How to adcoms and interviewers view agnosticism/atheism?

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I was thinking, if a question arises (say on politics or policy) that for SOME reason warrants me to bring up my belief on religion, would being an agnostic be frowned upon today?
 
I was thinking, if a question arises (say on politics or policy) that for SOME reason warrants me to bring up my belief on religion, would being an agnostic be frowned upon today?
If you can talk about it somewhat intelligibly, why would it be frowned upon? Chances are though, your religion will not come up unless you bring it up yourself.
 
I can't even think of how this would come up unless you brought it up.

You might be referring to a question about abortion but your lack of faith isn't relevant to that either
 
I was thinking, if a question arises (say on politics or policy) that for SOME reason warrants me to bring up my belief on religion, would being an agnostic be frowned upon today?
Loma Linda and Liberty might care, but other med schools, including those founded by the Jesuits, are open to diversity in religious views or lack thereof.
 
Professionally and legally they won't care or ask. Personally, adcom members are human and have their own set of subconscious biases they will try hard not to let come into play. Bear in mind that doctors have spent a lot of time taking science courses, where I suspect a greater percentage of atheists and agnostics reside, so this shouldn't be a new thing for them. As mentioned adcoms can't ask about your faith so if you don't bring it up it won't come up.
 
Why would anyone want to bring up a topic that may illicit strong negative feelings. There is only the risk that the person interviewing will have a bias against atheism. Also I dont quite think it is professional to talk about these things on the first meeting.
 
I wouldn't start the answer to a politics/policy question with the words: "As an atheist, I think . . . " if that's what you're asking.

I've been to a theological seminary so I'm prepared to be asked or talk about faith. But I think for the general applicant it is probably rare.

It's interesting because answering a question with: "As a gay man, I know first hand . . ." or "As I minority, I've seen . . ." are very powerful ways of building ethos and probably nailing the answer, but religion is seen as more belief-based and less experience-based. It seems that Adcoms appreciate unique experiences, while judging based on personal beliefs may be seen as a type of discrimination.
 
The population of atheists in medical school is much higher than the general population.


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Some Christian some scientists: Albert Einstein, Max Planck, Issac Newton

Some atheist """"""""""scientists:"""""""""" Richard Dawkins, the science guy.

Checkmate, atheist.
 
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Only at LUCOM or Loma Linda. Actually, at the former, they do appear to probe your religious beliefs at interview.

I'm an extremely secular person, but if you brought it up in your app, or in the interview, I could have a lot of intellectual full batting you around, like a cat with a mouse.


I was thinking, if a question arises (say on politics or policy) that for SOME reason warrants me to bring up my belief on religion, would being an agnostic be frowned upon today?
 
I'm an extremely secular person, but if you brought it up in your app, or in the interview, I could have a lot of intellectual full batting you around, like a cat with a mouse.

What do you mean? Like you'd give them a hard time and have them back up their beliefs intellectually?
 
Exactly. Like throw out the watchmaker and the watch analogy.

I always loved how people say that.
"Well, if there wasn't a creator how come [insert any biological discovery here] is possible? We must have been created by someone, that is GOD!"
Yeah, because it fooled me as a teenager. How RNA strands made protein copies or how cells have organs and they have complex purposes. 10th grade in Biology. Oh man, I wasn't in my right mind at all.
 
Recently had a interview, we both knew religion wasn't supposed to be discussed, but it was brought up. I mentioned I was agnostic. NBD.



At least until I get that rejection letter.
 
I always loved how people say that.
"Well, if there wasn't a creator how come [insert any biological discovery here] is possible? We must have been created by someone, that is GOD!"
Yeah, because it fooled me as a teenager. How RNA strands made protein copies or how cells have organs and they have complex purposes. 10th grade in Biology. Oh man, I wasn't in my right mind at all.

So, the multiverse is spontaneous?
 
Engaging in a theological debate with your interviewer is def a lose/lose. Could I steer the topic away from cat and mouse antics and direct the subject to something like: "Aren't you more curious how my beliefs/values are going to affect the care I give my patients?"

No matter what you believe in or don't believe in; I think that's a more productive use of the interview. If the interviewer wants to spend our hour trying to prove my beliefs are wrong (through analogies or arguments), I'd report him/her. That's not an interview.

Exactly. Like throw out the watchmaker and the watch analogy.
 
This topic is now beyond my capability in knowledge.
*explodes*

What?

The multiverse is just the theory of either an infinite or finite number of universes which contain everything. It's "advanced", but the premise is relatively simple.

To simply somewhat, is the universe spontaneous?


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I'm pretty sure that religion did not come up in a single one of the 30+ individual interviews I had across the various schools that interviewed me.
 
What?

The multiverse is just the theory of either an infinite or finite number of universes which contain everything. It's "advanced", but the premise is relatively simple.

To simply somewhat, is the universe spontaneous?


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Nope. Nope. Nope. When I ask a question, I expect it to be answered, not evaded.

You're missing the point of the thread...the idea is not that interviewers would directly ask you questions about your belief systems, it's that IF the subject is brought up they the interviewee, then anything related to that is fair game, in the sense that you made a statement, now back it up. Then "OK, what about X"? That's your cue to explain your thoughts on X, and why.

The whole point is to see if you can justify your thought processes, concisely, and in a manner that you don't come off in a negative light.

Again, only at LUCOM would you have to deal with the bolded.



Could I steer the topic away from cat and mouse antics and direct the subject to something like: "Aren't you more curious how my beliefs/values are going to affect the care I give my patients?"

No matter what you believe in or don't believe in; I think that's a more productive use of the interview. If the interviewer wants to spend our hour trying to prove my beliefs are wrong (through analogies or arguments), I'd report him/her. That's not an interview.
 
A liberal muslim homosexual ACLU lawyer professor and abortion doctor was teaching a class on Karl Marx, known atheist

”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Marx and accept that he was the most highly-evolved being the world has ever known, even greater than Jesus Christ!”

At this moment, a brave, patriotic, pro-life Navy SEAL champion who had served 1500 tours of duty and understood the necessity of war and fully supported all military decision made by the United States stood up and held up a rock.

”How old is this rock, pinhead?”

The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly and smugly replied “4.6 billion years, you stupid Christian”

”Wrong. It’s been 5,000 years since God created it. If it was 4.6 billion years old and evolution, as you say, is real… then it should be an animal now”

The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of Origin of the Species. He stormed out of the room crying those liberal crocodile tears. The same tears liberals cry for the “poor” (who today live in such luxury that most own refrigerators) when they jealously try to claw justly earned wealth from the deserving job creators. There is no doubt that at this point our professor, DeShawn Washington, wished he had pulled himself up by his bootstraps and become more than a sophist liberal professor. He wished so much that he had a gun to shoot himself from embarrassment, but he himself had petitioned against them!

The students applauded and all registered Republican that day and accepted Jesus as their lord and savior. An eagle named “Small Government” flew into the room and perched atop the American Flag and shed a tear on the chalk. The pledge of allegiance was read several times, and God himself showed up and enacted a flat tax rate across the country.

The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died of the gay plague AIDS and was tossed into the lake of fire for all eternity.
 
A liberal muslim homosexual ACLU lawyer professor and abortion doctor was teaching a class on Karl Marx, known atheist

”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Marx and accept that he was the most highly-evolved being the world has ever known, even greater than Jesus Christ!”

At this moment, a brave, patriotic, pro-life Navy SEAL champion who had served 1500 tours of duty and understood the necessity of war and fully supported all military decision made by the United States stood up and held up a rock.

”How old is this rock, pinhead?”

The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly and smugly replied “4.6 billion years, you stupid Christian”

”Wrong. It’s been 5,000 years since God created it. If it was 4.6 billion years old and evolution, as you say, is real… then it should be an animal now”

The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of Origin of the Species. He stormed out of the room crying those liberal crocodile tears. The same tears liberals cry for the “poor” (who today live in such luxury that most own refrigerators) when they jealously try to claw justly earned wealth from the deserving job creators. There is no doubt that at this point our professor, DeShawn Washington, wished he had pulled himself up by his bootstraps and become more than a sophist liberal professor. He wished so much that he had a gun to shoot himself from embarrassment, but he himself had petitioned against them!

The students applauded and all registered Republican that day and accepted Jesus as their lord and savior. An eagle named “Small Government” flew into the room and perched atop the American Flag and shed a tear on the chalk. The pledge of allegiance was read several times, and God himself showed up and enacted a flat tax rate across the country.

The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died of the gay plague AIDS and was tossed into the lake of fire for all eternity.

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Maybe that was too lowbrow for you.

A marxist post-structuralist continental Ecole Normale Supérieure professor and feminist activist was teaching a class on Martin Heidegger, known hermeneuticist.

”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Nietzsche and accept that his genealogical method was the most highly-evolved theory the continent has ever known, even greater than Hegel's dialectics!”

At this moment, a brave, rational, positivist analytic philosopher who had read more than 15000 pages of Popper and Wittgenstein and understood the raison d'être of empiricism and fully supported all modern hard sciences stood up and held up the constitution.

”How universal is this text, frenchfag?"

The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly and smugly replied “It's not universal at all, ****ing positivist, its 'truth' is rooted in our shared understandings about culture, the subject and the nexus of power and knowledge”

”Wrong. It’s been 225 years since human reason created it. If it was not universal, and post-modern relativism, as you say, is real… then it should be regarded as a myth now”

The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of On Grammatology. He stormed out of the room crying those ironic post-modern crocodile tears. There is no doubt that at this point our professor, Michel Foucault, wished he had pulled himself up by his bootstraps and become more than an AIDS ridden sadomasochist interested in fisting. He wished so much that he had some kind of truth to hold on to, but he himself had written to disprove it!

The students applauded and all rolled into American universities that day and accepted Wittgenstein as the end of philosophy. An eagle named “Formal logic” flew into the room and perched atop the copy of "Principa Mathematica" and shed a tear on the hardcover. The last sentence of "Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus" was read several times, and Karl Popper himself showed up and demonstrated how dialectics is nothing but a means of justifying contradictions.

The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died of the gay plague AIDS and his "books" were disregarded for all eternity.
 
I always loved how people say that.
"Well, if there wasn't a creator how come [insert any biological discovery here] is possible? We must have been created by someone, that is GOD!"
Yeah, because it fooled me as a teenager. How RNA strands made protein copies or how cells have organs and they have complex purposes. 10th grade in Biology. Oh man, I wasn't in my right mind at all.

I'm a Christian, and I do believe God created us. However, I also believe the universe has evolved over millions of years (not created thousands of years ago), and believe in science obviously. It's very possible to be religious and believe in "creation"- as in God created original life, and also believe in "evolution". I respect individuals that are not religious, or are of another religion, and I would hope that in medical school people would do the same.
 
I'm a Christian, and I do believe God created us. However, I also believe the universe has evolved over millions of years (not created thousands of years ago), and believe in science obviously. It's very possible to be religious and believe in "creation"- as in God created original life, and also believe in "evolution". I respect individuals that are not religious, or are of another religion, and I would hope that in medical school people would do the same.
Not to sparkle any religious debate here, but I was purely gullible back then.
Yeah.. one of assistant-pastor at my church taught me not to believe in Evolution at all. This soon followed-up with his pseudo-science. Like watchman analogy. Not to mention, how he taught us that Evolution Theory is devil's trick to fool you.
He went to one of top 3 schools in nation. So I believed in his credential somehow. Not sure if he actually went there, because I wouldn't just go up to him and ask to verify.
Of course, like you said, we have to differentiate between Bible scripture and Science. I stopped going to church since 2013. I was christian my whole life. Even went to Christian kindergarten-elementary school for 5 years.
 
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Not to sparkle any religious debate here, but I was purely gullible back then.
Yeah.. one of assistance-pastor at my church taught me not to believe in Evolution at all. This soon followed-up with his pseudo-science. Like watchman analogy. Not to mention, how he taught us that Evolution Theory is devil's trick to fool you.
He went to one of top 3 schools in nation. So I believed in his credential somehow. Not sure if he actually went there, because I wouldn't just go up to him and ask to verify.
Of course, like you said, we have to differentiate between Bible scripture and Science. I stopped going to church since 2013. I was christian my whole life. Even went to Christian kindergarten-elementary school for 5 years when I was young.

There's a difference between the Christianity your pastor believed, and what a lot of science field involved Christians believe imo. I wish more people understood that creation and evolution are compatible, and that a lot of Christians shouldn't feel forced to pick one over the other. Obviously not trying to get into a religious debate either haha, just wanted to point out that it is possible to be a science based Christian. And the majority of Christians are not the LUCOM fanatical people haha I think it's important to have a variety of different faiths and view points in med school, because I feel that I open my mind up more and think more critically when exposed to different opinions.
 
There's a difference between the Christianity your pastor believed, and what a lot of science field involved Christians believe imo. I wish more people understood that creation and evolution are compatible, and that a lot of Christians shouldn't feel forced to pick one over the other. Obviously not trying to get into a religious debate either haha, just wanted to point out that it is possible to be a science based Christian. And the majority of Christians are not the LUCOM fanatical people haha I think it's important to have a variety of different faiths and view points in med school, because I feel that I open my mind up more and think more critically when exposed to different opinions.

Sure is. I have known or learned from quite a few scientists who are devout (Christian and Jewish) and see no conflict there. The most common explanation is that science is just exploring how God does things.
 
On a serious note, what subjects are off limits when it comes to the interviewee's personal life?
 
Sure is. I have known or learned from quite a few scientists who are devout (Christian and Jewish) and see no conflict there. The most common explanation is that science is just exploring how God does things.

This is such an excellent way to explain to people that science and religion are compatible!
 
Religious beliefs are the result of indoctrination.

Imagine a scenario where all knowledge of religion and science were wiped from our minds, bookshelves, etc. Scientific discoveries would recreate our scientific knowledge exactly as we know it now. However, religion(s) would be unrecognizable.

If that's too personal, consider the parallels between santa clause and religion. Children in america believe in santa because we tell them to, they would never conceive of it on their own. Other parts of the world have there own version, with different names but many similarities. White lies to make things easier to explain.

Objectively, religion has always existed to explain the unexplainable. Which is fine, but I wonder if the net affect of religion(s) on our planet is in the pro column anymore.

-things I wouldn't bring up at an interview.
 
Some things we're not allowed to ask:

What does your spouse have to say about your going to med school?
How will you take care of your kids?
Anything related to religious beliefs (the Jehovah's Witnesses and blood transfusions in an emergency are fair game; ditto medical treatments vs prayer)
Anything sexual or harassing
Anything that would violate HIPAA or FERPA, especially in a group setting

On a serious note, what subjects are off limits when it comes to the interviewee's personal life?
 
Some things we're not allowed to ask:

What does your spouse have to say about your going to med school?
How will you take care of your kids?
Anything related to religious beliefs (the Jehovah's Witnesses and blood transfusions in an emergency are fair game; ditto medical treatments vs prayer)
Anything sexual or harassing
Anything that would violate HIPAA or FERPA, especially in a group setting

If, somehow, religious beliefs were brought up (not sure how they would be, but play along), and the applicant was religious, how would that look to you? Would it depend on their ability to eloquently explain how they marry their beliefs with science (e.g., non-literal interpretation of the Bible)?

In no way do I plan on bringing any of my religious beliefs up, but I am very involved with my Church (or at least I was before my kids were born), and some of my ECs are through there. I'm just curious what you think.
 
This.

I also have specific questions that help me root out paternalistic and misogynistic beliefs. No, I'm not sharing.


I would qualify this a bit: adcoms cannot bring up these issues for discussion. However, if these issues are brought up by the candidate in either application or interview, then they are implying permission to discuss them. Hence anything you bring up in an application, you should be comfortable enough to discuss.
 
A liberal muslim homosexual ACLU lawyer professor and abortion doctor was teaching a class on Karl Marx, known atheist

”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Marx and accept that he was the most highly-evolved being the world has ever known, even greater than Jesus Christ!”

At this moment, a brave, patriotic, pro-life Navy SEAL champion who had served 1500 tours of duty and understood the necessity of war and fully supported all military decision made by the United States stood up and held up a rock.

”How old is this rock, pinhead?”

The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly and smugly replied “4.6 billion years, you stupid Christian”

”Wrong. It’s been 5,000 years since God created it. If it was 4.6 billion years old and evolution, as you say, is real… then it should be an animal now”

The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of Origin of the Species. He stormed out of the room crying those liberal crocodile tears. The same tears liberals cry for the “poor” (who today live in such luxury that most own refrigerators) when they jealously try to claw justly earned wealth from the deserving job creators. There is no doubt that at this point our professor, DeShawn Washington, wished he had pulled himself up by his bootstraps and become more than a sophist liberal professor. He wished so much that he had a gun to shoot himself from embarrassment, but he himself had petitioned against them!

The students applauded and all registered Republican that day and accepted Jesus as their lord and savior. An eagle named “Small Government” flew into the room and perched atop the American Flag and shed a tear on the chalk. The pledge of allegiance was read several times, and God himself showed up and enacted a flat tax rate across the country.

The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died of the gay plague AIDS and was tossed into the lake of fire for all eternity.
What is this lol

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A liberal economist, stock-market trader, professor and Goldman Sachs board member was teaching a class on Milton Friedman, known bourgeois ideologist.

”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Friedman and accept that he was the most highly-evolved political philosopher the world has ever known, even greater than Karl Marx!”

At this moment, a brave, internationalist, proletarian manual worker who had taken part in 1500 revolutions and understood the necessity of class war and fully supported all decision made by the working-class-in-movement stood up and held up a coat.

”What is the value of this coat, pinhead?”

The arrogant professor smirked quite bourgeouisly and smugly replied “That is determined by its marginal utility, you stupid communist”

”Wrong. It’s taken 5,000 hours of labour to produce this coat. If its price is determined by marginal utility, as you say… then the price determines its marginal utility!”

The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of Atlas Shrugged. He stormed out of the room crying those bourgeois crocodile tears. The same tears reactionaries cry for the “job creators” (who today live in such luxury that most piss money up the wall) when they jealously try to exploit justly produced wealth from the deserving proletariat. There is no doubt that at this point our professor wished he could transcend the ideological limitations of his material circumstances and become more than a sophist liberal professor. He wished so much that he could live in a society where each was cared for according to their need, but he himself had prevented its realisation!

The students applauded and all attained class-consciousness that day and accepted socialism as humanity's savior. A red star named “Historical Materialism” shed a tear from heaven onto the chalk. The Internationale was sung several times, and Lenin himself showed up and seized the means of production across the capitalist world.

The professor lost his exploited wealth and was arrested the next day. He died by firing squad and was tossed into dusbin of history for all eternity.

Workers of the World Unite
p.s. the weapon of criticism cannot replace criticism by weapons
 
Some things we're not allowed to ask:

What does your spouse have to say about your going to med school?
How will you take care of your kids?
Anything related to religious beliefs (the Jehovah's Witnesses and blood transfusions in an emergency are fair game; ditto medical treatments vs prayer)
Anything sexual or harassing
Anything that would violate HIPAA or FERPA, especially in a group setting

If these do come up without you bringing them up during an interview, should you inform the school or what?
 
Maybe that was too lowbrow for you.

A marxist post-structuralist continental Ecole Normale Supérieure professor and feminist activist was teaching a class on Martin Heidegger, known hermeneuticist.

”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Nietzsche and accept that his genealogical method was the most highly-evolved theory the continent has ever known, even greater than Hegel's dialectics!”

At this moment, a brave, rational, positivist analytic philosopher who had read more than 15000 pages of Popper and Wittgenstein and understood the raison d'être of empiricism and fully supported all modern hard sciences stood up and held up the constitution.

”How universal is this text, frenchfag?"

The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly and smugly replied “It's not universal at all, ****ing positivist, its 'truth' is rooted in our shared understandings about culture, the subject and the nexus of power and knowledge”

”Wrong. It’s been 225 years since human reason created it. If it was not universal, and post-modern relativism, as you say, is real… then it should be regarded as a myth now”

The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of On Grammatology. He stormed out of the room crying those ironic post-modern crocodile tears. There is no doubt that at this point our professor, Michel Foucault, wished he had pulled himself up by his bootstraps and become more than an AIDS ridden sadomasochist interested in fisting. He wished so much that he had some kind of truth to hold on to, but he himself had written to disprove it!

The students applauded and all rolled into American universities that day and accepted Wittgenstein as the end of philosophy. An eagle named “Formal logic” flew into the room and perched atop the copy of "Principa Mathematica" and shed a tear on the hardcover. The last sentence of "Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus" was read several times, and Karl Popper himself showed up and demonstrated how dialectics is nothing but a means of justifying contradictions.

The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died of the gay plague AIDS and his "books" were disregarded for all eternity.
A liberal economist, stock-market trader, professor and Goldman Sachs board member was teaching a class on Milton Friedman, known bourgeois ideologist.

”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Friedman and accept that he was the most highly-evolved political philosopher the world has ever known, even greater than Karl Marx!”

At this moment, a brave, internationalist, proletarian manual worker who had taken part in 1500 revolutions and understood the necessity of class war and fully supported all decision made by the working-class-in-movement stood up and held up a coat.

”What is the value of this coat, pinhead?”

The arrogant professor smirked quite bourgeouisly and smugly replied “That is determined by its marginal utility, you stupid communist”

”Wrong. It’s taken 5,000 hours of labour to produce this coat. If its price is determined by marginal utility, as you say… then the price determines its marginal utility!”

The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of Atlas Shrugged. He stormed out of the room crying those bourgeois crocodile tears. The same tears reactionaries cry for the “job creators” (who today live in such luxury that most piss money up the wall) when they jealously try to exploit justly produced wealth from the deserving proletariat. There is no doubt that at this point our professor wished he could transcend the ideological limitations of his material circumstances and become more than a sophist liberal professor. He wished so much that he could live in a society where each was cared for according to their need, but he himself had prevented its realisation!

The students applauded and all attained class-consciousness that day and accepted socialism as humanity's savior. A red star named “Historical Materialism” shed a tear from heaven onto the chalk. The Internationale was sung several times, and Lenin himself showed up and seized the means of production across the capitalist world.

The professor lost his exploited wealth and was arrested the next day. He died by firing squad and was tossed into dusbin of history for all eternity.

Workers of the World Unite
p.s. the weapon of criticism cannot replace criticism by weapons

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A liberal muslim homosexual ACLU lawyer professor and abortion doctor was teaching a class on Karl Marx, known atheist

”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Marx and accept that he was the most highly-evolved being the world has ever known, even greater than Jesus Christ!”

At this moment, a brave, patriotic, pro-life Navy SEAL champion who had served 1500 tours of duty and understood the necessity of war and fully supported all military decision made by the United States stood up and held up a rock.

”How old is this rock, pinhead?”

The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly and smugly replied “4.6 billion years, you stupid Christian”

”Wrong. It’s been 5,000 years since God created it. If it was 4.6 billion years old and evolution, as you say, is real… then it should be an animal now”

The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of Origin of the Species. He stormed out of the room crying those liberal crocodile tears. The same tears liberals cry for the “poor” (who today live in such luxury that most own refrigerators) when they jealously try to claw justly earned wealth from the deserving job creators. There is no doubt that at this point our professor, DeShawn Washington, wished he had pulled himself up by his bootstraps and become more than a sophist liberal professor. He wished so much that he had a gun to shoot himself from embarrassment, but he himself had petitioned against them!

The students applauded and all registered Republican that day and accepted Jesus as their lord and savior. An eagle named “Small Government” flew into the room and perched atop the American Flag and shed a tear on the chalk. The pledge of allegiance was read several times, and God himself showed up and enacted a flat tax rate across the country.

The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died of the gay plague AIDS and was tossed into the lake of fire for all eternity.

Thank you for this, this is some choice meme-ing. I had never heard of the last two versions.
 
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