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I am a clinical psychologist and have been doing psychotherapy mostly in private practice for the past 20 years. I want to do something different and assessment/evaluations/testing seems to be a possible choice.

My question is, how do I start? I did assessment as part of my academic training but am in need of training/supervision/practice. Should I register for courses on assessment and then contact clinics and other psychologists in my area and offer to do assessment? Should I do the courses and then offer evaluations in my private practice? Should I start by contacting other clinicians and offer help so that I can learn to do assessment and reports with them?

I am not sure on what the first steps are. Thank you.
 
Hi

Couple questions. Happy to answer.

1. What kinda assessment- whst population, scope if eval, pay method, forensic scope, etc

2. What is your training in (eg standard personality/iq, specialization area (mil/vet, ptsd, etc), areas not known- eg projective, etc) and how sharp are your diagnostic skills?

3. What prof orgs are you in and what is uour conference plan/opportunity?

4. What is the timeline you believe you are working on
 
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Hi

Couple questions. Happy to answer.

1. What kinda assessment- whst population, scope if eval, pay method, forensic scope, etc

2. What is your training in (eg standard personality/iq, specialization area (mil/vet, ptsd, etc), areas not known- eg projective, etc) and how sharp are your diagnostic skills?

3. What prof orgs are you in and what is uour conference plan/opportunity?

2 definitely the big issue here, though with pretty much only doing therapy for the past 20 years, I'd have to imagine OP would need some serious training and supervision to bring competency up to par.
 
Thank you.

The testing that I did in the past was mainly personality, intelligence, and clinical. I remember doing the WISC, WAIS, MMPI, Millon Clinical Multiaxial Inventory, and the Standford Binet.

Last time I did these tests was 6 years ago. I take competency very seriously but I do believe that with some training/guidance I would be able to apply these tests again. I believe I would struggle more with writing the assessment/evaluation reports and integrating the results from the several scales into a cohesive and meaningful whole.
 
What kind of assessments would you want to do, what would be evaluating, specifically?

I spoke with someone who told me to explore the market around me. I live in Massachusetts. I am interested in using the tests that I have experience with, WISC, WAIS, MMPI, Millon Clinical Multiaxial Inventory, and the Standford Binet. I believe that a lot of assessments done in Massachusetts are related with courts, but I am not sure.

Should I take some courses and then for example contact some clinics or psychologists in the area and offer help or to work with them? I just am wondering on how to take the first step. I could start doing courses and training, but then I would not be sure what instruments and tests are used in my state, and which ones are in demand.
 
You keep asking “how can I use these specific tests?”. Everyone keeps asking “for what?”. If I said I am skilled in some random psychotherapy, and asked you how to get started in a psychotherapy practice, you’d probably ask “who are you trying to treat?” “Why would a patient choose you over someone else?”, and “what benefit would you offer your prospective patients?”.

i don’t know if you’re being obtuse on purpose or not. But the answer is the same thing as above.
 
You keep asking “how can I use these specific tests?”. Everyone keeps asking “for what?”. If I said I am skilled in some random psychotherapy, and asked you how to get started in a psychotherapy practice, you’d probably ask “who are you trying to treat?” “Why would a patient choose you over someone else?”, and “what benefit would you offer your prospective patients?”.

i don’t know if you’re being obtuse on purpose or not. But the answer is the same thing as above.

This. OP. It is not enough to know how to use those instruments. You also need to have in depth knowledge of the conditions that you are evaluating with these instruments. As in, definitely do not start evaluation of neurological conditions. You can do some real damage without a very good background in neuropathology, psychometrics, etc. So, back to this, what, specifically, do you think you want to evaluate? Like, you said evaluations are done in courts. That is still a VERY broad arena. Of which some segments require extensive background to do without putting yourself into a huge amount of liability.
 
The truth is I do not know why people seek psychological evaluation. I imagine it is because of legal cases, wanting to get a diagnosis, schools and education, etc.. And I would never do neuro evaluations, I would like to use the tests that I mentioned before.

Ok, so I am understanding that it is not enough to know on how to administer, score, and interpret a specific test, that all of this happens in a certain context, is this right? I though that one would get a referral like in psychotherapy, e.g. I would advertise that I do MMPI evaluations, and I would receive a referral from a client saying "I need to do a MMPI, are you available?".
 
A technician knows the tool but the mechanic knows how, when, where, & why to use which tool(s). If you want to conduct assessments, being able to administer and score the test correctly is the bare minimum for the technician role, while wholly insufficient to be the mechanic.

We often have to learn new assessments, especially if we are reviewing records and other people’s reports. The reason I suggested pre-surg evals is bc there are some good books on it, so you can read numerous sources and get comfortable with the questions you ask yourself as a clinician. Working with a supervisor can help you with the practical part of report writing, what needs to be included, etc.
 
Examples of referral questions for psychological testing at my AMC include - is this ADHD vs. a psychiatric condition, patient thinks they may have OCD (do they?), is this patient's presentation an undiagnosed neurodevelopmental condition / learning disability?, adult ADHD or autism evaluations, pre-surgical psych eval for spinal cord stimulator or bariatric surgery, etc.

I think people are trying to get you to think about these types of referral questions (amongst others) and which types you would be competent to see based on your previous training (and then current supervision / CEs). You do not need to do those evaluations in a court setting - they can be completed at an AMC, hospital setting, or PP.

You have some tools you know how to use - but what populations do you want to apply them to and which types of questions do you want to answer?
 
The truth is I do not know why people seek psychological evaluation. I imagine it is because of legal cases, wanting to get a diagnosis, schools and education, etc.. And I would never do neuro evaluations, I would like to use the tests that I mentioned before.

Ok, so I am understanding that it is not enough to know on how to administer, score, and interpret a specific test, that all of this happens in a certain context, is this right? I though that one would get a referral like in psychotherapy, e.g. I would advertise that I do MMPI evaluations, and I would receive a referral from a client saying "I need to do a MMPI, are you available?".

This is the equivalent of a physician buying an MRI machine and expecting business to appear with little expertise in how to use it. Do you go to your physician requesting an MRI? For what reason?

Based on your answers, I would suggest the following:

1. Stay away from forensic/court evaluations.

2. Decide what kind of evaluations you want to do, take some CEUs, contract with a company that will allow you to do these part-time and provides proper supervision. The pay will likely not be great, but you can always go out on your own after a few years when you feel comfortable and are thoroughly trained.
 
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Start with a very specific type of eval, maybe spinal cord stimulator (SCS) or bariatric eval. Review the literature, buy a book about it,!do a CEU, and then find someone to supervise you. Besides the clinical considerations, you’ll want to understand where the referrals normally come from, the process, and where you fit in the case.

I do SCS evals with some regularity, and the reports are usually pretty straight-forward in their structure.

Also, I strongly suggest you stay away from forensic work. People like me, PsyDr, & WiseNeuro have done this for years and you don’t know what you don’t know. It’s the deep end of the pool and you really should be fellowship trained.
 
The truth is I do not know why people seek psychological evaluation. I imagine it is because of legal cases, wanting to get a diagnosis, schools and education, etc.. And I would never do neuro evaluations, I would like to use the tests that I mentioned before.

Ok, so I am understanding that it is not enough to know on how to administer, score, and interpret a specific test, that all of this happens in a certain context, is this right? I though that one would get a referral like in psychotherapy, e.g. I would advertise that I do MMPI evaluations, and I would receive a referral from a client saying "I need to do a MMPI, are you available?".
It also depends. In texas and for some things, people contact me for the test. Eg psp13/lvl3 security. But yeh. You need to slow down and just start reading. I think your timeline is off.
 
You mention having administered the WISC/WAIS. Do you want to work with children? If so, what ages? Where in Mass. are you? There's a big difference in what is needed and how people can pay for your services between, say, Boston and Holyoke. There is a huge need for evals of very young children (under 2.5yo) suspected of having ASD. Young children tend to have young parents, and young parents tend to not have a lot of money, so it's a primarily MassHealth funded gig (at least in Western Mass, where I am). I am leaving the area (greater Springfield) in a month or so, and the developmental pediatrician in the area who does a lot of the other assessments (honestly, between him and I, we've done the diagnostic evals of hundreds of kids a year) is retiring soon, so there's a huge need. While the work is not terribly complicated (e.g., not a whole lot of differential diagnosis for an 18 month old who is not talking and doesn't look at his parents), you need to know what you're doing, work well with other disciplines (early intervention therapists, OTs, Speech Therapists, etc. often are at the testing appointments), be kind with young and frightened parents, and know the systems of care to which you are referring. If you have a basic understanding of testing, experience with young kids, and aren't a jerk, a lot of agencies will offer on the job training and supervisions as you get up to speed.
 
Thank you for all your thoughts. Yes, the metaphors covered my ignorance in doing testing, as I thought that all I needed to do was to be an expert on how to use a certain test and then I would simply apply that test in several different contexts without taking into consideration the specificity of that context (e.g. court, school, clinical settings, etc).

As I have no idea on what kind of setting/context I would like to do testing, I am going to talk with some psychologists in the area and try to understand what type of evaluation they provide and then decide for one and ask someone to work for them to get experience and build competence in the area.
 
I am a clinical psychologist and have been doing psychotherapy mostly in private practice for the past 20 years. I want to do something different and assessment/evaluations/testing seems to be a possible choice.

My question is, how do I start? I did assessment as part of my academic training but am in need of training/supervision/practice. Should I register for courses on assessment and then contact clinics and other psychologists in my area and offer to do assessment? Should I do the courses and then offer evaluations in my private practice? Should I start by contacting other clinicians and offer help so that I can learn to do assessment and reports with them?

I am not sure on what the first steps are. Thank you.
Assessment is essentially being a diagnostician and treatment planning specialist. You may, or may not, need do do formal testing during the process to accomplish the end goal. You use the tests you need after a thorough and comprehensive evaluation and interview process. Are you familiar with the SCID-clinician version? Other semi-structured interviews? How are your interviewing, probing, and diagnostic judgment skills? Knowledge of the DSM criteria in general? Influence of medical factors on symptoms/clinical presentations? The effects of substance use on clinical presentations? Are you familiar with making quality and practical treatment recommendation for a variety of patients, situations, and conditions? Do you have connections to funnel appropriate tx referrals? These are the questions you need to be able to answer before you really even start brushing up on things like MMPI interpretation, WAIS/WISC administration and interpretation, etc.

Obviously, testing is going to be needed or even required in some cases (some states require a CDE to even qualify for ABA services/waitlist) such as ID, learning disorders (for which insurance doesn't cover) or some presurgical evaluations (transplant, bariatric). But again, none of your test competencies mean much if you haven't done any real extensive clinical interviewing and general differential diagnosis in many years. You need these skills first.
 
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The truth is I do not know why people seek psychological evaluation. I imagine it is because of legal cases, wanting to get a diagnosis, schools and education, etc.. And I would never do neuro evaluations, I would like to use the tests that I mentioned before.

Ok, so I am understanding that it is not enough to know on how to administer, score, and interpret a specific test, that all of this happens in a certain context, is this right? I though that one would get a referral like in psychotherapy, e.g. I would advertise that I do MMPI evaluations, and I would receive a referral from a client saying "I need to do a MMPI, are you available?".
Someone could say they need an MMPI and all the sudden you have a lawyer asking you if this person is a good parent, or a pedophile, or needs to go back to jail, or is entitled to a $5MM payout from a car wreck, or can’t be a nurse anymore, or or or. You don’t want to be sucked into something like that.

But you could say, “I give MMPIs to patients under the care of someone else, who need more diagnostic clarity.”.

Again, you’re advertising a service, not an instrument.
 
Yeah, I'll echo @PsyDr here. If you hang out a shingle and say you do MMPI's, a significant portion of your self-referrals are going to be backdoor IME's/cheap legal opinions. Even in general neuro work, we have to be cognizant of these, and they come by fairly frequently. Being called in as a treating witness is not much fun, and depending on your state, not very lucrative. Additionally, you'll have people like us who have been doing this work for a while, critiquing your work with a fine-toothed comb. Which, in some cases, leads to a very uncomfortable deposition of that treating witness. Definitely figure out where your training and your niche is, and gear your assessment that way, and learn how to make sure you're getting those patients in, and are not just a way for an attorney to get an opinion without paying for it.
 
Assessment is essentially being a diagnostician and treatment planning specialist. You may, or may not, need do do formal testing during the process to accomplish the end goal. You use the tests you need after a thorough and comprehensive evaluation and interview process.
This is very well explained.

Someone could say they need an MMPI and all the sudden you have a lawyer asking you if this person is a good parent, or a pedophile, or needs to go back to jail, or is entitled to a $5MM payout from a car wreck, or can’t be a nurse anymore, or or or. You don’t want to be sucked into something like that.
I don't believe that any of these decisions would be up to me to decide, these situations sound awful.
 
I don't believe that any of these decisions would be up to me to decide, these situations sound awful.

Technically, it is up to a judge to decide. However, you are being called to give an expert opinion in the matter. These are some of the situations that court/forensic evaluations entail.

If you don't do you homework, shady lawyers and broke clients are happy to get you to do this on the cheap not telling you what the evaluation is for initially.
 
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I don't believe that any of these decisions would be up to me to decide, these situations sound awful.

That wasn't the point. The point was that if you advertise "I do MMPIs" you will get dragged into these cases unless you curate referrals very carefully.
 
I don't believe that any of these decisions would be up to me to decide, these situations sound awful.
The existence of psychosexual evaluations, child custody evaluations, licensing evaluations, probation evaluations, and personal injury evaluations are not dependent on your beliefs.

But thats a cool way to respond to someone helping you.
 
OP, I know some of the feedback sounds harsh. But, I do think people are genuinely trying to help you avoid a lot of headaches down the road.

All the replies have actually been very helpful. However, I do think that my ignorance is being interpreted as a provocation in some cases. For example when I said that I do not believe that I should be out in a situation where I have to decide if a person should go back to jail, or not, I mean that I do not want to make this type of judgement in a court. One thing that the answers here have made me realize is that I do not want to do court/forensic evaluations. I want to do something perhaps more related with children/adolescents/families, which is probably closer to the clinical/psychotherapy area.
 
All the replies have actually been very helpful. However, I do think that my ignorance is being interpreted as a provocation in some cases. For example when I said that I do not believe that I should be out in a situation where I have to decide if a person should go back to jail, or not, I mean that I do not want to make this type of judgement in a court. One thing that the answers here have made me realize is that I do not want to do court/forensic evaluations. I want to do something perhaps more related with children/adolescents/families, which is probably closer to the clinical/psychotherapy area.

I understand a little of what you do and do not want to do, but one of the major points people are trying to get across that is if you're not careful, you are going to get dragged into court cases as a treating provider, even if you do not want to.
 
I understand a little of what you do and do not want to do, but one of the major points people are trying to get across that is if you're not careful, you are going to get dragged into court cases as a treating provider, even if you do not want to.
As someone else mentioned, lawyers often try to use treating clinicians as a backdoor forensic eval, even going through insurance for it. They tell their client to go get a personality assessment, and then turn around and use that in their child custody case. This is why understanding the referral question and documenting it in the report is so important. I get a handful of inquiries every year of people looking for a "TBI evaluation", but really they want you to go testify that you think they should have custody of their child, tell the court they are disabled, etc. The lawyer can then subpoena you to testify about your report. There are things you can do to mitigate the chances of them doing this, but some will still try because using a treating clinician is MUCH cheaper than them hiring an actual expert. Depending on the jurisdiction and case law, they might not even have to pay you that much to do it.

The above example is why I don't generally accept self-referrals without really looking into it first and sussing out what they actually want. Even with referrals from clinical providers, I still pre-screen EVERY TIME because lawyers can use shill providers to make it look like a clinical referral and get it paid for through insurance. Pretty quickly you learn who are the shill providers and letting them know you won't take their referrals usually works. This can actually be fraudulent if the assessment is specifically meant for court and not medically necessary, but that's between the insurance company and the patient, and it is rarely if ever pursued.

I also put in my intake paperwork specific language addressing backdoor referrals and how clinical work and forensic work are different. I always go through my intake forms with each patient (or client, if forensic) and make a point to review the litigation section in detail so they understand the differences between patient v client, and my role in each scenario. I also go through the financial section to ensure they understand that they are on the hook if they mislead me. There are instances where a patient sees me for a clinical reason (e.g. workers comp injury that required a chronic pain assessment) and then their lawyer uses their report as part of their legal case, which is totally fine because there was a clear injury, the assessment was medically necessary, and it was part of treatment. In that scenario, I am the treating clinician, and the paperwork CLEARLY reflects all of that. There are things that I can do in response to any subpoena to squash the amateur hour backdoor attempt, but most lawyers don't want to poke the bear once they realize I'll cause them problems, up to and including notifying the judge and/or filing a Bar complaint. That has only come up a couple of times in over a decade of practice, but that's due to me always screening and being pretty conservative with every forensic case I review.

The vast majority of cases this stuff doesn't come up, but newbies are much more likely to get dragged into a case because they don't know any better. Lawyers will look for a sucker because the lawyer is the one footing the bill, so the clinical rate is 1/3 or 1/2 of what the forensic rate would be, and they can avoid paying a retainer, etc.
 
Lots of solid advice in this thread regarding avoiding certain types of evaluations and situations. It's a damn good idea to listen to those sharing this.

You mention asking if you need additional courses , but I'm assuming if you hold your doctoral degree from an accredited university you had both coursework and practicum work involving some of the test measures you mentioned. You're correct that you would need to get up to speed with the latest versions as well as get some training/supervision to show you're staying current and also actively maintaining competency to do these.

There's plenty of work to be had doing evaluations for referral questions related to intellectual disabilities, academic difficulties, ADHD, and learning disabilities as well as ASD. There's plenty of use cases for a solid evaluation that may help a patient in some way (i.e. occupational supports, educational supports, accommodations, intellectual disability/ASD services and supports) as many states and counties require documentation of evaluations (and they often even state their own criteria for what tests they accept and the criteria they use to determine if the results meet the minimum requirements). Additionally there's personality and psychological testing ( the non forensic, not legal type tends to be for differential diagnosis (i.e. ADHD vs anxiety or mood disorders)). Many of the assessment test measures in these are standard in doctoral program training.

You should first identify if there are any particular referral questions or diagnostic questions you wish to answer and/or particular populations you wish to provide these services to. From there, or if your'e not sure, research local private and group practices that do evaluations see what their websites describe and reach out and see if there are opportunities to gain experience under supervision and guidance to do these evaluations.

But again, please listen to the many replies in this thread. They are correct.
 
Yes, I'd like to thank everyone's comments and shared experiences. I am a psychologist and did my PsyD in the US and had several courses on assessment, yes, but I was also a psychologist before coming to the US and practiced before in Europe. I am not very used to the legalistic mindset of the US, and this makes me a bit naive. Therefore I am very thankful for posters to contextualize assessment in terms of its legal implications and its potential pitfalls.

I had this naive presumption that I could travel with an MMPI in my briefcase and I could just apply it, write a report, give it to the client, and that was the end of the process, no further implications for me. I am sure that I do not want to get involved in legal/court/forensic cases as what I am interested in is the clinical side of psychology.

You should first identify if there are any particular referral questions or diagnostic questions you wish to answer and/or particular populations you wish to provide these services to. From there, or if your'e not sure, research local private and group practices that do evaluations see what their websites describe and reach out and see if there are opportunities to gain experience under supervision and guidance to do these evaluations.
Yes, this seems to be the advice endorsed by many here in this thread and I will follow it, this is great, thanks.
 
I had this naive presumption that I could travel with an MMPI in my briefcase and I could just apply it, write a report, give it to the client, and that was the end of the process, no further implications for me. I am sure that I do not want to get involved in legal/court/forensic cases as what I am interested in is the clinical side of psychology.


Yes, this seems to be the advice endorsed by many here in this thread and I will follow it, this is great, thanks.

Briefcase? What year is this? lol

RE: "Apply it and write and report." Uh, ok, what exactly is the client (or insurance company) paying you for again? It would only be as valuable as the treatment implications, right? "OK, thanks doc, what do i do with this/how does this help me?

Btw, hand scoring almost anything anymore is really problematic. There's really just no excuse for introducing that kind of error into your work anymore. Much less all the time your're spending doing that.
 
Briefcase? What year is this? lol

RE: "Apply it and write and report." Uh, ok, what exactly is the client (or insurance company) paying you for again? It would only be as valuable as the treatment implications, right? "OK, thanks doc, what do i do with this/how does this help me?

Btw, hand scoring almost anything anymore is really problematic. There's really just no excuse for introducing that kind of error into your work anymore. Much less all the time your're spending doing that.

Meh, I can hand score and verify the MMPI-II RF scoring in about 5 minutes.
 
As someone else mentioned, lawyers often try to use treating clinicians as a backdoor forensic eval, even going through insurance for it. They tell their client to go get a personality assessment, and then turn around and use that in their child custody case. This is why understanding the referral question and documenting it in the report is so important. I get a handful of inquiries every year of people looking for a "TBI evaluation", but really they want you to go testify that you think they should have custody of their child, tell the court they are disabled, etc. The lawyer can then subpoena you to testify about your report. There are things you can do to mitigate the chances of them doing this, but some will still try because using a treating clinician is MUCH cheaper than them hiring an actual expert. Depending on the jurisdiction and case law, they might not even have to pay you that much to do it.

The above example is why I don't generally accept self-referrals without really looking into it first and sussing out what they actually want. Even with referrals from clinical providers, I still pre-screen EVERY TIME because lawyers can use shill providers to make it look like a clinical referral and get it paid for through insurance. Pretty quickly you learn who are the shill providers and letting them know you won't take their referrals usually works. This can actually be fraudulent if the assessment is specifically meant for court and not medically necessary, but that's between the insurance company and the patient, and it is rarely if ever pursued.

I also put in my intake paperwork specific language addressing backdoor referrals and how clinical work and forensic work are different. I always go through my intake forms with each patient (or client, if forensic) and make a point to review the litigation section in detail so they understand the differences between patient v client, and my role in each scenario. I also go through the financial section to ensure they understand that they are on the hook if they mislead me. There are instances where a patient sees me for a clinical reason (e.g. workers comp injury that required a chronic pain assessment) and then their lawyer uses their report as part of their legal case, which is totally fine because there was a clear injury, the assessment was medically necessary, and it was part of treatment. In that scenario, I am the treating clinician, and the paperwork CLEARLY reflects all of that. There are things that I can do in response to any subpoena to squash the amateur hour backdoor attempt, but most lawyers don't want to poke the bear once they realize I'll cause them problems, up to and including notifying the judge and/or filing a Bar complaint. That has only come up a couple of times in over a decade of practice, but that's due to me always screening and being pretty conservative with every forensic case I review.

The vast majority of cases this stuff doesn't come up, but newbies are much more likely to get dragged into a case because they don't know any better. Lawyers will look for a sucker because the lawyer is the one footing the bill, so the clinical rate is 1/3 or 1/2 of what the forensic rate would be, and they can avoid paying a retainer, etc.
Can attest to this. I recently conducted a developmental assessment for a patient with congenital concerns related to in-utero exposure to "foreign contaminants," only to have family bring the custody lawyer to my feedback session, with the intent to have a "doctor say who the kid should live with" based on my findings. It gets sticky real quickly. It is so important to highlight what the intent of your assessment was for. In my case, it was very easy to go back to my referral question, which was informing next steps in medical care, based on developmental assessment findings. Not to suggest who should have custody. Which is what I reiterated to the lawyer on at least 10 separate parts of the discussion.

I think stories like this are why the responders are attempting to caution you. You don't just dabble in assessment. You need to really be thinking about a number of things, including some things you would rather not be thinking about.
 
Meh, I can hand score and verify the MMPI-II RF scoring in about 5 minutes.
Although I guess it also depends on what you mean by "hand score." If we're talking using the actual templates to hand-tally everything, that's a beast (and something I've gladly only done maybe once or twice since grad school). If it's entering responses from a paper-and-pencil record form (which, for example, may be your only option in a prison, other secure setting, or somewhere where internet access is spotty) into an online scoring program or spreadsheet, yeah, that's easy.

As I know WisNeuro knows, much of the neuropsych world is still paper-and-pencil with hand scoring.

Edit: For the OP, seems like you've gotten some great feedback and advice. For me personally, I don't know that I'd really want to see a patient who came to me specifically asking for an MMPI (or any other measure).
 
Although I guess it also depends on what you mean by "hand score." If we're talking using the actual templates to hand-tally everything, that's a beast (and something I've gladly only done maybe once or twice since grad school). If it's entering responses from a paper-and-pencil record form (which, for example, may be your only option in a prison, other secure setting, or somewhere where internet access is spotty) into an online scoring program or spreadsheet, yeah, that's easy.

As I know WisNeuro knows, much of the neuropsych world is still paper-and-pencil with hand scoring.

Edit: For the OP, seems like you've gotten some great feedback and advice. For me personally, I don't know that I'd really want to see a patient who came to me specifically asking for an MMPI (or any other measure).

Yup, this. Double entry.

Can attest to this. I recently conducted a developmental assessment for a patient with congenital concerns related to in-utero exposure to "foreign contaminants," only to have family bring the custody lawyer to my feedback session, with the intent to have a "doctor say who the kid should live with" based on my findings. It gets sticky real quickly. It is so important to highlight what the intent of your assessment was for. In my case, it was very easy to go back to my referral question, which was informing next steps in medical care, based on developmental assessment findings. Not to suggest who should have custody. Which is what I reiterated to the lawyer on at least 10 separate parts of the discussion.

I think stories like this are why the responders are attempting to caution you. You don't just dabble in assessment. You need to really be thinking about a number of things, including some things you would rather not be thinking about.

In these cases, always good to just repeat the same phrase no matter how they ask it. "As I did not evaluate that, nor was it the purpose of the evaluation, I cannot opine on that. Not too mention that trying to use insurance for a medicolegal opinion constitutes billing fraud. Would you like me to document that counselor?"
 
Yup, this. Double entry.



In these cases, always good to just repeat the same phrase no matter how they ask it. "As I did not evaluate that, nor was it the purpose of the evaluation, I cannot opine on that. Not too mention that trying to use insurance for a medicolegal opinion constitutes billing fraud. Would you like me to document that counselor?"
Haha it was like you were in the room with me that day. Were those eyes peaking from that cabinet you ?!? 😆
 
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I once had an eval assigned to me where the question itself was for treatment purposes (diagnostic clarification), but they also wanted me to evaluate things like malingering and "is this patient lying." The patient was court involved, not compliant with treatment iirc or something along those lines, and the courts basically decided they were going to wait for my eval to figure out how to deal with that. I did the eval and I wrote ten million times something that basically would read as "THIS IS FOR TREATMENT PURPOSES ONLY. I AM NOT TRAINED IN FORENSIC EVALUATIONS."

I also wrote that it was impossible for me to tell if the patient was lying because I'm, like, not a magician (I didn't actually include that last part, lol).

To this day, I consider that report my magnum opus.
 
I remember that there were online and software programs that scored and even produced a report on e.g. the MMPI. But I thought that people still scored psychological tests by pen and pencil and wrote the whole report from scratch. But after reading some of the comments I now wonder how many people still do this manually.

I've also had psychotherapy clients who attempted to take me to court for custody cases, but I have always resisted it by arguing that there is a big difference between someone who is a psychotherapist and someone who makes a formal evaluation. In the majority of cases I only know what clients tell me and that is what we work with.
 
I remember that there were online and software programs that scored and even produced a report on e.g. the MMPI. But I thought that people still scored psychological tests by pen and pencil and wrote the whole report from scratch. But after reading some of the comments I now wonder how many people still do this manually.

I've also had psychotherapy clients who attempted to take me to court for custody cases, but I have always resisted it by arguing that there is a big difference between someone who is a psychotherapist and someone who makes a formal evaluation. In the majority of cases I only know what clients tell me and that is what we work with.
A lot of scoring nowadays is handled electronically, depending on the type of test. But I don't know how widespread the use of interpretive reports is. Personally, I never even look at them.
 
I guess I gave the wordier answer compared to AA, lol.

For example, the MMPI (whatever version) can be scored through Q-Global, a Pearson (ugh) online product that has the clinician enter the answers twice into their scoring program, to ensure accurate reporting. I haven't hand-scored an MMPI since training. I don't use the interpretive reports they produce bc I only want my interpretations to be associated with whatever work product (i.e. assessment report). Then in my reports I reference the various scales in my results section and then pull it all together to explain what it all means. The same/similar structure of headings and how you organize your findings can be used across reports, as you don't need to re-invent the wheel. What the insurer is paying for is your analysis, findings, conclusions, diagnose(s), and recommendations. This is where there is SUCH a gap in training reports and what is actually useful out in the real world. 98% of the other clinicians that read your report will skip to the conclusions and recommendations because they frankly don't care about all of the nerdy stuff assessment people care about, but that stuff is the basis of our findings. It still needs to be accounted for because if you do need to defend it, everything better line up.

I think what can be confusing is that many neuropsych assessments still require hand-scoring to a point. Reviewing the raw data to ensure at the item level the answers are accurate, but then entering into a scoring program to give you scaled scores and whatnot is how it is done. My tech does this, but I still review everything because ultimately it is up to me. The report writing is 100% me, though some clinicians will have their techs enter the data in a template report. I don't do that because I want to ensure there is a clear line of delineation for the interpretation portions, so I just have them put the data in a summary table of all scores, with the printouts of the scores produced by the scoring program. I never use any interpretive report or auto-generated stuff because I'm ultimately responsible for everything in the end. I will use the same basic structure like headings and flow in my report, but nothing is copied and pasted from some auto-generated thing because if it does go to court, I don't want to be married to it. I have citations I've collected over the years to support various sections of my reports too, but the level of detail in a clinical report v. an IME/forensic report will be different. How I talk about the data, my conclusions, recommendations, and relevancy will all be different because the REFERRAL QUESTION(S) will be different.

*edited to clarify a few things*
 
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