How to deal with Bi&*@ surgeons.

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Do you know what the A S S h o l e surgeons get?

slow turnovers

case delays

missing instruments


That's what I notice as an innocent observer. I think that should be enough punishment for them, why should we even add to it.
 
militarymd said:
Do you know what the A S S h o l e surgeons get?

...missing instruments...
Ever grab a sponge as you walk by when nobody is looking? It makes for an entertaining flurry when it's time to count sponges.
 
toofache32 said:
Ever grab a sponge as you walk by when nobody is looking? It makes for an entertaining flurry when it's time to count sponges.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAH

If thats not a proprietary move, I'm gonna start using it when indicated.
 
jetproppilot said:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAH

If thats not a proprietary move, I'm gonna start using it when indicated.
I'm an oral surgery resident, but I've been on your side of the blood-brain-barrier for about 6 months now, and I guess I'm starting to think like you guys. Here's another one: I get put on head & neck cases most of the time. On those cases where fluids should be kept to a minimum (coronal flaps, lefort osteotomies, etc) the surgeons are always looking up to make sure we're not giving too much. It's fun to hang about 4 bags running wide open when the attending shows up...even though 3 of them are just running into the bucket. They really go ape$hit when they first glance up and see all that fluid going in.
 
VolatileAgent said:
i hear ya, but i think you (slightly) miss the point. it's not an 'all or none' or 'black and white' thing. we're talking about not being a doormat, and not about purposely acting like a d!ckhead. of course we're a consultant service. but we also have the unique situation where we're also expected to provide care. yes, some surgeons forget this. but, most surgeons in my experience respect and appreciate what we do and are cool. this thread is about the ones who aren't. and, yes, one shouldn't get their panties in a bunch over some blowhard with microphallus who probably got too much positive reinforcement as a child and never learned how to 'play nice' because he was always the 'gifted' and 'special' one in whatever he did and was constantly told that. you can't combat years of poor social modeling with confrontation or even witty repartee. you should best ignore them, unless they jeopardize patient safety or in any other way significantly interfere with you doing your job. that's all i'm getting at.

in other words, it has nothing to do with an anesthesiologist's unwillingess to compromise and everything to do with effectively dealing with a surgeon who can't or won't. sometimes you gotta flex your muscles, especially when you find yourself in a battle that picked you (and not vice versa). that's just the way it is.


well said..
 
According to my attending today, dealing with difficult surgeons is a part of being an anesthesiologist. He stated that an anesthesiologist should leave his/her ego in the car. I have to agree. Why invest so much energy trying to make a point to an idiot. I am enjoying being out of primary care and having a ball. I get no calls from patients or their families. I never have to round and have limited contact with patients. Who cares if a surgeon makes a snide remark here and there. If you wrestle with a pig you just get muddied. 😀

CambieMD
 
CambieMD said:
If you wrestle with a pig you just get muddied. 😀

i think the chinese proverb goes, 'never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty and the pig likes it.' good words to live by.
 
VolatileAgent said:
i hear ya, but i think you (slightly) miss the point. it's not an 'all or none' or 'black and white' thing. we're talking about not being a doormat, and not about purposely acting like a d!ckhead...

Unflinching non-verbals cuts through the *noise* When Dr. Ego is trolling, avoid the bait, cancel the emotion, stone cold sober is the only way to fly. Everyone gets this treatment initially until proven reliable and trustworthy and even then they will turn on you when stressed. Your center of gravity is all that matters when protecting the life and welfare of the patient. Keep the faith!
 
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