How to break into pharmacy industry?

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I am looking for a career shift with my PharmD. I was always fascinated by MSLs and have never met one that didn't love their job. They also get paid really well and have fantastic work schedules (~30 hr work weeks). Beyond those perks, the drug industry has always fascinated me. Unfortunately, I went to a pharmacy school that did not have a big focus in or have a faculty involved industry work. I was wondering what positions were out there that I could apply to and get a start in this. I am really not familiar with the various position types. I know of medical writing but that's it. Please provide some pointers on what to search for and who to apply to. Any advice and information is appreciated.

For some background, I have 3 years of inpatient pharmacy experience and was recently a pharmacy consultant for a medical group. I also have extensive retail experience in both the chains and independents.

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Rutgers offers fellowship which is a sure way to get you connected. You will be doing externship with various drug manufacturers and many people get offers before their programs are finished. Once hired, you may be rotating through various departments like safety, legal, operations.
I have a friend who was recently hired by Amgen with supply chain niche. You must have some transferable quality if you do not wish to go back to residency or fellowship with reduced salary.
Unfortunately, retail experience means absolutely nothing. Your inpatient experience could be valuable if you are able to articulate that with investigational drug activities.
There is a lay-off trend recently, I would urge caution.


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Although i generally wouldnt encourage folks to apply to work at the FDA unless they were passionate about public health, it is a great way to prepare yourself for a number of different jobs in industry. Mainly compliance, pharmacovigilance, and project management. Getting hired at FDA can take several months (sometimes as long as a year), and getting through the initial HR screening takes a lot of trial and error. Figuring out who the hiring manager is and directly contacting them can sometimes make a big difference.
 
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Although i generally wouldnt encourage folks to apply to work at the FDA unless they were passionate about public health, it is a great way to prepare yourself for a number of different jobs in industry. Mainly compliance, pharmacovigilance, and project management. Getting hired at FDA can take several months (sometimes as long as a year), and getting through the initial HR screening takes a lot of trial and error. Figuring out who the hiring manager is and directly contacting them can sometimes make a big difference.
One hardest organizations to get into
 
Although i generally wouldnt encourage folks to apply to work at the FDA unless they were passionate about public health, it is a great way to prepare yourself for a number of different jobs in industry. Mainly compliance, pharmacovigilance, and project management. Getting hired at FDA can take several months (sometimes as long as a year), and getting through the initial HR screening takes a lot of trial and error. Figuring out who the hiring manager is and directly contacting them can sometimes make a big difference.
Definitely harder to get a government job as a pharmacist since those roles require non-traditional practice experience (payer, industry, informatics etc.) to break into if you don’t directly do a fellowship/training program with them. Government roles are typically retirement jobs so I would be very surprised if someone with <10 years of practice experience in a relevant setting (retail literally translates to nothing, sorry) manages to break in.
 
Just start applying to MSL positions that you see posted online. Are you retail or clinical? I know some pharmaceutical companies love having a clinical pharmacist onboard (especially oncology specialists) so if you are specialized it may be easier to break in. You could also attend Industry focused conferences (such as Midyear) and just network network network. There are many options you just have to have the desire to go for it.
 
Definitely harder to get a government job as a pharmacist since those roles require non-traditional practice experience (payer, industry, informatics etc.) to break into if you don’t directly do a fellowship/training program with them. Government roles are typically retirement jobs so I would be very surprised if someone with <10 years of practice experience in a relevant setting (retail literally translates to nothing, sorry) manages to break in.

This is an over-simplified perspective on pharmacist government jobs. Although I know what types of positions you're referring to, almost every federal agency that hires pharmacists also has entry-level pharmacist positions that do not require tons of non-traditional practice experience and are certainly not a retirement job (being a CSO for FDA comes to mind).

Also, I don't agree that all retail experience is the same and translates to nothing. Sure, it is hard to make yourself stand out with retail experience alone, but a seasoned retail pharmacist who knows how to leverage and communicate the skills they've developed (managing technicians, prioritizing several tasks independently, interpreting and applying a variety of policies and laws, critical thinking and troubleshooting, communicating high risk information, working under stressful conditions, etc.) can transfer those skills in valuable ways to different government jobs. They may not be jobs heavy in a specific clinical subject, like a reviewer for new drug applications, but there are several jobs (e.g., project management, consumer safety officer, compliance officer, etc.) were a competent retail pharmacist adds value. The problem isn't that there is no value in retail pharmacy experience, it's more that there are so many pharmacists with retail pharmacy experience that it makes it challenging for a retail pharmacist to stand out.
 
I am looking for a career shift with my PharmD. I was always fascinated by MSLs and have never met one that didn't love their job.

I'm the opposite, I've never met an MSL among my previous students who "liked" the job as much as liked the circumstances around the job much like your motivations.

Besides the unwritten rules that are on other posts, the only thing is that the qualification arms race has gotten somewhat tougher. You should go read the other threads regarding both the written and unwritten qualifications of industry.
 
Government roles are typically retirement jobs so I would be very surprised if someone with <10 years of practice experience in a relevant setting (retail literally translates to nothing, sorry) manages to break in.
Not true at all. I have several friends that got offers into the FDA just a few years out of school. One of them only had retail experience. Also know if some that got offers right out of pharmacy school
 
Just start applying to MSL positions that you see posted online. Are you retail or clinical? I know some pharmaceutical companies love having a clinical pharmacist onboard (especially oncology specialists) so if you are specialized it may be easier to break in. You could also attend Industry focused conferences (such as Midyear) and just network network network. There are many options you just have to have the desire to go for it.
Both actually. I’ve been clinically oriented for the past 4 years
 
As a clinical pharmacist myself, I'm also interested in potentially pursuing an industry job down the line. I know being an MSL is a great opportunity, but what other positions could a pharmacist with significant clinical experience take when transitioning?
 
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There are various areas in industry that I see pharmacists employed in. Here's a breakdown:

MSL - hard to get into from retail, but more likely from clinical to med info to MSL. great benefits, good lifestyle, a lot of travel, good pay...but also one of the weakest in terms of job stability. However, once you have MSL experience under your belt...it's considerably easier to get the next MSL job if you do get laid off. I know several MSLs that have gotten laid off due to the product going off-patent or not succeeding in phase 3 trials. I don't think any of them were that worried and were able to land their next MSL opportunity without too much trouble.

Med Info/Med affairs - totally possible for a retail or clinical pharmacist to go into, but connections or good interviewing skills help a lot. HEOR is a bit hard to get into without a fellowship.

Drug Safety/PV - used to be one of the likely areas for a retail pharmacist to get into , but that was when case processing was done in-house at most companies. Now, the trend has been to outsource case processing to vendors in India, Philippines, or other countries. Therefore, now it's considerably harder to get into a US company with retail experience since they need more experienced people. But it's not impossible. As a matter of fact, I've seen PharmDs with only an industry rotation get hired almost straight out of school. Connections made during rotations can make a huge difference.

Regulatory - hard to get into without a fellowship. However, if you do get in it's a good trajectory. Regulatory people often have the potential to go very high in the organization and it's very possible to top out at $230k+/year. If you have experience in regulatory strategy, you will be highly sought after and companies will be willing to pay good money for someone who has experience getting drugs approved.

Clinical Operations - pretty hard to get into without a fellowship. Essentially a project management position which always translates to many areas.

QA Auditing - hard to get in straight from retail, but a common pathway is from drug safety or clinical operations. Drug Safety/Clinical QA auditors are usually highly sought, pretty good pay, flexible schedule, and possibly tedious at times, and a lot of travel. A lot of these people eventually set up a private consultancy company.

Sales - these days, pharmacists usually don't go into sales

There are other areas but these are the ones I tend to see PharmDs in the most often. If it's what you want, don't give up. Just because you're experience is in retail, doesn't mean you don't have a shot. My personal experience in the industry has been...the lifestyle is great and only gets better. It does get busier the higher you go up but it also feels more personally fulfilling and flexible. On Sunday nights, I actually look forward to going to the office the next day. I never felt that way when I was in retail. That said, I don't think it's for everyone. Corporate politics exist without a doubt. Some people have a knack for that and relish playing that game. Some people can't stand it. Also, in the office there it's a somewhat consistent environment from day to day (in terms of the people you're around and their emotions). I have friends in retail that have stated that they couldn't stand that and appreciate the "realness" of retail - where people get mad, happy, sad, etc.

In terms of compensation (since that seems to be a common curiosity), I would have to say that in industry the limit is up to you. But keep in mind that compensation is usually inversely proportional to work-life balance. Is your limit 40 hours a week or 70 hours a week? It's easy to answer that when you're 28 and single. But consider how you'll feel from ages 40-60. That'll be when you're peak earning potential comes. If you're willing to work long hours at 55 years of age, willing to travel the on 14 hour flights at a moment's notice, and willing to relocate halfway around the world for years at a time....you can certainly make over $200k or well over. Some people do. Some people decide at 40 that they're ok with staying in the $150-180k range for the rest of their career with the obligatory annual raise and bonus...without extra sacrifice to work-life balance. Of course there are other considerations when you get to that age...like how far is work from your home, how flexible are they in letting you work at home so you can stay with your kid, health benefits, etc.
 
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I met a retail pharmacist who was getting a regulatory science/affairs degree online while working... not sure what happened

How useful is that to get in to industry? 2 years of online course work doesn't sound too bad if its a sure thing for ppl really interested
 
I am looking for a career shift with my PharmD. I was always fascinated by MSLs and have never met one that didn't love their job. They also get paid really well and have fantastic work schedules (~30 hr work weeks). Beyond those perks, the drug industry has always fascinated me. Unfortunately, I went to a pharmacy school that did not have a big focus in or have a faculty involved industry work. I was wondering what positions were out there that I could apply to and get a start in this. I am really not familiar with the various position types. I know of medical writing but that's it. Please provide some pointers on what to search for and who to apply to. Any advice and information is appreciated.

For some background, I have 3 years of inpatient pharmacy experience and was recently a pharmacy consultant for a medical group. I also have extensive retail experience in both the chains and independents.

My opinion? we are slowly being "Wiened" out of the system, so in the end one of us can do the job of ten somehow. They are tired of paying us 130K to sit behind a counter and push pills, and now with the over saturation Govt and corporate can treat us however they want. They all have the upper hand. The future i see has a virtual world (essentially) where your pharmacist is a hologram. Medicine is distributed from machines or something along that streamline idea. The healthcare system has broken and our only salvation is, "socialization". people are angry, but no one listens because everything on the phone is voice prompts now, no operator, no human to help, just an email line for support IF necessary. Sounds Crazy huh? Print this thread and stash it somewhere. Look at it in 10 years. I may not be on the money with everything 100%, but you will see huge changes to this FIELD you are desperately trying to "break into". If i were you i would be looking for advice on how to "break out".
 
My opinion? we are slowly being "Wiened" out of the system, so in the end one of us can do the job of ten somehow. They are tired of paying us 130K to sit behind a counter and push pills, and now with the over saturation Govt and corporate can treat us however they want. They all have the upper hand. The future i see has a virtual world (essentially) where your pharmacist is a hologram. Medicine is distributed from machines or something along that streamline idea. The healthcare system has broken and our only salvation is, "socialization". people are angry, but no one listens because everything on the phone is voice prompts now, no operator, no human to help, just an email line for support IF necessary. Sounds Crazy huh? Print this thread and stash it somewhere. Look at it in 10 years. I may not be on the money with everything 100%, but you will see huge changes to this FIELD you are desperately trying to "break into". If i were you i would be looking for advice on how to "break out".

It's funny that you mention this. I recently listened to a real estate podcast where the guest mentioned his friend, who is a pharmacist, would be easily replaced in 10 years with advanced AI. I think you are both correct.
 
Would an MPH from a reputable institution help you break into the Pharma industry?
 
Cmon guys, when are we just going to admit to ourselves that this "profession" is a dead end? It's time to throw in the towel, wave the white flag, ...or whatever you want to do. An EXIT STRATEGY is ALL we should be focused on. Let the millenials sort this out.
 
Would an MPH from a reputable institution help you break into the Pharma industry?
In my 32 months of management consulting to the pharmaceutical industry and interacting with direct clients across Commercial in Market Access, Reimbursement, Payer Marketing, Brand Teams, Policy (U.S. & Ex-US), Health Economics and Outcomes Research (HEOR), and Health Technology Assessment (HTA) departments, I have only come across MPHs sparingly, and each instance was in either a HEOR or HTA support role. I would not get an MPH unless I was seeking a job in HEOR or HTA. An MBA is more versatile and more visible within pharmaceutical companies.
 
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In my 32 months of management consulting to the pharmaceutical industry and interacting with direct clients across Commercial in Market Access, Reimbursement, Payer Marketing, Brand Teams, Policy (U.S. & Ex-US), Health Economics and Outcomes Research (HEOR), and Health Technology Assessment (HTA) departments, I have only come across MPHs sparingly, and each instance was in either a HEOR or HTA support role. I would not get an MPH unless I was seeking a job in HEOR or HTA. An MBA is more versatile and more visible within pharmaceutical companies.

Yes, I was thinking about doing an MPH with a concentration on Health policy and management.
 
Yes, I was thinking about doing an MPH with a concentration on Health policy and management.
Unless you specifically want to break into HEOR, just get an MBA at Rutgers or some other school with on-campus recruitment. If you do want HEOR - consider reaching out to admissions at and biopharma alumni from those schools and figure out how well they do in recruiting.
 
My opinion? we are slowly being "Wiened" out of the system, so in the end one of us can do the job of ten somehow. They are tired of paying us 130K to sit behind a counter and push pills, and now with the over saturation Govt and corporate can treat us however they want. They all have the upper hand. The future i see has a virtual world (essentially) where your pharmacist is a hologram. Medicine is distributed from machines or something along that streamline idea. The healthcare system has broken and our only salvation is, "socialization". people are angry, but no one listens because everything on the phone is voice prompts now, no operator, no human to help, just an email line for support IF necessary. Sounds Crazy huh? Print this thread and stash it somewhere. Look at it in 10 years. I may not be on the money with everything 100%, but you will see huge changes to this FIELD you are desperately trying to "break into". If i were you i would be looking for advice on how to "break out".

Sigh you're right
 
There are various areas in industry that I see pharmacists employed in. Here's a breakdown:

MSL - hard to get into from retail, but more likely from clinical to med info to MSL. great benefits, good lifestyle, a lot of travel, good pay...but also one of the weakest in terms of job stability. However, once you have MSL experience under your belt...it's considerably easier to get the next MSL job if you do get laid off. I know several MSLs that have gotten laid off due to the product going off-patent or not succeeding in phase 3 trials. I don't think any of them were that worried and were able to land their next MSL opportunity without too much trouble.

Med Info/Med affairs - totally possible for a retail or clinical pharmacist to go into, but connections or good interviewing skills help a lot. HEOR is a bit hard to get into without a fellowship.

Drug Safety/PV - used to be one of the likely areas for a retail pharmacist to get into , but that was when case processing was done in-house at most companies. Now, the trend has been to outsource case processing to vendors in India, Philippines, or other countries. Therefore, now it's considerably harder to get into a US company with retail experience since they need more experienced people. But it's not impossible. As a matter of fact, I've seen PharmDs with only an industry rotation get hired almost straight out of school. Connections made during rotations can make a huge difference.

Regulatory - hard to get into without a fellowship. However, if you do get in it's a good trajectory. Regulatory people often have the potential to go very high in the organization and it's very possible to top out at $230k+/year. If you have experience in regulatory strategy, you will be highly sought after and companies will be willing to pay good money for someone who has experience getting drugs approved.

Clinical Operations - pretty hard to get into without a fellowship. Essentially a project management position which always translates to many areas.

QA Auditing - hard to get in straight from retail, but a common pathway is from drug safety or clinical operations. Drug Safety/Clinical QA auditors are usually highly sought, pretty good pay, flexible schedule, and possibly tedious at times, and a lot of travel. A lot of these people eventually set up a private consultancy company.

Sales - these days, pharmacists usually don't go into sales

There are other areas but these are the ones I tend to see PharmDs in the most often. If it's what you want, don't give up. Just because you're experience is in retail, doesn't mean you don't have a shot. My personal experience in the industry has been...the lifestyle is great and only gets better. It does get busier the higher you go up but it also feels more personally fulfilling and flexible. On Sunday nights, I actually look forward to going to the office the next day. I never felt that way when I was in retail. That said, I don't think it's for everyone. Corporate politics exist without a doubt. Some people have a knack for that and relish playing that game. Some people can't stand it. Also, in the office there it's a somewhat consistent environment from day to day (in terms of the people you're around and their emotions). I have friends in retail that have stated that they couldn't stand that and appreciate the "realness" of retail - where people get mad, happy, sad, etc.

In terms of compensation (since that seems to be a common curiosity), I would have to say that in industry the limit is up to you. But keep in mind that compensation is usually inversely proportional to work-life balance. Is your limit 40 hours a week or 70 hours a week? It's easy to answer that when you're 28 and single. But consider how you'll feel from ages 40-60. That'll be when you're peak earning potential comes. If you're willing to work long hours at 55 years of age, willing to travel the on 14 hour flights at a moment's notice, and willing to relocate halfway around the world for years at a time....you can certainly make over $200k or well over. Some people do. Some people decide at 40 that they're ok with staying in the $150-180k range for the rest of their career with the obligatory annual raise and bonus...without extra sacrifice to work-life balance. Of course there are other considerations when you get to that age...like how far is work from your home, how flexible are they in letting you work at home so you can stay with your kid, health benefits, etc.


Are you a msl?
 
Are you a msl?

No I'm not. I was interested in becoming one when I first entered the industry but at this point in life...I prefer a bit less (business) travel/driving and greater job stability than MSL life entails. I've also done the work from home bit and have realized I like going into the office most days of the week. One day of working from home a week is ideal for me.

If I were to go for one I would probably try to do it from within my own company by getting to know the team and medical affairs head. A good number of MSLs are recruited from Med Info/Comm. A decent number of MSLs eventually try to move to senior in-house Med Affairs positions but find that's also not easy (different skillsets have been developed in the field vs in-house).
 
I actually got a cold call from a recruiter for a MSL position - blew my mind. I have a phone interview with them next week - not sure if I want a position like that or not - only about a 10-20k pay raise to begin with and obviously more traveling.
 
I actually got a cold call from a recruiter for a MSL position - blew my mind. I have a phone interview with them next week - not sure if I want a position like that or not - only about a 10-20k pay raise to begin with and obviously more traveling.
use it to get your foot in the door.
 
Does anyone have any tips on what to do to break-in to industry? I have applied for jobs but I never hear anything back. I've been in retail for the last 2 years and I love it but as PIC I feel like my options are limited for career advancement. I want more! How did you get a call from a recruiter for MSL? What are some entry level jobs industry pharmacist? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
Does anyone have any tips on what to do to break-in to industry? I have applied for jobs but I never hear anything back. I've been in retail for the last 2 years and I love it but as PIC I feel like my options are limited for career advancement. I want more! How did you get a call from a recruiter for MSL? What are some entry level jobs industry pharmacist? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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You could look for a contact position. They might hire someone without experience. Being an MSL is about connections, do you have any? I mean who is in your professional network? It helps to get hired if you have a grasp of the systems and payers in your area.

It helps to be willing to relocate too.
 
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