how much implants do you get to learn/do at NYU?

[Ewok1984]

If there's one thing that I want to get out of the school, it's becoming a expert at implant dentistry. But, do you think NYU would provide me an environment to learn as much implant as possible if I take the initiative? Can student start learning how to place/restore implant in clinical years? Thank you.

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[NileBDS]

If there's one thing that I want to get out of the school, it's becoming a expert at implant dentistry. But, do you think NYU would provide me an environment to learn as much implant as possible if I take the initiative? Can student start learning how to place/restore implant in clinical years? Thank you.

Not at NYU, not anywhere.

 

[tamkhan]

If we could do that during our DDS/DMD years, we wouldn't need any specialty programs. 🙂

I don't think any school goes into too much depth, as far as I know.

 

[djeffreyt]

You might get a couple chances at some schools to restore implant cases, but at any school you go to, you'll be lucky if you ever get to place 1 implant...and I believe expertise takes, well, more than 1 at least.

 

[Yellow Snow]

We are required to restore several and some predoctoral students do get to place a few implants at the discretion of a department head. From what I hear someone would be lucky to place, say, 4, so it certainly isn't like you would graduate and start drilling away. We are required to treatment plan and restore an implant supported denture as well.

 

[Ewok1984]

thanks for the reply. The reason that I asked b/c during my interview, one of current NYU students said she had a patient who want to have implant, and she was able to place and restore under the supervision of instructor.

I also notice NYU offer CE courses on implant dentistry. Can pre-doc student take those courses? 🙂

 

[Devil Doc]

thanks for the reply. The reason that I asked b/c during my interview, one of current NYU students said she had a patient who want to have implant, and she was able to place and restore under the supervision of instructor.

I also notice NYU offer CE courses on implant dentistry. Can pre-doc student take those courses? 🙂

Yes!!!! I highly recommend these CE course: "Implant- Like putting screw in patient", "Total Joint Arthroplasty- Joint surgery make easy", and "Craniotomy- Saw strong like bull". These my favorite.

 

[Yellow Snow]

thanks for the reply. The reason that I asked b/c during my interview, one of current NYU students said she had a patient who want to have implant, and she was able to place and restore under the supervision of instructor.

I also notice NYU offer CE courses on implant dentistry. Can pre-doc student take those courses? 🙂

The chair of oral surgery told us straight during our orientation presentation that if one was persistant and showed the capacity, implant placement as a predoc is possible. But again, in order to be out doing these things on your own you are going to need more experience than four or so supervised cases.

I have the exact same question as you do re: the CE. I don't know the answer. You won't have a license as a predoc and I don't think CE works in such a way that participants are covered under a supervising doc so as far getting hands on experience through CE I just don't know.

 

[Ewok1984]

anyone in NYU can answer this? I think students in their clinical years are better ppl to answer it.

 

[Putin]

I asked about placing implants at all of my interviews... only the students at Temple actually got to put implants. when I asked the same question at NYU, they told me that i can only restore implants.

 

[ICrownUrTeeth]

If there's one thing that I want to get out of the school, it's becoming a expert at implant dentistry. But, do you think NYU would provide me an environment to learn as much implant as possible if I take the initiative? Can student start learning how to place/restore implant in clinical years? Thank you.

I hate to bust your bubble but no one graduating from dental school is an "expert" in any field of dentistry. You graduate from dental school knowing dentistry at an "understanding level" or "novice". It takes a life time of learning to become true masters.

Most general dentists are "find a hole fill a hole" type of dentists. Unfortunately, they dont teach students now a days to find the cause of dental problems but rather their effects.

 

[armorshell]

anyone in NYU can answer this? I think students in their clinical years are better ppl to answer it.

Does it matter? It's basically the same at every school: if you're a big enough implant gunner, they might let you place a few after handling a couple of cases on the treatment planning side.

You're also just not going to have time as a DDS student to place 50 implants when you have SRP, dentures and class 2's to get taken care of to graduate. You'll have plenty of time to become the ruler of the implant world after you graduate.

 

[Yellow Snow]

I hate to bust your bubble but no one graduating from dental school is an "expert" in any field of dentistry. You graduate from dental school knowing dentistry at an "understanding level" or "novice". It takes a life time of learning to become true masters.

Most general dentists are "find a hole fill a hole" type of dentists. Unfortunately, they dont teach students now a days to find the cause of dental problems but rather their effects.

I don't know about other schools but the last thing we are taught is to just treat the effects of oral health problems. Health promotion and prevention is the focus.

 

[armorshell]

I don't know about other schools but the last thing we are taught is to just treat the effects of oral health problems. Health promotion and prevention is the focus.

I don't think theres a school in the country that doesn't teach this.

 

[ICrownUrTeeth]

I don't know about other schools but the last thing we are taught is to just treat the effects of oral health problems. Health promotion and prevention is the focus.

Well, that is not what i am talking about. Although prevention is the key, you have to be able to diagnosis the problem before enacting prevention.

For example, patient with large carious lesion, the dentists simply crowns the teeth and tell the patient that he isnt brushing and enacts a hygiene protocol. Now, is caries really the cause of the problem(it can be)? Is crowning the tooth the solution? Are you really treating the cause or the effect?

A lot of dentists are trained to look for caries or empty spaces. If your patient is missing a tooth, heck put a bridge, an implant, or an RPD. Do you really know what caused that tooth to be lost? Is it really caries that lead to the lost of that tooth.

If you know the answer and know how to diagnosis and treat what i am referring to, then you are probably trained correctly. (not referring to brushing and flosing, nutrition couseling, or fluoride therapy) I'm referring to something that is probably the most underdiagnosed problem in dentistry.

“Our objective should not be the meticulous restoration of what is missing but the perpetual preservation of what remains” -- mm devan

 

[Wayne Coronado]

If there's one thing that I want to get out of the school, it's becoming a expert at implant dentistry. But, do you think NYU would provide me an environment to learn as much implant as possible if I take the initiative? Can student start learning how to place/restore implant in clinical years? Thank you.

I don't know about NYU, but at Kentucky I placed a couple of implants as well as did some of my classmates. Of course, this only gets accomplished through persistence and showing that your not a joker in the clinic. We had a pretty good deal at our school through Straumann and we could sling implants pretty cheap (at the time ~$600 + ~$275 for the crown) so we got a good experience with restoring implants as well. The OMFS department were more liberal about letting students do the surgery than perio and with the right approach, the OMFS resident (most of them were cool about this) assigned to the case would assist and guide you through the procedure 👍. I did two implants for an overdenture and there is something immensely gratifying about taking a case from the pre-prosthetic phase to the delivery. Just thought I would share my experience...

 

[mmasurf]

well at nyu its required now to place an implant for all mandibular dentures to keep the bone from receding. therefore to answer your question, all the students on rotation get to do or help with implants in the implant department. I dont think there is a requirement on graduating and placing implants but i think it depends on the patient and the case and its very likely most students get implant experience at nyu.

 

[Mackchops]

I don't know if this contributes at all, but I found this as an elective option at NYU -- available by application to four students a year:

This clinical concentration program is designed to give participants a direct hands-on clinical experience and training in implant prosthodontics. Additionally, the student will gain familiarity with the surgical phase of dental implant treatment by serving as the assistant during implant placement surgery. The intent of this course is for students to understand the scope of implant dentistry. Students will, under close supervision of experienced faculty, treat patients of greater complexity than the undergraduate experience allows for. Participating students will be invited to attend the 2-day implant dentistry meeting held anually at NYUCD as well as a number of selected implant dentistry symposia staged in collaboration with other regional schools (e.g. Columbia and New Jersey Dental School). Students interested in implant dentistry or wishing to apply for an advanced education program in implant dentistry, prosthodontics, periodontics or a GPR/AEGD are strongly recommended to apply.

 

[rocknightmare]

i am really impressed discouraged by all these other schools.. at vcu we only get to restore/tx plan implants.. perio department would never allow us to place one.. omfs would probably let if you try hard enough and get to know the residents really well

 

[ICrownUrTeeth]

You don't get to place them. Only assist. You get to be one of Dr. Tarnow's little lackies. 😱 I should say Dr. Tarnow resident's lackie.

I don't know if this contributes at all, but I found this as an elective option at NYU -- available by application to four students a year:

This clinical concentration program is designed to give participants a direct hands-on clinical experience and training in implant prosthodontics. Additionally, the student will gain familiarity with the surgical phase of dental implant treatment by serving as the assistant during implant placement surgery. The intent of this course is for students to understand the scope of implant dentistry. Students will, under close supervision of experienced faculty, treat patients of greater complexity than the undergraduate experience allows for. Participating students will be invited to attend the 2-day implant dentistry meeting held anually at NYUCD as well as a number of selected implant dentistry symposia staged in collaboration with other regional schools (e.g. Columbia and New Jersey Dental School). Students interested in implant dentistry or wishing to apply for an advanced education program in implant dentistry, prosthodontics, periodontics or a GPR/AEGD are strongly recommended to apply.

 

[ICrownUrTeeth]

I don't think you will get any surgical exposure at NYU as an undergraduate student. They have an implant department and a perio department upstairs.

Given the chances, you get to assist during the surgical procedures and that is about it.

well at nyu its required now to place an implant for all mandibular dentures to keep the bone from receding. therefore to answer your question, all the students on rotation get to do or help with implants in the implant department. I dont think there is a requirement on graduating and placing implants but i think it depends on the patient and the case and its very likely most students get implant experience at nyu.

 

[Ewok1984]

I don't think you will get any surgical exposure at NYU as an undergraduate student. They have an implant department and a perio department upstairs.

Given the chances, you get to assist during the surgical procedures and that is about it.

So, I guess there's no point gunning for those implant program to get a implant honor on the D.D.S degree?

I notice NYU offer 4 years to participate in honor programs. But, I am not sure what's the benefit of doing a honor program vs someone who didn't other than having "honor in XXX' on the degree?

 

[pietrodds]

Easy there pre-dental man! You've got a lot to learn before you starting going gung ho with the implants. How bout actually getting into Dschool and starting for one thing?! Implants are a very small, all be it growing, portion of general dentistry. You haven't even taking gross anatomy and you're talking about sticking titanium posts in peoples jaws already. You shouldn't be placing implants unless you know how to restore them. Many of the poorer specialists who place implants are so because they don't understand basic concepts from the restorative end and therefore no one wants to refer them patients. You need to crawl before you are entering marathons. There's so much to learn in 4 years that if you're so focused on one compenent you're going to miss the big picture. For those actually in dental school, learn the fundamentals of implant treatment planning... then restoring implants... and then if time permits(which it probably won't which is why they have residencies and con't ed) surgical placement. Most schools don't even get you comfortable enough doing dental surgeries to allow you to get into implants. You're going to spend your life learning, get the basics down first!!!

 

[Wayne Coronado]

Easy there pre-dental man! You've got a lot to learn before you starting going gung ho with the implants. How bout actually getting into Dschool and starting for one thing?! Implants are a very small, all be it growing, portion of general dentistry. You haven't even taking gross anatomy and you're talking about sticking titanium posts in peoples jaws already. You shouldn't be placing implants unless you know how to restore them. Many of the poorer specialists who place implants are so because they don't understand basic concepts from the restorative end and therefore no one wants to refer them patients. You need to crawl before you are entering marathons. There's so much to learn in 4 years that if you're so focused on one compenent you're going to miss the big picture. For those actually in dental school, learn the fundamentals of implant treatment planning... then restoring implants... and then if time permits(which it probably won't which is why they have residencies and con't ed) surgical placement. Most schools don't even get you comfortable enough doing dental surgeries to allow you to get into implants. You're going to spend your life learning, get the basics down first!!!

You hit it right on the head. Placing the implants is the easy part. Treatment planning and envisioning/materializing final restorations that will be satisfactory to the patient (the one who matters) are the main challenges. IMO, this will demonstrate the true skills of a practitioner...

 

[pietrodds]

I've done over 50 implant cases both surgical and restorative myself, worked in private practice for 3 years, and have learned a couple of things. First, if you want somethng that's going to be very profitable when you graduate, you're about 1000x's better off getting good a endo than learning implant placement... or anything related to implants for that matter. Second, as a GP unless you are in a very large group practice or have dentist friends willing to refer you cases instead of sending them to a specialist it's just not worth the business overhead of doing implants as your referal base is way too small to do them and make money as a solo practitioner. Third, pick one implant system learn it inside and out and stick with just one system. Fourth,.... that's all... I've only learned 3 things.

Implants are pretty great especially if you ever have to pick between a double abutment 5 unit crappy bridge using perio involved teeth or the other option of two implants/crowns.... it's a no brainer in my book! Your goal should always be to just have a nice day. Don't make it harder than it has to be. 🙂

 

[DSpagnoli]

My dad graduated dental school back in 84 when implant technology is not what it is today. He never learned anything about them in dental school - but he routinely does implant restorations now. From what he has told me:

-Learning the restorative end is actually quite simple if you use one implant system for most of your cases. It only gets confusing when you switch around to different systems. (He uses NobleBio care)

I have assisted him and observed him on several implant restorations and it is actually a very straight forward procedure.

He works in collaboration with an Oral Surgeon - refers him patients to place the implant, and then they return to my dad for the restorative end. So it works out quite nicely. I would not be upset if you don't learn too much about implants at NYU. You will have plenty of time to do them and learn in practice. As far as drilling implants, I know general dentists are starting to place these "mini implants" - but you typically don't see them drilling conventional implants in private practice. I definitely would not feel comfortable doing that if I have never really had the experience with it. I plan on sticking to the restorative end of implants 👍

 

[toofshucker]

Don't worry about implants now. Learn the ins and outs of restorative techniques, when to use bridges, when to do RPD's/CD's, etc. When you graduate, there are a TON of implant CE courses. Find one that teaches CT scan implant placement and you will realize that placing implants is one of the easiest procedures to do in dentistry. If you have your patient get a CT scan done and use that to plan the placement of your implant, you will see that implant placement is really monkey work. If you can properly plan the implant (which you will learn at the CE), fit the drill into the hole of the surgical guide, and make sure your rpm's are set right on the drill, you can place an implant.

I think Gordon Christensen said that only about 19% of General Dentists are placing implants right now. That is pathetic. Implants are an amazing tool in restorative dentistry and very, very, very easy to place. MOST GP's should be placing implants and most dentists are more than qualified to do so....they just don't know it yet.

Point is, the better you understand crowns, bridges, and dentures, the better you will be able to use implants AFTER you graduate. Walk before you run.

 

[Wayne Coronado]

Don't worry about implants now. Learn the ins and outs of restorative techniques, when to use bridges, when to do RPD's/CD's, etc. When you graduate, there are a TON of implant CE courses. Find one that teaches CT scan implant placement and you will realize that placing implants is one of the easiest procedures to do in dentistry. If you have your patient get a CT scan done and use that to plan the placement of your implant, you will see that implant placement is really monkey work. If you can properly plan the implant (which you will learn at the CE), fit the drill into the hole of the surgical guide, and make sure your rpm's are set right on the drill, you can place an implant.

I think Gordon Christensen said that only about 19% of General Dentists are placing implants right now. That is pathetic. Implants are an amazing tool in restorative dentistry and very, very, very easy to place. MOST GP's should be placing implants and most dentists are more than qualified to do so....they just don't know it yet.

Point is, the better you understand crowns, bridges, and dentures, the better you will be able to use implants AFTER you graduate. Walk before you run.

Well said. Get the restorative end down pat and later on get the weekend seminar on implant placement. If you want to take it a step further, we offer (at my school) a hands-on cadaver course 4x/year on bony ridge and sinus augmentation. It will cost ya about $2500, but it will provide you with a good springboard to tackling these sorts of cases in your office. Please PM me for details if anyone is interested...

 

[ICrownUrTeeth]

The honor program is more an area of concentration. Ive done one, and i can tell you i didnt learn very much. It just goes on your resume and a notation in the graduation program.

So, I guess there's no point gunning for those implant program to get a implant honor on the D.D.S degree?

I notice NYU offer 4 years to participate in honor programs. But, I am not sure what's the benefit of doing a honor program vs someone who didn't other than having "honor in XXX' on the degree?

 

[ICrownUrTeeth]

Restoring implants is not as easy as you make it sound. Yes torquing an abutment into place and cementing the crown is not hard at all. The hard part is treatment planning the case. Knowing where everything goes and how it will end up in the end.

Esthetic cases are especially hard to restore with implants (especially if you want to preserve the papilla).

I would stay away from the mini-implants. Especially NBiocare. Read the studies done by Alberktson (i think i spelled his name right). Mini-implants are more or less tempories. Yes they do osteointegrate but they fail at a much higher rate.

My dad graduated dental school back in 84 when implant technology is not what it is today. He never learned anything about them in dental school - but he routinely does implant restorations now. From what he has told me:

-Learning the restorative end is actually quite simple if you use one implant system for most of your cases. It only gets confusing when you switch around to different systems. (He uses NobleBio care)

I have assisted him and observed him on several implant restorations and it is actually a very straight forward procedure.

He works in collaboration with an Oral Surgeon - refers him patients to place the implant, and then they return to my dad for the restorative end. So it works out quite nicely. I would not be upset if you don't learn too much about implants at NYU. You will have plenty of time to do them and learn in practice. As far as drilling implants, I know general dentists are starting to place these "mini implants" - but you typically don't see them drilling conventional implants in private practice. I definitely would not feel comfortable doing that if I have never really had the experience with it. I plan on sticking to the restorative end of implants 👍

 

[NSDDS]

NYU has a very good implant program, but it's geared for CE and not necessarily for dental students. Although, when I was there, I would volunteer up there all the time, and actually learned a lot. The implant "guru" at NYU (Dennis Tarnow) is an exceptional teacher and is always willing to help out if you seek it. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the basic knowledge will be taught to you as requirements (not to the point where you'll feel comfortable placing them), but if you are proactive, you can certainly learn a lot more.

 

[SourKsRevenge]

I am a student a the OSU college of dentistry. No pre-doc has placed an implant to my knowledge. Although people claim the have placed dental implants in school, I question it even if it were true. The treatment is expensive so a small % get implants. Those patients that do get implants end up in perio, omfs, or gpr. I have 6 months of schooling left to place an implant. I am pushing is this with our implant clinic director, as this certainly is the future.

I want to ask a question of all of pre-doc students, in specific 3rd/4th year students. How much do you know about implant dentistry? What books have you read, what ce courses have you taken, what additional info have you acquired, and what surgical experience have you had?

I have assisted for a significant number of implant placement and crowns as well as a few overdenture relines/housing replacements, hybrid deliveries, sinus lifts, and bone expansions. My 4th yr case presentation is 6 implants under 10 PFM crowns, the surgery is CT guided and flapless, and a provisional restoration will be placed in function the day of the surgery and healed 3 mnths before the final is delivered.

 

[Khurram]

I'm a D4 At NYU and as far as I know- NO predoc students have been allowed to place implants. Even the oral surgery honor students have not placed any implants according to one of my friends who is in the honors program.

You do get to restore an implant crown and it's actually a requirement.

You will get lots of experience treatment planning for an implant and restoring a few but I highly doubt you will place one as a predoc..

 

[dfordat]

I'm a D4 At NYU and as far as I know- NO predoc students have been allowed to place implants. Even the oral surgery honor students have not placed any implants according to one of my friends who is in the honors program.

You do get to restore an implant crown and it's actually a requirement.

You will get lots of experience treatment planning for an implant and restoring a few but I highly doubt you will place one as a predoc..

You are a D4 at NYU. I actually got into NYU dental school and needed to ask some questions to current students in order for me to get a better idea about the school. How are the first year and second years curriculum like? Is the grading system very difficult, btcasue that is what i have heard from a few other students. They say that the grading system for exams is hard because there are a lot of students and they want to be selestive. Is that true? I really liked the school when I went for an interview there. Also, do you guys have exams every week or is it after 2-3 weeks? How is the grading system like, are some courses pass/fail? Also, how are the requiremtsn for NYU, the clinical requirements. Are they comparative to other schools? Is it hard to geta chair there? How is it like when in 3rd year , international students also join the class? Also, how is the living in NY? Does NYU have dorms or apartments for dental students near the school? Where do students usually live? How much is the cost of a one bedroom apartment in Ny near the school. What areas do most students live in? Would you recommend students to come here if they also got into other schools? I really appreciate your help in answering my questions. I am sorry if there are too many but it will help me alot. Thank you so much.