and I know that having 2 is a requirement at some schools.

My list so far is:

Tufts BMS
BU MAMS
RFU BMS*
Georgetown
Drexel IMS
UMDNJ BMS*

*Not sure what the LOR requirements are here

Also, with say a 30 on the MCAT, what are my chances for getting into one of these programs? Thank you.
 
Hi there,
I applied to 10 (most of the ones found on the SMP sticky). In addition to your list below, I also applied to:

UCincinatti
VCU CERT
Loyola
EVMS
Wayne State

I think I applied to too many...but I had a lower MCAT score than you - 26Q, so I didn't want to take chances. My gpa was 3.3 cum, 3.1 science from a decent undergrad.
I was accepted at all except:
Reject: Cincy & Wayne State
Waitlist: Tufts
Still waiting to hear: G-town & Loyola

Since your stats are better than mine, I would say you have a pretty good list there already. I also applied in May to these SMPs, so again, you will be much better timeline-wise than I was this cycle.

Re the LOR: I sent 3 letters via Interfolio - 2 upperdiv bio, 1 from a research mentor. Never had any problems, they all took it.

Hope this helps!


Tufts BMS
BU MAMS
RFU BMS*
Georgetown
Drexel IMS
UMDNJ BMS*
 
Question: Did u apply wayne state MD program? I thought there is no wayne state SMP..
 
There is one, actually. I heard it from a friend of a friend who did the Wayne State Basic Medical Science program and is now entering medical school this Fall. http://gradprograms.med.wayne.edu/program-spotlight.php?id=34

I believe there are core medical courses in this program, but unsure if it is tweaked or a variation of it - much like a graduate course. The person that went there recommended it and it got her into a medical school so that's always a good thing 🙂

I have not yet applied to any medical schools. Good luck!

Question: Did u apply wayne state MD program? I thought there is no wayne state SMP..
 
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Thank you for the encouraging response. Do you think my lack of professor letters will hurt me, even if the other the letters are good?
 
I remember academic letters are very important in medical school applications. Since SMPs will be evaluating you similarly (perhaps more lenient on the MCAT), I would think that it is an important part of your application. I remember reading that some SMPs asked for at least one academic letter; maybe browse the website of programs you are interested in and get in touch with the admissions secretary/officer if possible. If you have certain schools in mind, maybe PM me so I can give you the names of those who have been helpful to me. You still have sometime now until January, is it possible for you to take a 2nd class with a previous professor or another upper division course this Fall? If the above are not feasible, was there any professor in the past whom you have visited office hours/talked to/become acquainted with?

If the answer is no, I would just crapshoot it and see if anyone is willing to write you a "decent" letter. I had my letters written by a professor for Cell Biology, whom I went to office hours every week. However, I do not know him super well - at least not on a very personal level. I was banking on the fact that I did well in the class + I showed some effort/initiative in pursuit of the class material.
The other professor taught me physio, whom I took both the lecture and the lab with (2 courses here at UCSD). Again, I do not know him on a very personal level either - but he observes his students in lab class and enjoys working with students. Occasionally, I went to his office hours - but it was no more than once or twice. He was just a kind man though, and offered to chit chat with me before he began my letter.

How did I ask for the letters?
1. E-mailed them asking if they were willing to assist in my pursuit of graduate school. Ask of a possibility to meet up.
2. Met with them and talked about prospects - they told me what they wanted, I told them how I wanted to upload it (Interfolio, your school's letter service, etc.)
3. Included in my packet (manila envelope): resume, personal letter detailing our interactions and what I really enjoyed about the class, personal statement (if you have one - I did not include it because it was not done yet...but it is recommended!), a simple outline of what the program was about/types of courses that would be taught because some professors are not familiar with SMPs
4. Drop off...and wait anxiously
5. 2 month passes - still no sign of letter upload on Interfolio. Proceed to buy cookies/crackers to bribe them (haha jk..it was around the holidays and I was in a giving mood 😉) which would translate to PLEASE WRITE MY LETTER ASAP :]
6. I gave the delicious coffee cookies and then VOILA! 2 days later the last professor I was waiting on finally uploaded the letter

I gave them 3 months and told them when it was due (I moved the deadline to 12/15) even though most apps opened in Jan.... professors and PIs always get swamped, so ample time will cause you less anxiety. :xf:

I hope the descriptions above rings some bells for professors in your school. There has gotta be that one nice dude at every school, so good luck!

Thank you for the encouraging response. Do you think my lack of professor letters will hurt me, even if the other the letters are good?
 
Wow! Again, thank you for the response. I know they're important. I got screwed over by one of my professors who already wrote my letter but decided to not submit it and not respond to emails. I just emailed one of those hopefully "nice guy" professors yesterday and am crossing my fingers for a positive response. Thanks for your help.
 
Man, I'm sorry that happened to you... it always stinks big time especially since they have promised you one and even written it in your case. Why did he decide not to submit it?! That's crazy.

One of my friends had a professor write his letter and he wrote negative things about him. He did not make it into medical school because of that one letter. Luckily, he knew someone who was on the adcom and this adcom told him so he withdrew that letter and asked another professor for one. That professor is notorious for doing those kind of things to students.....so this kind of stuff happens. I was lucky that all 3 I requested from were responsible...although that last one was cutting it close.

One question crossed my mind: Do you think you could TA for this "nice guy" professor you have asked?

Wow! Again, thank you for the response. I know they're important. I got screwed over by one of my professors who already wrote my letter but decided to not submit it and not respond to emails. I just emailed one of those hopefully "nice guy" professors yesterday and am crossing my fingers for a positive response. Thanks for your help.
 
Ya, it is a pretty tough situation to be in, but I'm doing my best. Really, thank you for your sympathy. I'm just trying to stay positive and hope that things pan out. That's a nightmare for your friend though. I hope everything turned out alright. If that professor I e-mailed ever gets back to me (it's summer for him too) and he says he doesn't feel right about writing it, I'll make sure to pitch the TAing idea to him. Although, I'm not sure what he would think because my school is a large public school with mostly grad student TAs in my experience. I'll see what he says, but thanks for the idea. I am always interested in things I haven't thought of to get me out of this situation.
 
I wonder if Wayne State SMP has a great a success rate going to there own med school.
 
I am not entirely sure about this, but the friend I mentioned is matriculating this fall at Wayne State SOM.

I wonder if Wayne State SMP has a great a success rate going to there own med school.
 
Sorry to bump, but looking for more opinions. I decided to cut the list down to 6 schools, but am open to suggestions. My new list for SMP apps 2011 is:

Loyola MAMS
Tufts MBS
BU MAMS
Cincinnati MS
Georgetown SMP
Drexel IMS

I have a 3.35 bcpm and 3.43 cGPA, great letters so far (2 in and 2 on their way), taking the MCAT in January.

Thanks for any insight. I don't want to end up nowhere next year, but feel like these are the only 6 I can actually see myself going to and enjoying so far from the research I've done (SDN and school websites).
 
6SMP is alot. your GPA is solid. Just make sure to ace the MCAT so you don't even have to do SMP.

u already got 2letter of rec? how did you get it? paper? electronically? can you duplicate letter of rec to different schools? if yes, how?

I am just bit confused about letter of rec part... Never done it before... even for undergrad.
 
6 is a lot? Okay good. Like I said, i'm nervous about not getting in. Thanks for the response. I use interfolio.com to collect my letters of rec. Check it out. The letter writers submit it confidentially through email and you can release them individually to whichever schools you want.
 
I was considering adding them but it looks like they have really unusually strict requirements about LORs. It has to be on a letterhead, signed, letterhead envelope, that signed too... I have mine collected in interfolio and I don't think one of them has a letterhead which the schools on this list don't seem to have a problem with.
 
I applied late and I started getting recs in march.. and submitted my apps like march for bu and july for rfu. i had them write to like 10 schools but i ended up applying to only BU and RFU and got in at both. have your LORs send them broadly so u still have time to decide.

I don't think LORs are THAT important. I got mine for the year i took extension classes after i graduated..lors 2 upper div bio and a really old PI i did volunteer research for

gpa 3.1 gre 1340 mcat 34r
 
So you're saying that 6 would be enough? I was looking for an average because I don't want to end up sitting around. My application is good besides my average GPA if I don't have to retake the MCAT (taking for first time in January).
 
well, if you get a 30, you're pretty much a lock for BU and RFU I think

6 should be fine. i'd really recommend applying to RFU though, you still have tons of time to find that one letter with a letterhead.

btw what are your goals? are you looking for a program with linkage or just a straight up good SMP? honestly, i'd just apply to tufts, BU, rfu, and georgetown and some other programs with linkage if youre into that... ie UC, temple, etc.
 
The LORs are going to be important for med school though.
 
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Okay thanks. Ya I am going to try to get that letterhead but it's hell trying to get an appointment to see the doctor I'm getting the letter of recommendation from. I will try though. Is Loyola not good? I want high linkage but obviously want that balanced with price and overall good for applying anywhere.

DrizzT:
Ya I know. I was planning on getting a committee letter from the SMP and then using going back to 2 other letter writers for a research and volunteering/shadowing letter. At that point I was going to make sure of the letterheads but these letters I have now are addressed specifically to SMPs. That sound good or is there a major hole in that plan?
 
Also apply to Loyola

You also have 5 months until your MCAT if you study a lot starting now you can get a 36+ 8)
 
Also apply to Loyola

You also have 5 months until your MCAT if you study a lot starting now you can get a 36+ 8)

Actually I have more than 6 months and that IS the plan haha. Thanks for the advice.
 
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