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This is purely an educational question. Sincerely wondering. What about 3.8 and 4.0?
What about the reality where Hitler cured cancer? The answer is don't think about it.This is purely an educational question. Sincerely wondering. What about 3.8 and 4.0?
Says people without 4.0s 😉.A 3.8 or 3.9 would show them you are human and NOT a perfectionist automaton.
A 4.0 is like virginity. There usually comes a good time to lose it.
I thought I was!Be gentle with the premeds
I thought I was!
OMG...you and @Goro will have a field day with puns on this one.I didnt see anything that might lubricate this thread
Well, we could have a ball with this, but I dont want to screw around , especially with inexperienced readers. In fact, I think I will just withdrawOMG...you and @Goro will have a field day with puns on this one.![]()
Careful, the moderators might gag you if you keep poking us delicate flowers.Well, we could have a ball with this, but I dont want to screw around with this, especially with inexperienced readers. In fact, I think I will just withdraw
Careful, the moderators might gag you if you step keep poking us delicate flowers.
I ever doubt my humanity, I usually just Deep Space 9 it... so far its worked for me.Yeah be careful with us. Some of us will start asking things like "I have a 4.0; should I get an A- to make myself look human?"
I sob over that. Those two A-'s really screwed me over. At this point the highest GPA I can get is a 3.99Be gentle with the premeds
Yeah except it wasn't the best feeling in the world 🙁A 4.0 is like virginity. There usually comes a good time to lose it.
We premeds are not born into this world fumbling for meaning, Jerry! We are created to serve a singular purpose for which we will go to any lengths to fulfill! GPA is pain to a premed, Jerry!What about the reality where Hitler cured cancer? The answer is don't think about it.
Am I human with a 3.95?A 3.8 or 3.9 would show them you are human and NOT a perfectionist automaton.
And we will do anything to alleviate that pain!We premeds are not born into this world fumbling for meaning, Jerry! We are created to serve a singular purpose for which we will go to any lengths to fulfill! GPA is pain to a premed, Jerry!
We premeds are not born into this world fumbling for meaning, Jerry! We are created to serve a singular purpose for which we will go to any lengths to fulfill! GPA is pain to a premed, Jerry!
A 3.7 is median. 3.6 is below median. The latter is also at the 10th %ile for Harvard/Stanford and Pitt/Northwestern class schools. But fine for tons of state schools and others. Thus, it depends upon your target list.What about a 3.6 and a 3.7?
Actually at the top end, sGPA and cGPA medians are usually the same. From Goro's examples above, cGPA and sGPA respectively:so a 3.8-3.9 gpa and 3.7 sgpa would still be looked upon favorably at top schools, even though the sgpa is 0.1-0.2 points lower?
It's actually very interesting. It shows that at the highest level, the difficulty of the course is fairly irrelevant, which demonstrates not only intelligence, but a willingness to work hard. I think that would be an interesting metric, more useful than the individual GPAs.Actually at the top end, sGPA and cGPA medians are usually the same. From Goro's examples above, cGPA and sGPA respectively:
Harvard 3.92 / 3.93
Stanford 3.89 / 3.90
Northwestern 3.90 / 3.89
Pitt 3.85 / 3.84
A 3.70 sGPA is going to be on the low side
Actually at the top end, sGPA and cGPA medians are usually the same. From Goro's examples above, cGPA and sGPA respectively:
Harvard 3.92 / 3.93
Stanford 3.89 / 3.90
Northwestern 3.90 / 3.89
Pitt 3.85 / 3.84
A 3.70 sGPA is going to be on the low side
MSAR reports 3.92 /3.93 medians for Harvard admits (and 3.91 / 3.93 medians for matriculants)I thought those schools all had Avg GPAs around 3.8, especially Harvard?
Though, depending on undergraduate major, one may have less time to devote to various classes.It's actually very interesting. It shows that at the highest level, the difficulty of the course is fairly irrelevant, which demonstrates not only intelligence, but a willingness to work hard. I think that would be an interesting metric, more useful than the individual GPAs.
What about this?MSAR reports 3.92 /3.93 medians for Harvard admits (and 3.91 / 3.93 medians for matriculants)
In fact a 3.80 would be bottom quartile
Avg vs median/IQR difference. They probably have a handful of people deep in the left tail (nontrads/SMP/postbacc/amazing life story/URM with very high MCAT/etc) that skew the average much lower than the median. MSAR data don't lie, it's generated directly from AMCAS, their average is just very misleading because it falls between their 10th-25th percentiles.
This is why we use resistant descriptive stats.
That's sort of the point right? For the highest achievers, I think looking at how closely the science and non-science GPAs align is a pretty good metric. It should, to a certain extent, legitimize the high cumulative GPA.Though, depending on undergraduate major, one may have less time to devote to various classes.
Alternatively, could be that at undergrads feeding Top 20s, science grade inflation and/or rigor is more similar to cumulative inflation and/or rigor than is true nationally.That's sort of the point right? For the highest achievers, I think looking at how closely the science and non-science GPAs align is a pretty good metric. It should, to a certain extent, legitimize the high cumulative GPA.
To account for that, you need to look at the MCAT score. Though it has its fair share of problems, it is the great equalizer as far as grade inflation is concerned.Alternatively, could be that at undergrads feeding Top 20s, science grade inflation and/or rigor is more similar to cumulative inflation and/or rigor than is true nationally.
Sure, it's a logical way to screen thousands of applicants before looking at them as individuals. I must note though that I'm spending 60-80% of my time on "non science" classes like introductory quantum theory and design of thermal systems. It's my choice to do so, but there is a constant nagging voice in the back of my head that I'm killing my chances of becoming a Physician by challenging myself.That's sort of the point right? For the highest achievers, I think looking at how closely the science and non-science GPAs align is a pretty good metric. It should, to a certain extent, legitimize the high cumulative GPA.
Typo? Those sound like science classes to meI must note though that I'm spending 60-80% of my time on "non science" classes like introductory quantum theory and design of thermal systems.
Eh, I take those kinds of risks too. Life's more interesting that way. Besides, if you can overcome the challenge, then you'll be that much more prepared for medical school, which really will be difficult.Sure, it's a logical way to screen thousands of applicants before looking at them as individuals. I must note though that I'm spending 60-80% of my time on "non science" classes like introductory quantum theory and design of thermal systems. It's my choice to do so, but there is a constant nagging voice in the back of my head that I'm killing my chances of becoming a Physician by challenging myself.
https://aamc-orange.global.ssl.fast...ab328dc/amcas_course_classification_guide.pdfTypo? Those sound like science classes to me
It's definitely worth it, I love what I'm doing with engineering. I figure that if I can clear the initial GPA hurdle and be looked at as an individual, I have a decent chance of getting in somewhere. It's just that initial hurdle which doesn't take rigor of study, school, ECs, projects, publications, motivation to become a Physician, or anything else into account that keeps me up at night.Gotcha didn't realize they were engineering classes. I do think most premeds, if they took an engineering major, would be hurting their odds a bit. But that doesn't mean it isn't worth it
How bad are we talking? Like a 3.3 engineering GPA yeah, that's going to be a problem. But if you pull a 3.6-3.7 or something and do great on the MCAT, you'll get the rest looked at for sure.It's definitely worth it, I love what I'm doing with engineering. I figure that if I can clear the initial GPA hurdle and be looked at as an individual, I have a decent chance of getting in somewhere. It's just that initial hurdle which doesn't take rigor of study, school, ECs, projects, publications, motivation to become a Physician, or anything else into account that keeps me up at night.
Closer to 3.7. I'll focus on getting as good a score on the MCAT as possible over the next few months. Thanks for the words of encouragement.How bad are we talking? Like a 3.3 engineering GPA yeah, that's going to be a problem. But if you pull a 3.6-3.7 or something and do great on the MCAT, you'll get the rest looked at for sure.
You're doing an excellent job. Good luck!Closer to 3.7. I'll focus on getting as good a score on the MCAT as possible over the next few months. Thanks for the words of encouragement.
does Comp. Sci count as engineering in the eyes of an adcom? Almost all the schools I know classify it as an engineering major...