How to distinguish between Low and Mid Tier Schools?

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Top tier= schools that accept you

Low tier= schools that didn't accept you

Also,

Top tier = The schools that arrogant SDN kids want to get into.

Low tier = The schools that those lowly kids with 32's go to.

Then many of those arrogant kids score a 22 and do something else and some get in somewhere and realize they wasted years worrying about tiers.
 
tiers can make a difference. if im living in a very populated area with many choices in doctors, i would avoid those from really low schools. some of the typical kids in my bio classes i would not want to be my doctor.

upper tier is obvious and i would say goes up to #16 cornell on usnews (+ mayo)

mid tier is hard to identify. schools that have something going for them, like non-medical research rankings (wisconsin), or primary care rankings (unc). schools close to great hospitals (houston). it also depends on where you live. californians will tell you UCR will be mid-tier very soon b/c its in cali, but ppl elsewhere might not think so. a very general ballpark would be many schools up to #55-60 on usnews

low tier is everything else, but it depends on where you live. people may know more about and trust schools in their region more than others.
 
tiers can make a difference. if im living in a very populated area with many choices in doctors, i would avoid those from really low schools. some of the typical kids in my bio classes i would not want to be my doctor.

upper tier is obvious and i would say goes up to #16 cornell on usnews (+ mayo)

mid tier is hard to identify. schools that have something going for them, like non-medical research rankings (wisconsin), or primary care rankings (unc). schools close to great hospitals (houston). it also depends on where you live. californians will tell you UCR will be mid-tier very soon b/c its in cali, but ppl elsewhere might not think so. a very general ballpark would be many schools up to #55-60 on usnews

low tier is everything else, but it depends on where you live. people may know more about and trust schools in their region more than others.

^ EL OH EL :laugh:

You do realize there 141 allopathic and 29 osteopathic medical schools. So by your rankings 17 schools are top tier (excluding Pitt, Baylor, Northwestern, Emory, UTSW, etc.), ~40 schools are middle tier, and 103 schools are lower tier?! That's insanely narrow-minded.

The reason this question is so hard to answer is because the difference between "middle" tier and "lower" tier is often indistinguishable and highly variable. A student with a 3.8/34 has different tiers than a 3.6/31 applicant. Lower tiers are AN INDIVIDUAL'S safety school. Middle tiers are their aim schools. Upper tiers are their reaches. That's it. For the 3.8/34 students, upper tiers are the Harvards, WashUs, UCSFs, etc., while middle tiers are the schools right around their numbers, and the lower tiers are schools notably below their stats and maybe their state schools, depending on the state. For the 3.6/31 students, upper tiers could be any school with >3.7/>33 as matriculant averages.
 
tiers can make a difference. if im living in a very populated area with many choices in doctors, i would avoid those from really low schools. some of the typical kids in my bio classes i would not want to be my doctor.

upper tier is obvious and i would say goes up to #16 cornell on usnews (+ mayo)

mid tier is hard to identify. schools that have something going for them, like non-medical research rankings (wisconsin), or primary care rankings (unc). schools close to great hospitals (houston). it also depends on where you live. californians will tell you UCR will be mid-tier very soon b/c its in cali, but ppl elsewhere might not think so. a very general ballpark would be many schools up to #55-60 on usnews

low tier is everything else, but it depends on where you live. people may know more about and trust schools in their region more than others.

Yeah, I wouldn't want a 20-year-old to be my doctor either 🙄

Also strong work on the top 16 cutoff. I like the number 17 personally, but 16 sounds about as arbitrary, so I guess I can't argue with it.
 
thats how many tiers work. look at tiers of journals by impact factor, tiers of cities by importance, tiers on the food chain. they're all pyramid shaped to signify increasing importance as you near the top
 
thats how many tiers work. look at tiers of journals by impact factor, tiers of cities by importance, tiers on the food chain. they're all pyramid shaped to signify increasing importance as you near the top

Schools aren't eating each other and things are often shown in pyramids to show weighting. Actually, I haven't seen anything in pyramid form in probably 20 years.
 
Below top tier nobody really distinguishes. MD is MD





....unless of course you go DO

Medical School is Medical school.....no one asks where you went to school once you begin practicing and frankly no one cares.
 
tiers can make a difference. if im living in a very populated area with many choices in doctors, i would avoid those from really low schools. some of the typical kids in my bio classes i would not want to be my doctor.

upper tier is obvious and i would say goes up to #16 cornell on usnews (+ mayo)

mid tier is hard to identify. schools that have something going for them, like non-medical research rankings (wisconsin), or primary care rankings (unc). schools close to great hospitals (houston). it also depends on where you live. californians will tell you UCR will be mid-tier very soon b/c its in cali, but ppl elsewhere might not think so. a very general ballpark would be many schools up to #55-60 on usnews

low tier is everything else, but it depends on where you live. people may know more about and trust schools in their region more than others.

First, those crappy kids in your bio class will likely do poorly on the MCAT and not apply so no problem there. Second, very few people know what school anyone went to. Third, the hospital/clinic in this highly populated area obviously chose to hire them so who are you to judge them with less information? Lastly, would you rather have a doctor that scored a 245 step 1 and dominated their residency but came from a small school or someone that got a 215 and did just enough to get by at what you think is a top school? This is a pointless question since no one will tell you their step scores but my point is that judging someone based on their school is ridiculous but I imagine you'll see that as you interview, matriculate, etc.
 
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Any school that won't accept me is definitely a low-tier in my book!!!! They must really suck and quite undeserving of me anyways 😎
 
Specifically speaking, how do you determine whether a school is low tier or middle tier?

Obviously Harvard and Yale are high tier, but when we look at just regular state schools or private schools, how do we know whether they are low or middle tier?

I know its a pretty subjective question but if asked "Is your school low or middle tier?", how do you answer and how do you categorize them?

It's very easy nowadays. Most hospitals use a color-coded badge system for MDs. MDs from top-tiers (Top 15 only, thank you very much) have gold badges. Those from 16-45 on USNews have silver badges, and those from 46 on down have bronze badges. Pay scales are adjusted accordingly, as is the proximity of parking spaces to the physician lounge. What's more, DOs are gradually being phased out of the American medical system because they are unable to practice modern medicine safely.
 
It's very easy nowadays. Most hospitals use a color-coded badge system for MDs. MDs from top-tiers (Top 15 only, thank you very much) have gold badges. Those from 16-45 on USNews have silver badges, and those from 46 on down have bronze badges. Pay scales are adjusted accordingly, as is the proximity of parking spaces to the physician lounge. What's more, DOs are gradually being phased out of the American medical system because they are unable to practice modern medicine safely.

Yeah, OMM malpractice insurance is through the roof. Thanks Obama.
 
haha based on your anecdotal n=1? regardless, of course there are other factors that affect competitiveness. Average accepted gpa, state residency considerations, size of applicant pool all are important but if you look at a list of all the average mcats and go down the list, it still is a good measure, generally speaking, of competitiveness regardless of which school you specifically ended up having "an easier time with".




Ah ok i see the problem, you don't quite understand the nature of this little academic debate (i guess you came late to the party so its fair). This conversation has nothing to do with a students relative success later in their career, I made zero statements regarding that. A simple statement was made: If one were to break up all medical schools into 3 categories, low, mid, and high tier, using ONLY mcat, then a 31 average accepted mcat would mark the beginning of the "low tier" segment. I eventually conceded that 30 is probably more accurate.

Besides, if you actually talk with some admins, they say very clearly that gpa+mcat trumps all regardless of how "short sighted" you believe that to be...




Yes, agreed, it certainly implies that, which is why I explicitly stated over and over again that I am NOT talking about how good the schools are... see the above simple statement

That is what defines the "tier" of a school. MCAT scores can't be your definition of a school's tier because they don't really correlate to much of anything. Many schools' difficulty levels of admission are unrelated to MCAT score. I used one example but many abound -- MCV/VCU, OHSU, Colorado to name a few that are clearly not defined by the MCAT scores they accept. (Note: these schools are all in relatively rural or underserved areas and have serving their communities as a primary mission. It is the mission that defines schools, not their MCAT scores.)

Tier implies how "good" the education is. By definition, this indicates some correlation with future success. Admissions selectivity depends upon far too many irrelevant factors to be used as a good metric of "tier".
 
You can't predict success by school either. Just because a school pushes people to low salary family medicine doesn't mean the school sucks. The "top tier" schools that push specialties land those residencies because it is in the best interest of the school because you can rest assured that they'll be hitting you up for money shortly after graduating. It doesn't mean they are great schools, they want to increase their alumni donations. USNWR schools at the top will push out FM and IM doctors and lower ranked schools will push out orthopedic surgeons. Who really cares? Dr. James Andrews went to Tulane. Why doesn't everyone want to go there? Millions of people watch and listen to 'The Doctors' on tv and have no clue where they went to school.
 
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