How much of an effect does being URM do for an application?

[Sandstorm]

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Privilege privilege privilege

Some people are wearing blinders here. Can white people be discriminated against in a specific situation or context? Sure. But is there a systemic, institutionalized discrimination against whites? Not at all. Not in the same way that minority groups experience. If you can't recognize this, I don't know what to tell you.

I didn't say it doesn't actually happen both ways. I'm saying only one way is allowed, endorsed, socially acceptable and that's crap.

Neither should be ok....but it's crap that it's only allowed to go one way.

 

[brandonh4]

Privilege privilege privilege

Some people are wearing blinders here. Can white people be discriminated against in a specific situation or context? Sure. But is there a systemic, institutionalized discrimination against whites? Not at all. Not in the same way that minority groups experience. If you can't recognize this, I don't know what to tell you.

So we should answer racism/discrimination with racism/discrimination.

Just want to make sure I'm on the right track here.

Not saying this isn't how we have to handle health care- maybe for now we go along with it. But can we seriously stop celebrating it as a beautiful thing? It's not beautiful, it's ugly whether the patients do it or the doctors do it.

TIME TO MAKE SOME CHANGE PEOPLE.

 

[LizzyM]

asdf

Would you mind moving the [/quote] in your message referenced above so that it does not appear that the comment about Al Sharpton is a quote from me? Thank you.

 

[Poetic Silence]

So we're gonna go ahead and lower academic standards for people so they can treat a diverse patient population? How does that benefit the patient besides give him a potentially sh**ty doctor?? Weeelllll so long as he identify and communicate with the patient who cares right?

Next time I go to the hospital, I'm demanding a white doctor from a middle-class background. I can't communicate with latino ones all too well. We just don't identify.

God I had no idea adults and politicians could be this dumb.

Better med school applicant:

Applicant A: White male with a desire to help others. Speaks English fluently. GPA: 3.8; MCAT: 32.

Applicant B: Mexican American male with a passion for serving those of Latin American and Spanish heritage. Speaks both English and Spanish fluently and understands both Hispanic and American cultures. GPA: 3.5; MCAT: 28.

Yeah, I'd take applicant B any day.

 

[brandonh4]

Would you mind moving the in your message referenced above so that it does not appear that the comment about Al Sharpton is a quote from me? Thank you.

Done, don't want anyone to mistake you for the a**hole. You're welcome.

Anyways, I'm tired. It's been fun guys.

 

[Sandstorm]

Better med school applicant:

Applicant A: White male with a desire to help others. Speaks English fluently. GPA: 3.8; MCAT: 32.

Applicant B: Mexican American male with a passion for serving those of Latin American and Spanish heritage. Speaks both English and Spanish fluently and understands both Hispanic and American cultures. GPA: 3.5; MCAT: 28.

Yeah, I'd take applicant B any day.

...so how would you react if I said applicant a was passionate about the caucasian heritage and thoroughly understood it and wanted to help the whites?



...he'd be called a racist, ammiright!?!

 

[NickNaylor]

So, we're catering to their racism. I had always understood racism to be a bad thing, but I guess we're cool with it unless white people do it. Like I said, next time I'm at the doctor's office I'm gonna go ahead and ask for a white doctor. We'll see how far that gets me.

Gosh I guess there's no hope for me after all.

You're entirely ignoring the patient care-centered argument in favor of this misguided racism argument. You also fail to differentiate between how things ought to be ("racism is bad! we shouldn't have it!") and how they are (racism exists, and while we wish it didn't, let's try and give people the best care possible within that framework).

Unless of course you think that people receiving substandard care is morally justifiable in a crusade against racism.

 

[Arbor Vitae]

Hopefully there is no advantage because I am a white male and it's BS that someone should have lower standards because of their race.

 

[lobo.solo]

...so how would you react if I said applicant a was passionate about the caucasian heritage and thoroughly understood it and wanted to help the whites?

...he'd be called a racist, ammiright!?!

Sure, that's a great point...But I would argue that since almost half the class is white and they "all" are wanting to help the whites, I would take applicant B because there is only 6% of the class that wants to help Latinos, which is a fast growing population that doesn't have many physicians wanting to help them

 

[Poetic Silence]

...so how would you react if I said applicant a was passionate about the caucasian heritage and thoroughly understood it and wanted to help the whites?



...he'd be called a racist, ammiright!?!

White people don't have cultural blocks or linguistic barriers preventing them from getting adequate and compassionate medical care.

As the son of a Mexican immigrant, I've seen first hand how difficult it is to get the resources you need when you don't understand most of what the doctors are saying.

It's for that reason that I want to emphasize my passion for treating the culturally Deaf in our country. Being a Deaf American has affected me in many of the same ways being Spanish has affected my parent.

 

[TheShaker]

White people don't have cultural blocks or linguistic barriers preventing them from getting adequate and compassionate medical care.

As the son of a Mexican immigrant, I've seen first hand how difficult it is to get the resources you need when you don't understand most of what the doctors are saying.

It's for that reason that I want to emphasize my passion for treating the culturally Deaf in our country. Being a Deaf American has affected me in many of the same ways being Spanish has affected my parent.

Well that explains the username.

 

[Sandstorm]

Sure, that's a great point...But I would argue that since almost half the class is white and they "all" are wanting to help the whites, I would take applicant B because there is only 6% of the class that wants to help Latinos, which is a fast growing population that doesn't have many physicians wanting to help them

And you base the idea that the white doctors do not want to help the Hispanics, only the whites, on what exactly?

 

[jjesque]

...so how would you react if I said applicant a was passionate about the caucasian heritage and thoroughly understood it and wanted to help the whites?



...he'd be called a racist, ammiright!?!

Here's my view.

In some countries, where doctors to treat foreigners (whites) are few and far between, doctors who want to focus on treating whites are sought after.

In the US, white physicians are not underrepresented and white patients are the most common patients. In the typical academic med center, there is no shortage of white patients. In the typical clinic, there is no shortage of white patients. You will encounter more than enough white patients throughout your career. Thus, to go out of your way to say you want to treat white patients appears racist as it implies that you will reject patients of other races. It would be akin to a black applicant saying they will only ever treat black patients and will at all costs avoid treating any others -- that applicant would not do well either, IMO.

 

[Sandstorm]

Here's my view.

In some countries, where doctors to treat foreigners (whites) are few and far between, doctors who want to focus on treating whites are sought after.

In the US, white physicians are not underrepresented and white patients are the most common patients. In the typical academic med center, there is no shortage of white patients. In the typical clinic, there is no shortage of white patients. You will encounter more than enough white patients throughout your career. Thus, to go out of your way to say you want to treat white patients appears racist as it implies that you will reject patients of other races. It would be akin to a black applicant saying they will only ever treat black patients and will at all costs avoid treating any others -- that applicant would not do well either, IMO.

...but to say I want to treat Hispanic patients will give me a leg up in the application process.

 

[Jaqen Hghar]

Well, it's good to know that this thread is exactly on track with the other 1000 URM threads...

The "URM advantage" has nothing to do with skin color, but rather the historical and present socioeconomical DISadvantage that the AVERAGE person of color experiences compared to the average white male. The URM advantage is a civilized society's attempt to correct for the disadvantage, and while it is not perfect, it is better than nothing.

*sigh* The "URM advantage" has nothing to do with affirmative action.

So we're gonna go ahead and lower academic standards for people so they can treat a diverse patient population? How does that benefit the patient besides give him a potentially sh**ty doctor?? Weeelllll so long as he identify and communicate with the patient who cares right?

Next time I go to the hospital, I'm demanding a white doctor from a middle-class background. I can't communicate with latino ones all too well. We just don't identify.

God I had no idea adults and politicians could be this dumb.

Someone always says that UNDERGRADUATE performance will make someone a bad doctor.

Nah, that won't fly. Don't you know it's only socially acceptable for racism to go one way these days?

I mean...we have BET but imagine the backlash if a WET showed up. Omigosh you're such a racisssssstrttt

White Entertainment Television, right on schedule.

 

[lobo.solo]

And you base the idea that the white doctors do not want to help the Hispanics, only the whites, on what exactly?

Sorry, my post came off the wrong way. Yes, there are Caucasians that want to help Hispanics. I know a few and they are cool people, they even learned Spanish. But to my point... minority communities (mostly poor) still have a need for doctors that want to serve in those communities, that's why a minority (black, hispanic, native american) applicant would be more "desirable" because it is most likely that they serve those populations (there paper on this, in pubmed). In short, what is the big deal about URMs? they only make up a very small percentage in med school and that is including the med schools that historically take those applicants, like schools in puerto rico, howard, etc.

 

[pharmolu]

I think the main reason a lot of people do not understand URM is because they are disillusioned of what it is necessary to succeed as a doctor. One does not need a 3.8 GPA and a 41 MCAT to succeed academically as a doctor. The problem is, when 1000 people are applying for 100 spots, some sort of quantitative measure has to be used. That doesn't mean someone with a 3.1 GPA and 29 MCAT would not be able to survive as a doctor or even make an discernibly less informed doctor, the school simply does not have the resources defined by the LMCE to support all the students. It it much like Harvard undergrad; do you really think that the people would get 3.8GPA and a 1400 SAT would not thrive at Harvard? the problem is, Harvard only has (I think, don't quote me here) spots for 3% of the applicants, so some system has to be used to get those spots and a lot of well deserving people don't get into the Ivy that they want

This goes back to LizzyM's point; other than Acedemic profinency, the LMCE requires diversity. so, if a school lets in a URM that has a 3.1 GPA and 29 MCAT, they are not saying that the URM is incompetent, but that he/she brings a different view of life to the table, that can be useful to patients, other doctors and the profession as a whole.

 

[Poetic Silence]

And you base the idea that the white doctors do not want to help the Hispanics, only the whites, on what exactly?

It's not just about who wants to help, it's also about who's the best person for the role. Who is more likely to desire having a practice in a Mexican American community or an African American community or a Native American community? Their respected ethnicities, that's who. That's why URM exists, in my opinion. Because we go back to our communities to serve our populations as respected leaders and mentors to our community.

 

[jjesque]

...but to say I want to treat Hispanic patients will give me a leg up in the application process.

Did you understand my post?? Again, to say I want to treat Hispanic patients does not imply that I want to treat only Hispanic patients. Underrepresented patient populations often require special care - -they have unique health issues but do not access health care in the same patterns as white patients. These populations are understudied -- historically, most research has focused on white populations and we are only now beginning to study racial disparities in health. Sometimes, proper care for underrepresented populations involves working in the community and working alongside social/psych/etc. services. Thus, it is often a special challenge to target underrepresented patient populations -- which is why it is a "leg up" to say you want to work with them.

Similarly, someone who says they want to work with the poor might get a leg up, while someone who wants to work with the rich is ignored.

 

[LizzyM]

You obviously know better - do they pass the boards with higher scores? If so, then yes, we should limit admission on that basis. If not, then why the heck are we using the MCAT as an admissions standard anyway?

Maybe Al Sharpton would say that, but if you asked a piss-poor 80 year old black granny what she prefers for her grandson- a black doctor who got into medical school with reduced standards, or does she want an academically gifted white doctor who excelled in his class. I'm gonna guess the latter, but then again I'm an ignorant white male who had everything handed to him. I understand doctors have to be leaders and care about the community they serve - but do we have to do that by segregating doctors with potentially-compromised academic ability? Is that really the best option? Seems a little backwards to me...

Ever hear the expression P = MD? If you pass the licensing exam, you are a licenced physician. Are physicians with the highest scores the best physicians? By what measure? Are there skills that are not measured by the Step 1 exam?

The proportion of medical students who pass the boards is the same among those with MCAT of 26, 27, 28 and so forth up through the 30s. Likewise, the proportion who finish in 4 years or who finish in 5 years (in both cases, the proportion is above 95%) is flat for applicants with MCATs above 26 (below 26 there is a linear relationship between score and proportion passing/graduating.)


Is the brilliant white physician with the sterling credentials going to go to Backwater, Mississippi for the rest of his life to treat grannies with hypertension and congestive heart failure?

 

[Tummytroubles]

We aren't born on a level playing field and the US system of education (particularly the local funding of public schools through property taxes) makes the playing field even more uneven as time goes on. Activities that give potential applicants of diverse backgrounds access to opportunities to improve their chances of being admitted to medical school are admirable, IMHO.

Money only matters if the students actually use the resources it provides.
Most kids who go to poorly funded school know it is not the lack of money that is causing students to do poorly.The main culprit is motivation.

I went to a lot of schools as a kid and even the schools the government labeled "failing" can produce kids who can make it to a good college. Maybe not Harvard but top 100 and 50 for sure.

At my school, most students did not have Algebra until my senior year which was after I took the SATs, did that hurt a lot of students,yes. But enough to keep them out of a state school? No. I sat down with a SAT book and taught myself and did reasonably well.

I don't think the Ivy league would have been within reach for someone from my school but a good college was very possible if they student had the motivation. Money only helps those that are motivated, the majority of students don't benefit at all from it and will still drop out even if their school has new computers.
Don't get me wrong, more money would have helped me a lot but it would have been wasted on the majority of my classmates.

I appreciate med schools trying to make the field more equal but as a non-URM, it really does nothing for me. True I can add "diversity" to a class but at the lower tier meidcal schools I am aiming for, low income students aren't that rare. It is hard but possible to get 3.5+ while working in college, it is a lot harder to get 3.8+.

 

[ShenanigansMD]

It doesn't matter whether or not URM helps, let adcoms worry about that. Just look at the things you have under your control and emphasize those during the interview/application.

 

[sliceofbread136]

White people don't have cultural blocks or linguistic barriers preventing them from getting adequate and compassionate medical care.

As the son of a Mexican immigrant, I've seen first hand how difficult it is to get the resources you need when you don't understand most of what the doctors are saying.

It's for that reason that I want to emphasize my passion for treating the culturally Deaf in our country. Being a Deaf American has affected me in many of the same ways being Spanish has affected my parent.

Lol what. There are plenty of white immigrants who don't speak english and have very different cultures....

 

[LizzyM]

Money only matters if the students actually use the resources it provides.
Most kids who go to poorly funded school know it is not the lack of money that is causing students to do poorly.The main culprit is motivation.

I went to a lot of schools as a kid and even the schools the goverment labeled "failing" can produce kids who can make it to a good college. Maybe not Harvard but top 100 and 50 for sure.

At my school, I did not have Alegebra until my senior year which was after I took the SATs, did that hurt a lot of students,yes. But engough to keep them out of a state school? No. I sat down with a SAT book and taught myself and did reasonably well.

I don't think the Ivy league would have been within reach for someoene from my school but a good college was very possible if they student had the motivation. Money only helps those that are motivated, the majority of students don't benefit at all from it and will still drop out even if their school has new computers.
Don't get me wrong, more money would have helped me a lot but it would have been wasted on the majority of my classmates.

Obviously, your school didn't put an emphasis on spelling or proofreading. 🙄

If the school didn't matter, wealthy parents in big cities would send their kids to the local public school rather than paying $20,000/yr or more for private schools. As long as the kid is motivated, what else matters??

Class size matters, the education and motivation of the teachers and administrators matter, the quality of the facilities matter (some schools in poor school districts are dirty, run-down, over-crowded, and ill-equiped). If society is unwilling to expend resources on some children, what message does that send to those children? Is it any wonder that those children do not succeed. Stop blaming the victim and face the fact that the playing field is not level and there need to be policy changes to make that happen.

 

[TipToad]

Class size matters, the education and motivation of the teachers and administrators matter, the quality of the facilities matter (some schools in poor school districts are dirty, run-down, over-crowded, and ill-equiped). If society is unwilling to expend resources on some children, what message does that send to those children? Is it any wonder that those children do not succeed. Stop blaming the victim and face the fact that the playing field is not level and there need to be policy changes to make that happen.

👍 👍

In the end, arguing about URM is similar to arguing about the gays or abortion or any other social wedge. It just can't be done.

 

[FattySlug]

how did it derail?

I guess I don't need to answer this question anymore

 

[MusicJunkie]

you're entirely ignoring the patient care-centered argument in favor of this misguided racism argument. You also fail to differentiate between how things ought to be ("racism is bad! We shouldn't have it!") and how they are (racism exists, and while we wish it didn't, let's try and give people the best care possible within that framework).

Unless of course you think that people receiving substandard care is morally justifiable in a crusade against racism.

+1.

 

[Freesia88]

My God...this never gets old...🙁

All I have to say is that if life was perfect and EVERYBODY had the same things in life as the other, the same education, the same financial support; the same culture, the same skin color, the same language, the same protection from wrong...the same life circumstances...for lack of a better term, then things like Affirmative Action, the so called "URM Advantage" and all other programs designed to assist people who likely have had it worse or coninue to have it worse than others would be unecessary and obsolete.

But life is not perfect is it?

Edit: And I agree with NickNaylor, maybe we need to stop focusing on what makes us feel vindicated and focus on what the needs of the PATIENTS are.

 

[Sandstorm]

My God...this never gets old...🙁

All I have to say is that if life was perfect and EVERYBODY had the same things in life as the other, the same education, the same financial support; the same culture, the same skin color, the same language, the same protection from wrong...the same life circumstances...for lack of a better term, then things like Affirmative Action, the so called "URM Advantage" and all other programs designed to assist people who likely have had it worse or coninue to have it worse than others would be unecessary and obsolete.

But life is not perfect is it?

Edit: And I agree with NickNaylor, maybe we need to stop focusing on what makes us feel vindicated and focus on what the needs of the PATIENTS are.

Hey that's fine let's help people who havent had the same upbringing.. But why does that translate into race lines? **** I grew up in an extremely poor family parents had no college education etc etc but I was held to the same standards as the rest of the applicants.

 

[Arbor Vitae]

Hey that's fine let's help people who havent had the same upbringing.. But why does that translate into race lines? **** I grew up in an extremely poor family parents had no college education etc etc but I was held to the same standards as the rest of the applicants.

They do take into account being financially disadvantaged.

 

[Sandstorm]

They do take into account being financially disadvantaged.

I assure you it's nowhere near being urm

 

[PreMedOrDead]

This is all that needs to be said:

[youtube]TG4f9zR5yzY[/youtube]

/urm

 

[Freesia88]

Hey that's fine let's help people who havent had the same upbringing.. But why does that translate into race lines? **** I grew up in an extremely poor family parents had no college education etc etc but I was held to the same standards as the rest of the applicants.

I am sorry that things were hard for you growing up.

I am not sure what race you are or if you are a minority but I am going to use statistics and assume you are white.

Now think about this. What percentage of white people as compared to minorities grew up in conditions like yours? Likely lower. And seeing as asians have the second highest per capita income in the US after whites, I am going to say that there are not as many asians as there are other minorities who grew up dirt poor. This is pure conjecture though so don't quote me.

So it is likely that more whites and asians have advantages that other minorities do not have, especially better educational opportunities.

If there was a fixed academic standard that ALL med school applicants had to meet, which did not cater to other factors, guess which people will dominate med schools? Yup... And perhaps that explains why white students are the majority and asians are now being called an OVER-Represented minority (methinks at one point they benefited from the "URM advantage" too)

Life is not fair. We all have to deal with various versions of this simple fact.

 

[Arbor Vitae]

I assure you it's nowhere near being urm

With good reason. White people have an advantage in every facet of society. African-Americans were only allowed to pursue higher education within the last century.

 

[Sandstorm]

This is all that needs to be said:

[youtube]TG4f9zR5yzY[/youtube]

Ahahahah

 

[Tummytroubles]

Obviously, your school didn't put an emphasis on spelling or proofreading. 🙄

If the school didn't matter, wealthy parents in big cities would send their kids to the local public school rather than paying $20,000/yr or more for private schools. As long as the kid is motivated, what else matters??

Class size matters, the education and motivation of the teachers and administrators matter, the quality of the facilities matter (some schools in poor school districts are dirty, run-down, over-crowded, and ill-equiped). If society is unwilling to expend resources on some children, what message does that send to those children? Is it any wonder that those children do not succeed. Stop blaming the victim and face the fact that the playing field is not level and there need to be policy changes to make that happen.

I look at this forum on my breaks on my phone so I apologize for the poor proof reading.

I'm not saying that there isn't a difference between schools but it is not enough to justify the difference in performance. I don't like how adults especially ones from middle and high incomes makes excuses for low income kids while holding their own kids to a higher standard.

Our school district had 1 school with a well known honors program. They had to start enforcing residency rules because well to do suburban families were sending their kids to the school and they were taking up all the spots in the school's honor's program. Once they started enforcing the rule, the program was in jeopardy because not enough students that actually lived in the district were interested.

My significant other went to an expensive private school from k-12 and a private college. He feels I got the better education because of the larger selection I had in courses and we would never think of sending our kids to a private school because if a child is motivated, the can succeed. A nice public school in the suburbs will blow most private schools out of the water when it comes to an overachiever because even at 20,000 a year, the resources available to the public schooler will be better.

If throwing money at the problem makes you feel better go for it but it has little to no affect. Until parents, students, and society as a whole starts expecting as much from these students as their middle class counterparts, nothing is going to change. Instead of class room sizes maybe the money should be spent on mentor ship programs, anything to motivate kids to take their education seriously.

I'm not blaming the students. I blame all the adults that expect so little from them and hold them to that low standard.

 

[Freesia88]

I look at this forum on my breaks on my phone so I apologize for the poor proof reading.

I'm not saying that there isn't a difference between schools but it is not engough to justify the difference in performace. I don't like how adults especially ones from middle and high incomes makes excuses for low income kids while holding their own kids to a higher standard.

Our school district had 1 school with a well known honors program. They had to start enforcing residency rules because well to do suburban families were sending their kids to the school and they were taking up all the spots in the school's honor's program. Once they started enforcing the rule, the program was in jeopardy because not enough students that actually lived in the district were interested.

My significant other went to an expensive private school from k-12 and a private college. He feels I got the better education because of the larger selection I had in courses and we would never think of sending our kids to a private school because if a child is motivated, the can succeed.

If throwing money at the problem makes you feel better go for it but it has little to no affect. Until parents, students, and society as a whole starts expecting as much from these students as their middle class counterparts, nothing is going to change. Instead of class room sizes maybe the money should be spent on mentor ship programs, anything to motivate kids to take their education seriously.

To quote Lyndon Johnson (and someone else on this site):

"You do not wipe away the scars of centuries by saying: 'now, you are free to go where you want, do as you desire, and choose the leaders you please.' You do not take a man who for years has been hobbled by chains, liberate him, bring him to the starting line of a race, saying, "you are free to compete with all the others," and still justly believe you have been completely fair... This is the next and more profound stage of the battle for civil rights. We seek not just freedom but opportunity—not just legal equity but human ability—not just equality as a right and a theory, but equality as a fact and as a result."

This applies not just to blacks bu to all minorities who still suffer some kind of discrimination or disadvantage because they were "unlucky" to be born minorities.

 

[Coldsoldier]

To quote Lyndon Johnson (and someone else on this site):

"You do not wipe away the scars of centuries by saying: 'now, you are free to go where you want, do as you desire, and choose the leaders you please.' You do not take a man who for years has been hobbled by chains, liberate him, bring him to the starting line of a race, saying, "you are free to compete with all the others," and still justly believe you have been completely fair... This is the next and more profound stage of the battle for civil rights. We seek not just freedom but opportunity—not just legal equity but human ability—not just equality as a right and a theory, but equality as a fact and as a result."

This applies not just to blacks bu to all minorities who still suffer some kind of discrimination or disadvantage because they were "unlucky" to be born minorities.

Applying a quote meant for generations to a situation dealing with individuals doesn't exactly build credibility. It would hold more ground if we were talking about former slaves or people from oppressed times, but we are not.

I agree with the overall message of the quote but in today's time it isn't so black and white. To assume that all blacks are automatically more disadvantaged to others simply because of their skin color or ancestry is ludicrous and naive. Its a generalization that although holds some truth, creates a mindset of black and white making it weak to arguments especially when these disadvantages are almost completely based on the individual's experiences and does not speak for the entire population.

And as you said, it applies to all minorities but most of them are held to the same if not higher standards.

 

[Tummytroubles]

Before everyone thinks I hate low income kids. I am very commited to making sure low income kids have a chance at an education and if you spent any time in a low income school as a teacher or volunteer, you realize the problem is more complex than just poorly funded schools.

 

[Narmerguy]

It hasn't even been 10 hours yet and this puppy's on track to hit the third page already. We should keep a record for which URM thread gets the most responses in a 12 hour period, bonus points the longer it takes for the constitution to come up.

 

[TheMightySmiter]

URMs should just go to crackpot DO schools where they belong, because they all have lower stats than white and Asian people.

 

[SpecterGT260]

It hasn't even been 10 hours yet and this puppy's on track to hit the third page already. We should keep a record for which URM thread gets the most responses in a 12 hour period, bonus points the longer it takes for the constitution to come up.

do we count this?

 

[Copernicium]

Nah, that won't fly. Don't you know it's only socially acceptable for racism to go one way these days?

I mean...we have BET but imagine the backlash if a WET showed up. Omigosh you're such a racisssssstrttt

WET is every channel that isn't BET.

 

[Yonko Shanks]

If anyone who scores at least a 26 on the MCAT has just as much chance of successfully completing medical school and passing the board exams as someone who scores a 35, should we limit admission to medical school to those people who have scored 30 or higher because they are "better"?

Some communities would prefer a qualified physician who is genuinely interested in their well being and the practice of primary care. They know that the smartest, most highly qualified physicians who want to subspecialize are not necessarily the people who have any interest in their piss-poor communities or the provision of the services that they need.

LizzyM you are so right. I am glad to hear that a adcom actually understands why URMs get a little bit of help. What most people on SDN don't understand is that not everyone has parents who make 200k a year or even 50k a year. But whatever, Haters gonna hate. They also don't understand that people in underserved communities need doctors too..

 

[Yonko Shanks]

URMs should just go to crackpot DO schools where they belong, because they all have lower stats than white and Asian people.

While their at it they can put a sign that says Whites only.

 

[SpecterGT260]

WET is every channel that isn't BET + anything that has ever had a Tyler Perry marathon.

👍

 

[SpecterGT260]

Your sir are one ignorant ****.

SHE was being sarcastic 🙄

srsly... the gender is in the sig of the post you quoted.

 

[Yonko Shanks]

SHE was being sarcastic 🙄

srsly... the gender is in the sig of the post you quoted.

Then I retract my statement and say sorry. I only read that post. Sorry for my ignorance too then 🙂. I should have read every post.

 

[Coldsoldier]

WET is every channel that isn't BET.

I've heard this alot and quite frankly it doesn't make any sense. Every channel tries to appeal to an audience regardless of their race. Are you implying that because said TV shows don't fit whatever subjective ideals you have to gather the focus of African-Americans it must only care about white people? Well that just doesn't make any sense to me good sir. I guess all the Hispanic, Asian, and native american programs on various channels are all apart of WET as well.

 

[Yonko Shanks]

SDN has opened my eyes. I thought we were progressing, but I see people are still the same. Sad to see some of these people will be future doctors.