how weird is this?

[JabsterL]

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My new intern class consists of 9/9 males..how rare is such a statistical anomaly? You think this is mere coincidence or somethin more, like selection bias by a predominately male leadership, females not wanting to work in this urban environoment, etc.?

On the bright side, probably easier to find roommates amongst classmates, and though paternal leaves are still possible, no long pregnancy leave..perhaps I just (at least in part) answered my own question?

 

[Ibid]

My new intern class consists of 9/9 males..how rare is such a statistical anomaly? You think this is mere coincidence or somethin more, like selection bias by a predominately male leadership, females not wanting to work in this urban environoment, etc.?

On the bright side, probably easier to find roommates amongst classmates, and though paternal leaves are still possible, no long pregnancy leave..perhaps I just (at least in part) answered my own question?

Well 9 is such a small number that it is hard to describe anything of that order as an anomaly as such. If you had a larger class, say 120 and it was all males that would be more "interesting".

Small numbers make it more probable that everyone would be of the same sex not less likely.

Just one way to look at it.

 

[nitemagi]

I'll go on record and state that in the current psychiatric training it's uncommon.

 

[Ibid]

I'll go on record and state that in the current psychiatric training it's uncommon.

You wild and crazy old devil. Statistical anomalies are uncommon? I bet you feel really exposed out on that limb.....

 

[peppy]

Sometimes programs do intentionally try to look for certain types of applicants. I know of a program with male leadership where after several years of female-dominated classes they intentionally tried to recruit more males for following years. They have had majority-male classes the last couple of years.
Even though you're not supposed to discriminate on the basis of females leaving for maternity leave, I wouldn't be surprised if it is something that is considered at places. Pregnant residents do cause havoc with the schedule unless things are really well planned out.

 

[whopper]

A review of statistics shows that the uncommon, even the rare and unexpected commonly occur from time to time. Flip a coin 1000x and you'll have patterns where it's only heads or tails several times in a row. For it to be heads-tails-heads-tails consistently, now that is rare.

That said, the fact that there's only males there would raise an eyebrow that something might be going on with their admissions process but it could be very well to random chance this occurred.

I know of a program where it's rumored by many that the PD only wants young, attractive, shapely women. I never knew if this were true but I heard it from too many people to believe there may be something to it.

 

[Ibid]

A review of statistics shows that the uncommon, even the rare and unexpected commonly occur from time to time. Flip a coin 1000x and you'll have patterns where it's only heads or tails several times in a row. For it to be heads-tails-heads-tails consistently, now that is rare.
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In the coin flip universe nothing is really rare. All flips are independent of all the other flips.

Even the idea that heads and tails will always even out in the long run is wrong. No reason why they should. The truth is the "long run" may just simply never arrive. Life just isn't fair even in the coin flip universe. At the end of time it might turn out that when it comes to coin flips heads has been the most likely outcome so far or it might turn out to have been tails. It is even possible that the coin landing on its side edge turns out to be the winner as hard as that is to contemplate.

 

[splik]

you sound disappointed!

 

[notdeadyet]

Ibid is right. It's an old mathematics lesson. If you have 1000 coin flips, it is just as likely to have 500 heads and 500 tails as it is to have 1000 heads. Each result in a binary process is alway 50/50, regardless of previous results.

 

[whopper]

it is just as likely to have 500 heads and 500 tails as it is to have 1000 heads.

No, not really, though I think you get the point we were trying to make earlier.

You are more likely to get certain combinations, To think of a better way to clarify this, if you ever played Dungeons and Dragons, rolling 3 six sided die when rolling your character's abilities creates a bell curve when you add them all up with 3 and 18 being the least encountered, and 9-12 being the most, and that was the intent. 3 being the worst and 18 being the best in terms of ability (such as strength). The game designer wanted there to be a middle ground that was most common, so if a character had for example 18 intelligence, that would be rare and just as rare would be someone with 3 intelligence (though you'd want to be the guy with the 18, if I remember correctly if you multiplied intelligence by 10 it was supposed to give the equivalent IQ score of that character).

While coin flipping is more binary than three 6 sided die, it does not lead to a distribution where 1000 heads are just as common as 500 head and 500 tails---that is unless the first exact 500 where heads and the last exact 500 were tails. The odds of getting only specific flips where every single flip had to match a specific result would be the same likelihood as getting all heads 1000x.

Anyways, being that it's late, I might not be remembering this right. Hope my fellowship PD doesn't read this forum because he retaught us all statistics in fellowship and I'd feel ashamed if I were off.

 

[nitemagi]

No, not really, though I think you get the point we were trying to make earlier.

You are more likely to get certain combinations, To think of a better way to clarify this, if you ever played Dungeons and Dragons, rolling 3 six sided die when rolling your character's abilities creates a bell curve when you add them all up with 3 and 18 being the least encountered, and 9-12 being the most, and that was the intent. 3 being the worst and 18 being the best in terms of ability (such as strength). The game designer wanted there to be a middle ground that was most common, so if a character had for example 18 intelligence, that would be rare and just as rare would be someone with 3 intelligence (though you'd want to be the guy with the 18).

While coin flipping is more binary than three 6 sided die, it does not lead to a distribution where 1000 heads are just as common as 500 head and 500 tails---that is unless the first exact 500 where heads and the last exact 500 were tails. The odds of getting only specific flips where every single flip had to match a specific result would be the same likelihood as getting all heads 1000x.

Anyways, being that it's late, I might not be remembering this right. Hope my fellowship PD doesn't read this forum because he retaught us all statistics in fellowship and I'd feel ashamed if I were off.

Careful whopper, you're revealing your inner gamer self.

 

[billypilgrim37]

I'm the only dude in the room about 85% of my life now.

I run a book club. I have about ten women that show up, and only one guy that comes every once in a while.

Even my "bourbon and board review nights" seem to be female dominated.

I can't imagine a psychiatric sausage party in the 21st century. I think I remember Whopper talking about his med school being overwhelingly filled with dudes only, so maybe he can give you some suggestions how to cope with the infusion of testosterone.

 

[billypilgrim37]

Btw, I might buy Whopper a bottle of Woodford Double Oaked if he can properly apply Pascal's triangle to demonstrate the mathematics of why it's really goofy to say 50/50 is as common as 100/0.

Or since it's all about Bayes theorem, maybe I should get him some Basil Hayden instead.

 

[notdeadyet]

No, not really, though I think you get the point we were trying to make earlier.

You are more likely to get certain combinations, To think of a better way to clarify this, if you ever played Dungeons and Dragons, rolling 3 six sided die when rolling your character's abilities creates a bell curve when you add them all up with 3 and 18 being the least encountered, and 9-12 being the most, and that was the intent. 3 being the worst and 18 being the best in terms of ability (such as strength). The game designer wanted there to be a middle ground that was most common, so if a character had for example 18 intelligence, that would be rare and just as rare would be someone with 3 intelligence (though you'd want to be the guy with the 18, if I remember correctly if you multiplied intelligence by 10 it was supposed to give the equivalent IQ score of that character).

While coin flipping is more binary than three 6 sided die, it does not lead to a distribution where 1000 heads are just as common as 500 head and 500 tails---that is unless the first exact 500 where heads and the last exact 500 were tails. The odds of getting only specific flips where every single flip had to match a specific result would be the same likelihood as getting all heads 1000x.

The curve you're showing above makes sense only because you're dealing with 3 dice of 6 possibilities. 3 and 18 are most statistically rare, because 3 is the result only if each die rolls a 1 and 18 is a result only if each die roll a 6. 10 is much more likely because there are many combinations to get this result. (2,2,6 or 3,1,6 or... etc.). So by this logic, 500/500 is more likely because there are more options to achieve this (head, tail, tail, heads vs. tail, tail, heads, heads, etc.) than for 1000/0?

That makes sense. I stand corrected. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[PETRAN]

Assuming that an equal number of men and women applied to the program, assuming that the selection of one (male or female) is independent to the other and assuming that everything else is equal in every respect and the probability of selection was random (because everyone was equal to each other) the probability would be 1/512 wow! Too bad that reality isn't that simple 😛


p.s. by the way, is the selection of male/female independent, like coin-flips? I think not because the selection of one-male-or-female- would influence the "sample space"-that is the actual number of males and females left to be selected. The actual number of men and women is not infinite on planet earth! A anyway going to study some fluffier cognitive psychology of task switching, i got tired with all this rocket-sciency stuff!

 

[billypilgrim37]

Assuming that an equal number of men and women applied to the program, assuming that the selection of one (male or female) is independent to the other and assuming that everything else is equal in every respect and the probability of selection was random (because everyone was equal to each other) the probability would be 1/512 wow! Too bad that reality isn't that simple 😛

No, it is that simple. Formula would be

A (prob of dude)^9 dudes x (prob of chick)^0 chicks = probability, where A is a coefficient derived from Pascal's triangle. In this case, A = 1.

If you assume pdude = 0.50 and pchick = 0.50, then it's 1 x 0.50^9 x 1 = 1/512.

Does anybody have a statistic of the ratio of men to women applying to psych? Because I'm sure pchick > 0.50, which would make the probability of this happening even lower.

So, the answer to the OP is, yes, something probably happened. Either your program ranked dudes preferentially, or chicks knew to stay clear of your program for one reason or another, or both. Now, there are 100 some psych programs, so it wouldn't be shocking if every so many years something like this happened randomly, but still seems suggestive.

 

[OldPsychDoc]

Damn I love this forum...
😍

 

[Beardpappy]

What about last year at your program, jabster? What's the gender dominant trend been?

 

[PETRAN]

So, the answer to the OP is, yes, something probably happened.

Exactly

 

[whopper]

I think I remember Whopper talking about his med school being overwhelingly filled with dudes only, so maybe he can give you some suggestions how to cope with the infusion of testosterone.

I remember when exams were over, there'd be parties---with only guys on the dancefloor. The few females that were in the class were overwhelmingly asked out to the degree where it was bothersome to them. (I was at St. George's) Let's just say that I know I'm not homosexual becuase if I were, I definitely would've been exploiting that sausage fest.

I heard they actually have something closer to a 50-50 mix starting a few years ago though I got no idea if that is true.

Hate saying this but very few of the students were willing to date the locals. I hate sounding judgmental but when in a third world country, you don't expect the local ladies to making bathing a high priority.

 

[Ibid]

No, not really, though I think you get the point we were trying to make earlier.

You are more likely to get certain combinations, To think of a better way to clarify this, if you ever played Dungeons and Dragons, rolling 3 six sided die when rolling your character's abilities creates a bell curve when you add them all up with 3 and 18 being the least encountered, and 9-12 being the most, and that was the intent. 3 being the worst and 18 being the best in terms of ability (such as strength). The game designer wanted there to be a middle ground that was most common, so if a character had for example 18 intelligence, that would be rare and just as rare would be someone with 3 intelligence (though you'd want to be the guy with the 18, if I remember correctly if you multiplied intelligence by 10 it was supposed to give the equivalent IQ score of that character).

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Or being delt 84 offsuit seven times in a row (this has happened to me) is no more remarkable than being delt AA seven times in a row (this has never happened to me).
While at the same time making an A high straight flush is less probable than making any other hand once all the cards are out makes the same point.

 

[whopper]

Mr character-Caleb Thorne, badass Inquisitor dead by the 2nd gaming session.

Caleb Thorne, an Inquisitor (a class kind of a mix between a cleric, thief, based on Van Helsing and Solomon Kane) in the Pathfinder game (very similar to D&D and considered the real D&D by old school fans) wearing chain-mail armor jumps onto a boardwalk to get to his buddies who are in mortal combat with Lamm, the kingpin of the child sex trade and a major dealer of "shiver" an illicit drug in the Pathfinder game world, in the metropolis called Korvosa.

Thorne gets on the boardwalk and it breaks beneath his feet (I rolled a 4 on a 20 sided die, and the chainmail penalized the roll further due to the weight of the armor). Then in his struggle to push himself out he is unsuccessful (rolled a 1), his fellow adventurer's tried to save him by sticking a pole to him for him to grab but he is unsuccessful (I rolled a 2), then a shark came up from beneath him and he got caught in it's jaws. The party's monk kung-fu flipped onto the shark, hit it several times to no avail, and Caleb Thorne, bleeding and trapped in the shark's mouth could not break free (I rolled a 4). He ended up dying.

I think this was the only time where I rolled less than 5 during each consecutive round for several times. I don't remember every exact number but I do know on several rolls--about 6 of them I got less than 5 each time.

 

[Ibid]

Thorne, bleeding and trapped in the shark's mouth could not break free (I rolled a 4). He ended up dying.

I think this was the only time where I rolled less than 5 during each consecutive round for several times. I don't remember every exact number but I do know on several rolls--about 6 of them I got less than 5 each time.

For every bad beat story (for which you deserve much compassion and sympathy of course, totally underserved and cruel of the dice god to chose you) their is somebody telling the opposite story except in this version it will be all about how skillfully they played the game.

 

[michaelrack]

Or being delt 84 offsuit seven times in a row (this has happened to me) is no more remarkable than being delt AA seven times in a row (this has never .

I think the odds are slightly different, since you are dealing with 8/52 cards with 8-4 and 4/52 cards with AA, though I don't know how to do the math. I will ponder it, however, while I am sitting at the poker table tonight in Tunica, Mississippi.

 

[Ibid]

I think the odds are slightly different, since you are dealing with 8/52 cards with 8-4 and 4/52 cards with AA, though I don't know how to do the math. I will ponder it, however, while I am sitting at the poker table tonight in Tunica, Mississippi.

Yes, you are right.

I think the right calculation is the chance of any two cards including suits is 1/1326.

This makes the calculation for the AA as you can get this six ways 6/1326 to the sixthpower for seven times in a row.

The calculation for the 84 offsuit as you can get this 12 ways is 12/1326 to the sixpower for seven times in a row.

I wouldn't mention you are thinking about this at the table, you don't want anyone thinking you have a clue what you are doing.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

OK, passing over the card counting/probability stuff, but yes, I think that's weird. Our incoming class is 7/8 females I think. Our current intern class had the same make up originally as well. We're taking over.

Now, how do you feel about the 9/9 male thing?

 

[Trismegistus4]

you sound disappointed!

If anything, he should be relieved. Dudes git 'r done. Everytime there's some stupid personal blow-up between 2 people in my program, the 2 people are women.

If he's disappointed, it's probably because he hoped to date a lady in the program, which is a horrible idea. For some reason a lot of male doctors think they're supposed to look for love among their female colleagues. Branch out, guys; you can do a lot better than a doctorette.

 

[Ibid]

OK, passing over the card counting/probability stuff, but yes, I think that's weird. Our incoming class is 7/8 females I think. Our current intern class had the same make up originally as well. We're taking over.

Now, how do you feel about the 9/9 male thing?

I think phenotype comes into it. If all 7 females look alike, same hair, height and as you say make up (only joking) or if all 9 males all appear the same I would be afraid.....very afraid.....

 

[BobA]

I was the only male in my intern class.

I get along very well with females (I have two close sisters), but I missed having guys to hang out with.

I'd guess that my program is 70% women

 

[Abider]

I'm hoping for a mix in a future program. Having worked in all female environment (pediatrics) and all male environments (construction) both have their drawbacks.

Though to be honest. An all female crew is much worse. Although this could be the fact that they were somewhat dull. Talking only about babies and baby showers and weddings and barfy stuff like that. Women doctors are probably cooler, wittier, and funnier as a bunch in group dynamics. I'd hope at least. If in fact there is a hostile takeover afoot.

 

[Apollyon]

Well, the question overlying is that, out of all that matched or SOAPed, what percent were male and were female. If it is 50/50, then it is less interesting. If it is 70/30 female/male, then it is more interesting, because that means that all of the dudes are being consumed at fewer programs, leaving others to be even more so "female loaded", leaving it even more unbalanced.

Back in the late 80s, med schools were in the range of 45-48% female. At the Oral Roberts University School of Medicine, it was 11% female. That is interesting.

 

[JabsterL]

If anything, he should be relieved. Dudes git 'r done. Everytime there's some stupid personal blow-up between 2 people in my program, the 2 people are women.

If he's disappointed, it's probably because he hoped to date a lady in the program, which is a horrible idea. For some reason a lot of male doctors think they're supposed to look for love among their female colleagues. Branch out, guys; you can do a lot better than a doctorette.

Haha no I'm not disappointed (because of the reasons you mentioned about possibly less drama and easier to hang out together, as well as easier to share an apartment and no long maternity leaves to accommodate to), nor was I planning on dating anyone in my class or in my program..I'd much rather date doctorettes in other programs or local institutions 😛 While I agree about branching out for dating, definitely don't think you can do better long-term than a doctorette (assuming we're not talkin about a gunner in the awful lifestyle category), but this brings up a whole 'nother discussion...

Just thought it was curious and interesting that in a "good lifestyle" field that attracts as many or more females than males, this Match result had to be more than a coincidence..perhaps in orientation the PD or Chairman will address it, or I'll just ask them down the road straight up why they believe the intern class matched these demographics? I'm sure in reality it's a combination of their own preferences/selection process (which they can't admit to legally of course), the other factors already discussed about urban environment and safety issues, and perhaps some pure unabated "luck/unluck" (depending how you wanna look at it).

As far as the other classes, on interview day I met 5 male and 3 female residents, but once I find out the breakdown for each class I'll definitely update.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

If anything, he should be relieved. Dudes git 'r done. Everytime there's some stupid personal blow-up between 2 people in my program, the 2 people are women.

If he's disappointed, it's probably because he hoped to date a lady in the program, which is a horrible idea. For some reason a lot of male doctors think they're supposed to look for love among their female colleagues. Branch out, guys; you can do a lot better than a doctorette.

And the woman hater is back. Sadly, Trig is not joking. 🙄

 

[Trismegistus4]

And the woman hater is back. Sadly, Trig is not joking. 🙄

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[digitlnoize]

As far as the other classes, on interview day I met 5 male and 3 female residents, but once I find out the breakdown for each class I'll definitely update.

It should be available on the program's website.

My class is a 50/50 split, FWIW. I think it's just random chance.

 

[notdeadyet]

I think it's just random chance.

Definitely. There's no way to really control the gender outcome of the Match. Aside from the PD ROL, there's the applicants preferences, which make a big element of it chance.

 

[whopper]

Dudes git 'r done

Now that would be a great title for an all-male erotic movie. I can see it now, muscle guys wearing speedos or not on the cover, maybe a Men at Work motif (e.g. various work hats like a police officer). There'll also be comments on the sides of the box like "Sausage-fest!" in huge pink letters with an explosion behind them.

Dudes Git'r Done
Starring
Joe Odyssey
Peter Torpedo
Duke Wellington
and Richard Nix'em

(sorry and no offense meant to anyone, just thought the phrase was funny).

 

[Abider]

Now that would be a great title for an all-male erotic movie. I can see it now, muscle guys wearing speedos or not on the cover, maybe a Men at Work motif (e.g. various work hats like a police officer). There'll also be comments on the sides of the box like "Sausage-fest!" in huge pink letters with an explosion behind them.

Dudes Git'r Done
Starring
Joe Odyssey
Peter Torpedo
Duke Wellington
and Richard Nix'em

(sorry and no offense meant to anyone, just thought the phrase was funny).

 

[wholeheartedly]

Whopper, you forgot Randy Steele.

You just can't have a male adult film without at least one character with the name "Randy" come on. I'd expect that someone with your slight fixation on sausage fests would know this

 

[whopper]

Yeah well Cincinnati is actually known to be a sausage connoisseur's area. Actually I'm not joking there nor writing of the phallic variety. There's a variety of high quality sausages (in addition to ice creams such as Graeter's) generally not available in other parts of the country here.

Now if I could only meet some of you in person and tell you some sausage jokes and situations I've encountered in my younger years. It would be inappropriate here.