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[christinejane19]

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Two years ago, I graduated from Fordham with a BS in biology, and a 3.2 GPA. I wasn't sure what I was interested in, and decided to give nursing school a shot. I have finished 3 semesters of nursing school with a 4.0 GPA, and work 20 hours/week as a patient care tech (basically a nurse's aide) in a busy ICU in NY. I have realized that I no longer want to pursue nursing, but attend osteopathic medical school. I took the MCAT last week. Do you think that the nursing degree will hurt my chances of being accepted? I've heard that med schools aren't too keen on accepting nurses. maybe i am misinformed? does anyone have any insight concerning this? Thanks so much for any information!

Christine

 

[eddoc]

don't be ridiculous...why would any school not want someone who has had more education, more patient encounters and clinical experience? if anything, i think admission committees like nurses. i know many people in my class that were nurses in a former life.

 

[jkhamlin]

Two years ago, I graduated from Fordham with a BS in biology, and a 3.2 GPA. I wasn't sure what I was interested in, and decided to give nursing school a shot. I have finished 3 semesters of nursing school with a 4.0 GPA, and work 20 hours/week as a patient care tech (basically a nurse's aide) in a busy ICU in NY. I have realized that I no longer want to pursue nursing, but attend osteopathic medical school. I took the MCAT last week. Do you think that the nursing degree will hurt my chances of being accepted? I've heard that med schools aren't too keen on accepting nurses. maybe i am misinformed? does anyone have any insight concerning this? Thanks so much for any information!

Christine

One of the reasons I was rejected this application cycle was that I lacked "patient contact" whatever that means. I am sure you arguably have tons of this. It is definitely a plus. In addition, it seems like lots of Osteo med students are former nurses, chiros, paramedics, PT's, etc.

 

[OSUdoc08]

Two years ago, I graduated from Fordham with a BS in biology, and a 3.2 GPA. I wasn't sure what I was interested in, and decided to give nursing school a shot. I have finished 3 semesters of nursing school with a 4.0 GPA, and work 20 hours/week as a patient care tech (basically a nurse's aide) in a busy ICU in NY. I have realized that I no longer want to pursue nursing, but attend osteopathic medical school. I took the MCAT last week. Do you think that the nursing degree will hurt my chances of being accepted? I've heard that med schools aren't too keen on accepting nurses. maybe i am misinformed? does anyone have any insight concerning this? Thanks so much for any information!

Christine

There aren't too keen on people who only have a degree in nursing. Since you already have a degree in biology, you are good to go!

 

[stomper627]

The nurses in my class may have not done as well as others in the preclinical years, but once clinicals started....they were hands down much further along than the rest of us....who could barely find our own a$$holes....

 

[Doc2B-Finally]

Two years ago, I graduated from Fordham with a BS in biology, and a 3.2 GPA. I wasn't sure what I was interested in, and decided to give nursing school a shot. I have finished 3 semesters of nursing school with a 4.0 GPA, and work 20 hours/week as a patient care tech (basically a nurse's aide) in a busy ICU in NY. I have realized that I no longer want to pursue nursing, but attend osteopathic medical school. I took the MCAT last week. Do you think that the nursing degree will hurt my chances of being accepted? I've heard that med schools aren't too keen on accepting nurses. maybe i am misinformed? does anyone have any insight concerning this? Thanks so much for any information!

Christine

Based on your background (Bachelor's in Bio) and then clinical experience (during Nursing), I think you are fine. You have experienced first hand what patient contact is like and based on your experience you want to pursue medicine (DO). ADCOMs like to see individuals who have "gotten their feet wet", prior to med school. Just do well in MCAT and apply early.
Did I say EARLY?
Good luck.

 

[oldManDO2009]

Two years ago, I graduated from Fordham with a BS in biology, and a 3.2 GPA. I wasn't sure what I was interested in, and decided to give nursing school a shot. I have finished 3 semesters of nursing school with a 4.0 GPA, and work 20 hours/week as a patient care tech (basically a nurse's aide) in a busy ICU in NY. I have realized that I no longer want to pursue nursing, but attend osteopathic medical school. I took the MCAT last week. Do you think that the nursing degree will hurt my chances of being accepted? I've heard that med schools aren't too keen on accepting nurses. maybe i am misinformed? does anyone have any insight concerning this? Thanks so much for any information!

Christine

I have been a nurse for way to long (along with several other careers 🙄 ) and your nursing background is just fine. I think it is what got me into school - my MCAT scores were fair. I am worried about starting classes with all of those bio-chemistry majors! I will have to work hard to keep up - nursing courses do not prepare you for the intense science courses I am about to experience!!! Just apply, I feel confident you would be accepted. As for years 3 and 4 I will be ready to kick A$$ in clinicals since I am very familiar with the hospital and know where all the free food is....

TUCOM Class of 2009

 

[mddo2b]

Two years ago, I graduated from Fordham with a BS in biology, and a 3.2 GPA. I wasn't sure what I was interested in, and decided to give nursing school a shot. I have finished 3 semesters of nursing school with a 4.0 GPA, and work 20 hours/week as a patient care tech (basically a nurse's aide) in a busy ICU in NY. I have realized that I no longer want to pursue nursing, but attend osteopathic medical school. I took the MCAT last week. Do you think that the nursing degree will hurt my chances of being accepted? I've heard that med schools aren't too keen on accepting nurses. maybe i am misinformed? does anyone have any insight concerning this? Thanks so much for any information!

Christine

I can only speak for NYCOM, but it will NOT hurt you...and will help a great deal.....good luck

 

[DeLaughterDO]

There aren't too keen on people who only have a degree in nursing. Since you already have a degree in biology, you are good to go!

So, OSU; how would you know that ADCOMS do not like people with degrees in nursing? I have a degree in nursing and I had absolutely no difficulty gaining admission to my school of choice. And for whomever said nurses have more difficulty in the preclinical years, I am in the top 10 in our class. I guess I must be the exception to the rule, then?

To the OP; Go ahead and apply. The more experience you've had, the better - and I can guarantee you have had much more experience than the average applicant. I worked as a tech for a year before graduating in '99, then as an RN for 4 years before starting school... as I said above, I had no difficulty gaining interviews and admission into medical school.

Best of luck!!

 

[pushinepi2]

I'm sure you're loving all of the agreement! My personal experience was that DO schools try to integrate some of the "holistic" outlook into the interview process. While talking with admissions coordinators at UF, I was advised to quit post-bacc and pursue masters level research study in order to shore up my undergrad GPA. Conversely, most of the DO schools I applied at were eager to talk about my experiences as a medic in addition to health care delivery issues. Experience is definitely a plus PROVIDED that you have a decent science GPA and complete all the pre-reqs. The actual BSN probably matters little.

Good luck

PuSh

 

[stomper627]

And for whomever said nurses have more difficulty in the preclinical years, I am in the top 10 in our class. I guess I must be the exception to the rule, then?

Hmmm....a little defensive (like a typical nurse 😉 ) ...and not what was stated. If you reread my original post I stated that "the nurses in MY class may not have done AS WELL AS others during the preclinical years...." Where in my post did I say that nurses struggle? Dont do well? etc. No, I inferred that some people (nurses or not) who have been out of school for a few years may not do as well as a "still wet behind the ears Biochem major who took extra summer classes prior to starting medical school" in the preclinicals....
To get some real world work experience is not a bad thing...
stomper

 

[DeLaughterDO]

<snip> ....a little defensive (like a typical nurse 😉 ... <snip>

Wow.. if that's how you treat other medical professionals, I'm sure you will go far.

I notice you've matched into EM.. I think you'll find this attitude will not float there, where most of the nurses know more emergency medicine than you will for the first several years, and will save your a$$ more times than you can count.

sarcasm noted... and of course, since I'm not #1, I haven't done AS WELL AS some others, right??

Congrats on matching into EM.. I'm hoping to join you in the field in another year or two (EM class of 2010)...

jd

 

[OSUdoc08]

So, OSU; how would you know that ADCOMS do not like people with degrees in nursing? I have a degree in nursing and I had absolutely no difficulty gaining admission to my school of choice. And for whomever said nurses have more difficulty in the preclinical years, I am in the top 10 in our class. I guess I must be the exception to the rule, then?

To the OP; Go ahead and apply. The more experience you've had, the better - and I can guarantee you have had much more experience than the average applicant. I worked as a tech for a year before graduating in '99, then as an RN for 4 years before starting school... as I said above, I had no difficulty gaining interviews and admission into medical school.

Best of luck!!

Statistically, nursing majors have a lower acceptance rate to medical school than those with degrees in the arts & sciences.

Obviously with all statistics, there are outliers, like yourself.

 

[cooldreams]

While I don’t doubt the efficacy of a good nurse in the emergency department, I find it somewhat hard to believe that they would know more even after your “several years of medical school / residency”. If that were the case, what is the point to even having doctors?? I used to date a student nurse who then graduated. I would help her study quite regularly for tests and homeworks. The stuff was easy, maybe slightly harder than typical biology/anatomy undergrad classes, and some that were way easier. I see basically no correlation between that difficulty and medical school difficulty.

As for degree, I think you are all nuts. None of the schools REQUIRE a degree at all! DO or MD schools, except maybe just a few, they do not REQUIRE it. Thus, you see history majors going in. What right does a history major have over a nurse?? NONE! What you need is a competent science GPA with the core classes of premed. Then get a decent MCAT. Do all of that and don’t look like a tool during your interview and you should get in somewhere. Getting a second degree I doubt will help as much as the classes themselves adding to your GPA.

Get whatever degree you want. I don’t care who you are or your title, if you can’t do your job well then that is what I think of you every time I see you. If you do your job well then I remember that. You could be a janitor or nurse or doctor, does not matter. Take pride in what you do, work hard, play hard, and get some rest to do it all over again.

Back to the op's question. I think if you let nursing be a hindrance it will, same as if you won the Nobel peace prize and get embarrassed or get a huge ego or something and let it be a hindrance in some way - it will. Learn to "sell a freezer to an Eskimo" and go home happy. 😉

 

[cooldreams]

Statistically, nursing majors have a lower acceptance rate to medical school than those with degrees in the arts & sciences.

Obviously with all statistics, there are outliers, like yourself.

i dunno man

http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/2004/mcatgpabymaj1.htm

according to that, the typical matriculant is a bio major, but most of the bio majors that applied didnt matriculate. do you have data to back up your claim. you always catch me on this, so now its your turn 😀

it says nothing about nursing majors in particular. 😕

 

[oldManDO2009]

i don't think a lot of nurses apply to med school so that may effect the stats...as for competency nurse v new doc - i don't think you could compare them. A nurse that has been in the field for a while will have some tricks for handling those tough patients but the doc is gonna be responsible for the tesm approach to patient care so its like comparing apples and oranges IMHO


*at work and in a hurry - my excuse for grammatical errors 😉 *

 

[DeLaughterDO]

Never said getting a nursing degree is rocket science - it's not. No degree is (unless it's in rocket science.. 🙂). I was just noting that a degree is a degree. If a music major can get into med school after just taking the pre-reqs and the MCAT, then the chance is just as good for a person graduating with a degree in nursing (if not better because of experience, if they worked any period of time). I don't think ADCOMs care, so long as you're not a complete tool and you show the required aptitude.

As far as a nurse not knowing more than a green intern in the ED, come on.. in ANY area of the hospital, until a doc has been there for at least a few months, the nurses guide them along, making sure they don't kill anyone with their stupid mistakes. That is the biggest job nurses do - make sure the new docs don't kill too many patients. There is a reason they say "don't get sick in july.." Granted, you are correct in your assertion that the physician makes the final decisions regarding the care of a patient. However, if they are smart (and preferably humble, just as we all SHOULD be), they listen to the wisdom of the nurses that have been working there for years.

cheers,

jd

 

[stomper627]

While I don’t doubt the efficacy of a good nurse in the emergency department, I find it somewhat hard to believe that they would know more even after your “several years of medical school / residency”. If that were the case, what is the point to even having doctors?? I used to date a student nurse who then graduated. I would help her study quite regularly for tests and homeworks. The stuff was easy, maybe slightly harder than typical biology/anatomy undergrad classes, and some that were way easier. I see basically no correlation between that difficulty and medical school difficulty.

Actually I agree whole heartedly with Delaugher on this one. The nursing staff can surely make or break you while a med student and intern/resident. Obviously as a physician progresses through his/her residency the role becomes reverse and the knowledge the physician becomes far superior. An attitude many students show (and one I was playing with delaugher) will only make you life hell in the hospital.
Please dont confuse PRECLINICAL education of MSI and MSII with CLINICAL which is where real medicine is learned. Most of PRECLINICAL is crap, and a lot is forgotten rather quickly.

 

[DeLaughterDO]

Actually I agree whole heartedly with Delaugher on this one. The nursing staff can surely make or break you while a med student and intern/resident. Obviously as a physician progresses through his/her residency the role becomes reverse and the knowledge the physician becomes far superior. An attitude many students show (and one I was playing with delaugher) will only make you life hell in the hospital.
Please dont confuse PRECLINICAL education of MSI and MSII with CLINICAL which is where real medicine is learned. Most of PRECLINICAL is crap, and a lot is forgotten rather quickly.

Agree 10000000% with you on this one Stomper.. preclinical medicine is memorization in preparation for where you really learn medicine - clinical years and (most of all) residency.

sorry to jack the topic on this one.

jd

 

[cooldreams]

Actually I agree whole heartedly with Delaugher on this one. The nursing staff can surely make or break you while a med student and intern/resident. Obviously as a physician progresses through his/her residency the role becomes reverse and the knowledge the physician becomes far superior. An attitude many students show (and one I was playing with delaugher) will only make you life hell in the hospital.
Please dont confuse PRECLINICAL education of MSI and MSII with CLINICAL which is where real medicine is learned. Most of PRECLINICAL is crap, and a lot is forgotten rather quickly.

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ok so like, just to be clear, when i said "after several years of medical school / residency" you took that to mean ms1 and ms2 years.

what i meant was after those years.

so i still dont believe a nurse experienced or not will know more or be more valueable than a doctor after, read AFTER medical school and residency.

are you really going to argue that they are? if so we should close all the medical schools because they are doing no good at all apparently...

i, however, on the otherhand do not think that, and would like the medical schools to stay open. if you think nurses are so much smarter, knowledgable, and useful than are doctors, go be one. i dont care. 😉

i do see the usefullness of a nurse, but that is not greater than a doctor. a nurse based on todays environment will never be more knowledgable than a doctor, except i suppose in extreme circumstances i.e. ultra high iq nurse studies medicine in spare time compared to doctor that just got shot in his/her head.... 😀

 

[prince_moses]

dont listen to anyone that tells you that having a Nursing degree will not help you they are just jealous that you have an edge over them. Good luck

 

[prince_moses]

Dont listen to anyone foolsih enough to say a Nursing degree will somehoe hinder your chances at getting accepted these people are just jealous cuase u have an edge in clinical experiance.

 

[stomper627]

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ok so like, just to be clear, when i said "after several years of medical school / residency" you took that to mean ms1 and ms2 years.

what i meant was after those years.

so i still dont believe a nurse experienced or not will know more or be more valueable than a doctor after, read AFTER medical school and residency.

are you really going to argue that they are? if so we should close all the medical schools because they are doing no good at all apparently...

i, however, on the otherhand do not think that, and would like the medical schools to stay open. if you think nurses are so much smarter, knowledgable, and useful than are doctors, go be one. i dont care. 😉

i do see the usefullness of a nurse, but that is not greater than a doctor. a nurse based on todays environment will never be more knowledgable than a doctor, except i suppose in extreme circumstances i.e. ultra high iq nurse studies medicine in spare time compared to doctor that just got shot in his/her head.... 😀

settle down there defensive one....
I was involved with a discussion with delaughter, and you interjected that nurses were inferior in their knowledge. My response to you was in reference to being a medstudent and an intern. As stated in my post...."as a physician grows thru residency the knowledge of the physician becomes far greater...."
You certainly lack the knowledge of clinical medicine. And it shows. Nurses have their places, sure, and a lot of it is the structure of the hospital.
I have never said that a nurse is "smarter" than a doctor. But I can say that a nurse may be more competent than a doctor. Dont get sick in July!!!!!
I hope you make it thru your preclinicals to see what its like.

 

[cooldreams]

settle down there defensive one....
I was involved with a discussion with delaughter, and you interjected that nurses were inferior in their knowledge. My response to you was in reference to being a medstudent and an intern. As stated in my post...."as a physician grows thru residency the knowledge of the physician becomes far greater...."
You certainly lack the knowledge of clinical medicine. And it shows. Nurses have their places, sure, and a lot of it is the structure of the hospital.
I have never said that a nurse is "smarter" than a doctor. But I can say that a nurse may be more competent than a doctor. Dont get sick in July!!!!!
I hope you make it thru your preclinicals to see what its like.

yes very much so inferior compared to a fully licensed doctor with regards to medical ability, which has been the subject of the whole conversation throughout (when it started deteroirating, prior this was not even the subject). you were the first to compare a fully licensed nursed to an ms1 or ms2 student doctor, and a point of comparison i never commented on.

dont get sick??? shouldnt that apply to you? im not an ms4 😕

i will make it through, you can bet on that.

and i still do not buy a nurse being more "competent" than a doctor. let me assume you are refering to a fully licensed doctor like the rest of us are talking about. in that assumption, no, the doctor will normally be far more competent. why do you compare ms1/ms2 student doctors who probally have not had any prior medical training to nurses who are "experienced" and have probabblly had several years of training.

if you wish to compare to a student doctor ms1/ms2 then MAYBE the nurse will be, and i say maybe because some of the ms1/ms2 students were nurses, emts, etc themselves and in those cases the ms1/ms2s may still be more competent. however, i could still not say that since the nurse is in medical school that the nurse is somehow across the board more competent. i am sure there are many nurses that are very competent and never had or will have any intention on going to medical school.

if i may, let me recall how this thread died. it appears to me when you put in the crack against nurses, that delaughter spoke up and said that nurses will be more knowledgable than specifically YOU will in the emergency room for several years. I assume she would have generalized it to graduated doctors.

so in my eyes, in each scenerio, you are wrong. have a great day, student doctor 😉


this is my last post in this obviously deteriorated thread. when/if you counter anything i said, dont be surprised to get nothing out of me - and maybe that is for the best, in fact that is why im doing this, for the best. i pray you all have a great day. God bless.
👍

 

[stomper627]

As I have said, I will not make the comparison between a fully liscensed physician and a nurse. It is obvious. But I will make the comparison between a student (ms1-4)/intern and a nurse.
All I have said from in the beginning, is that a nurse if s/he enters med school will be more competent during those early clinical years than a student who has not had that clinical experience. You have mistaken EVERY point I have tried to make and obviously have issues regarding nurses. I am not a nurse, never was, never will be.
You were the one that degenerated this into a "nurses vs. doctor" No one else on this board did that until you.
Dont get sick in july=interns start in july. Meaning Dr.s with little training are taking care of sick patients. Gotta point everything out for you....
DONT ASSUME, YOU MAKE AN "ASS" out of "U" and "ME"

 

[prince_moses]

yes very much so inferior compared to a fully licensed doctor with regards to medical ability, which has been the subject of the whole conversation throughout (when it started deteroirating, prior this was not even the subject). you were the first to compare a fully licensed nursed to an ms1 or ms2 student doctor, and a point of comparison i never commented on.

dont get sick??? shouldnt that apply to you? im not an ms4 😕

i will make it through, you can bet on that.

and i still do not buy a nurse being more "competent" than a doctor. let me assume you are refering to a fully licensed doctor like the rest of us are talking about. in that assumption, no, the doctor will normally be far more competent. why do you compare ms1/ms2 student doctors who probally have not had any prior medical training to nurses who are "experienced" and have probabblly had several years of training.

if you wish to compare to a student doctor ms1/ms2 then MAYBE the nurse will be, and i say maybe because some of the ms1/ms2 students were nurses, emts, etc themselves and in those cases the ms1/ms2s may still be more competent. however, i could still not say that since the nurse is in medical school that the nurse is somehow across the board more competent. i am sure there are many nurses that are very competent and never had or will have any intention on going to medical school.

if i may, let me recall how this thread died. it appears to me when you put in the crack against nurses, that delaughter spoke up and said that nurses will be more knowledgable than specifically YOU will in the emergency room for several years. I assume she would have generalized it to graduated doctors.

so in my eyes, in each scenerio, you are wrong. have a great day, student doctor 😉


this is my last post in this obviously deteriorated thread. when/if you counter anything i said, dont be surprised to get nothing out of me - and maybe that is for the best, in fact that is why im doing this, for the best. i pray you all have a great day. God bless.
👍

Cooldreams ur gonna be one those M.D's who things they are God and everyone working with you including other M.D's will just think your a jacka**.

 

[DORoe]

Cooldreams ur gonna be one those M.D's who things they are God and everyone working with you including other M.D's will just think your a jacka**.

EDIT *DO* not MD

 

[pushinepi2]

When I was working as a paramedic, the ED nurses routinely threw away my field blood draws and discontinued my IV starts because I, "had no idea what I was doing." (To be fair, this practice stopped after two years when I gained some 'street cred' with the emergency department nurses.)

When I was on clinical rotations, nurses threw away my bloods and discontinued my IV starts because I, "still had no idea what I was doing." One RN threatened to complain to the nurse manager if I continued starting IVs and drawing labs on, "her patients" without prior authorization.

Now, when I work as an intern, I'll be reminded of how generally incompetent I am and how patients should flee from my approach, especially in July.

Medicine is one of the oldest hierarchies around. Misunderstanding and miscommunication results in the formation of bad habits and attitudes. Just be polite, bring in lots of fresh coffee, and realize that nurses will influence most of your clinical life. Though physicians wield the power of the pen, nurses will always find novel and interesting ways to make a mean resident's life miserable. I surrendered some time ago.

🙂

Waving the white flag....
-PuSh
"Pardon me, but would you like some help with that IV start ? How about that NG tube ? I just love getting down and dirty with the charcoal."

 

[prince_moses]

When I was working as a paramedic, the ED nurses routinely threw away my field blood draws and discontinued my IV starts because I, "had no idea what I was doing." (To be fair, this practice stopped after two years when I gained some 'street cred' with the emergency department nurses.)

When I was on clinical rotations, nurses threw away my bloods and discontinued my IV starts because I, "still had no idea what I was doing." One RN threatened to complain to the nurse manager if I continued starting IVs and drawing labs on, "her patients" without prior authorization.

Now, when I work as an intern, I'll be reminded of how generally incompetent I am and how patients should flee from my approach, especially in July.

Medicine is one of the oldest hierarchies around. Misunderstanding and miscommunication results in the formation of bad habits and attitudes. Just be polite, bring in lots of fresh coffee, and realize that nurses will influence most of your clinical life. Though physicians wield the power of the pen, nurses will always find novel and interesting ways to make a mean resident's life miserable. I surrendered some time ago.

🙂

Waving the white flag....
-PuSh
"Pardon me, but would you like some help with that IV start ? How about that NG tube ? I just love getting down and dirty with the charcoal."

Good post bro, ha ha ha it just goes to show that Medicine is a job that requires not only medical knowledge but knowledge about humanity in general.
There are the patients and colleagues, one must juggle them to become a great Doctor, Nurse or Paramedic.

 

[sacrament]

Dont listen to anyone foolsih enough to say a Nursing degree will somehoe hinder your chances at getting accepted these people are just jealous cuase u have an edge in clinical experiance.

I have heard that in the DO world, a nursing degree does not hurt you. It's somewhat irrelevant to y'all, but it may be of some interest to know that In the allopathic world, the general consensus is that it certainly does hurt you. One explanation I've heard for this is that adcoms are wary of people who bounce around in the health care profession without "finding a home" and feel that if you went through a nursing program and then changed your mind, you are not sufficiently committed. Another explanation I've heard is that adcoms don't want to "steal" people from direly understaffed fields (e.g. nursing). Why a difference apparently exists between DO and MD adcom philosophies, I cannot say.

 

[cooldreams]

I have heard that in the DO world, a nursing degree does not hurt you. It's somewhat irrelevant to y'all, but it may be of some interest to know that In the allopathic world, the general consensus is that it certainly does hurt you. One explanation I've heard for this is that adcoms are wary of people who bounce around in the health care profession without "finding a home" and feel that if you went through a nursing program and then changed your mind, you are not sufficiently committed. Another explanation I've heard is that adcoms don't want to "steal" people from direly understaffed fields (e.g. nursing). Why a difference apparently exists between DO and MD adcom philosophies, I cannot say.

wow. those are really pathetic reasons for allopathic schools to reject someone. a nursing degree (rn bsn) is a 4 yr degree same as a history major. what the hell reason to reject on someone who chose the most medically relavent field to study in undergrad and then pursue medicine with? very poor judgement on the adcoms part IMHO...

your other reason, steal them away from where they are badly needed? oh im sorry, i guess this must be RUSSIA where you are TOLD where you work at. NOT!!! 1- you can CHOOSE where you work at and 2- doctors are also very badly needed, and i would bet even more so than nurses since many states are tending towards passing laws to allow nurses to perform the same functions as doctors when there are no doctors present.

all in all very poor reasons to shoot down a nurse. and btw, i have a bias against some nurses, but i hold myself to be very fair to everyone.

👎

 

[cooldreams]

When I was working as a paramedic, the ED nurses routinely threw away my field blood draws and discontinued my IV starts because I, "had no idea what I was doing." (To be fair, this practice stopped after two years when I gained some 'street cred' with the emergency department nurses.)

When I was on clinical rotations, nurses threw away my bloods and discontinued my IV starts because I, "still had no idea what I was doing." One RN threatened to complain to the nurse manager if I continued starting IVs and drawing labs on, "her patients" without prior authorization.

Now, when I work as an intern, I'll be reminded of how generally incompetent I am and how patients should flee from my approach, especially in July.

Medicine is one of the oldest hierarchies around. Misunderstanding and miscommunication results in the formation of bad habits and attitudes. Just be polite, bring in lots of fresh coffee, and realize that nurses will influence most of your clinical life. Though physicians wield the power of the pen, nurses will always find novel and interesting ways to make a mean resident's life miserable. I surrendered some time ago.

🙂

Waving the white flag....
-PuSh
"Pardon me, but would you like some help with that IV start ? How about that NG tube ? I just love getting down and dirty with the charcoal."

ive been privy to witness many such occurances, from a nurses viewpoint. i think the nurses are still nuts that do that stuff.

 

[cooldreams]

Good post bro, ha ha ha it just goes to show that Medicine is a job that requires not only medical knowledge but knowledge about humanity in general.
There are the patients and colleagues, one must juggle them to become a great Doctor, Nurse or Paramedic.

but mostly medical knowledge, of which nurses rely on doctors. not the other way around.

 

[cooldreams]

EDIT *DO* not MD

😀 yes im in osteopathic school 😎 , not allopathic. 🙄

 

[cooldreams]

Cooldreams ur gonna be one those M.D's who things they are God and everyone working with you including other M.D's will just think your a jacka**.

hmm... this was a thread i said i wouldnt post in anymore huh?

soo... are you like argueing against me on some particular point or are you just unable to form any witty comeback to defame my character so you just give up and call me a jacka(star)(star) to be?

btw, i am probably one of the few who will out right tell you i am not God, and that Jesus is God. I am a strong Christian, however i will never force my beliefs on anyone so no worries 🙂 .... its always a choice you make... between you and God........ good luck.....

 

[DORoe]

all in all very poor reasons to shoot down a nurse. and btw, i have a bias against some nurses, but i hold myself to be very fair to everyone.

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Seriously you did not just write this sentence. Please tell me that someone stole your account and is writing this as a joke.

 

[cooldreams]

Seriously you did not just write this sentence. Please tell me that someone stole your account and is writing this as a joke.

i think im fair. however both think & fair are subjective 😀

and some nurses i know i do hold a bias against because i have seen them in action. can you honestly say you have no bias against some people? i did not say against all nurses, and i do know some nurses who are absolutely wonderful at what they do and with people. but some are not, and are down right scary. i try to avoid those ones actually...

what is wrong? 😕

 

[DORoe]

bi·as ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bs)
n.
2 a. A preference or an inclination, especially one that inhibits impartial judgment.
b. An unfair act or policy stemming from prejudice.

Yes I can honestly say that I am not biased against people. That implies an unfair act or policy stemming from prejudice. People that have fairly earned my disrespect get it.

 

[oldManDO2009]

i think im fair. however both think & fair are subjective 😀

and some nurses i know i do hold a bias against because i have seen them in action. can you honestly say you have no bias against some people? i did not say against all nurses, and i do know some nurses who are absolutely wonderful at what they do and with people. but some are not, and are down right scary. i try to avoid those ones actually...

what is wrong? 😕

I have worked with a few doctors that have been very questionable in respects to their skills and I would not allow them to treat my dog. This holds true in every profession. Look, nurses show up 24/7 and have to deal with a lot of crap (literal and figurative) - they usually take the brunt of patient complaints and down right anger! Doctors have important jobs and so does a nurse - to treat the patient requires a team approach. Nothing would get done in the hospital without EVERYONE cooperating (lab/radiology/nursing/etc) and that is why a doctor is a member of the healthcare team. Those doctors that think they are more important than everyone else usually have a more difficult time in the hospital. From my experience I am more than happy to work with docs that realize the above concept.

 

[sacrament]

wow. those are really pathetic reasons for allopathic schools to reject someone. a nursing degree (rn bsn) is a 4 yr degree same as a history major. what the hell reason to reject on someone who chose the most medically relavent field to study in undergrad and then pursue medicine with? very poor judgement on the adcoms part IMHO...

I think they're decent reasons, actually. You should get a nursing degree if you want to be a nurse. If you're getting a nursing degree because you want to be a doctor, I feel like you're wasting the program's time, you're wasting your time, and you're potentially taking a seat from somebody who actually wants to be a nurse.

your other reason, steal them away from where they are badly needed? oh im sorry, i guess this must be RUSSIA where you are TOLD where you work at. NOT!!!

You're not told where you can work at; nobody forced anybody to get that nursing degree. (btw, they don't even do that in Russia anymore.) Now, if somebody gets their degree, works for several years as a nurse and then decides, hey, I want to be a doctor... well, that's a different story. But I would be wary about taking somebody fresh out of nursing school. Why the hell did they go through nursing school if they apparently wanted to be a doctor? Nursing isn't a "pre-med" degree.

 

[cooldreams]

I think they're decent reasons, actually. You should get a nursing degree if you want to be a nurse. If you're getting a nursing degree because you want to be a doctor, I feel like you're wasting the program's time, you're wasting your time, and you're potentially taking a seat from somebody who actually wants to be a nurse.

You're not told where you can work at; nobody forced anybody to get that nursing degree. (btw, they don't even do that in Russia anymore.) Now, if somebody gets their degree, works for several years as a nurse and then decides, hey, I want to be a doctor... well, that's a different story. But I would be wary about taking somebody fresh out of nursing school. Why the hell did they go through nursing school if they apparently wanted to be a doctor? Nursing isn't a "pre-med" degree.

oh i guess history is a premed degree? nursing is the most medically relevant premed degree there is. last i checked there was no huge competition to get into nursing school, and there are tons of them out there like about 700 programs. my local community college is easy to get into for example, no waiting list or anything. 😕

right, no one forced them to get the nursing degree. so why make it such a hardship on someone who decided to get it? that is basically sending word out to everyone, dont go into nursing because ppl will look down on you and make it hard for you to succeed in life.

 

[cooldreams]

I have worked with a few doctors that have been very questionable in respects to their skills and I would not allow them to treat my dog. This holds true in every profession. Look, nurses show up 24/7 and have to deal with a lot of crap (literal and figurative) - they usually take the brunt of patient complaints and down right anger! Doctors have important jobs and so does a nurse - to treat the patient requires a team approach. Nothing would get done in the hospital without EVERYONE cooperating (lab/radiology/nursing/etc) and that is why a doctor is a member of the healthcare team. Those doctors that think they are more important than everyone else usually have a more difficult time in the hospital. From my experience I am more than happy to work with docs that realize the above concept.

i very much agree. my problem is when members of the team purposely ignore the other and create a dangerous situation for the patient as i have seen in a number of nurses because they THOUGHT the doctor was wrong.

 

[cooldreams]

bi·as ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bs)
n.
2 a. A preference or an inclination, especially one that inhibits impartial judgment.
b. An unfair act or policy stemming from prejudice.

Yes I can honestly say that I am not biased against people. That implies an unfair act or policy stemming from prejudice. People that have fairly earned my disrespect get it.

http://dict.die.net/bias/

n 1: a partiality that prevents objective consideration of an
issue or situation

based on my previous experience, i could not give an objective consideration to these nurses i know.

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[sacrament]

oh i guess history is a premed degree?

Yeah, I think it's much more useful to round out your education by getting, for example, a history degree. A nursing degree will consist of some stuff that you'll just have to rehash again in medical school, and some other stuff that you'll never use again and will not contribute to your well-roundedness. This is why there is no "pre-med" degree at most universities and why med schools discourage students from pursuing such degrees.

last i checked there was no huge competition to get into nursing school

This may be true for some programs, but at my school there is rather intense competition.

The bottom-line is that if you already have a nursing degree and still want to be a doctor, then okay, you can probably make a good case. But I think (and many adcoms agree) that it's incredibly ill-advised to use nursing school explicitly and exclusively as pre-med training.

 

[cooldreams]

Yeah, I think it's much more useful to round out your education by getting, for example, a history degree. A nursing degree will consist of some stuff that you'll just have to rehash again in medical school, and some other stuff that you'll never use again and will not contribute to your well-roundedness. This is why there is no "pre-med" degree at most universities and why med schools discourage students from pursuing such degrees.



This may be true for some programs, but at my school there is rather intense competition.

The bottom-line is that if you already have a nursing degree and still want to be a doctor, then okay, you can probably make a good case. But I think (and many adcoms agree) that it's incredibly ill-advised to use nursing school explicitly and exclusively as pre-med training.

what do ppl remark positively most about nurses? their ppl skills right??

what do ppl remark negatively most about doctors? their ppl skills right??

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nursing, emt, pa these should all help someone become better with ppl.

hmm... to get a nursing 4yr degree, you typically take the same basic classes as a bio major.

 

[sacrament]

what do ppl remark positively most about nurses? their ppl skills right??

what do ppl remark negatively most about doctors? their ppl skills right??

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Uh, maybe. I think both of those statements are questionable, especially the first one. But just assuming that you're right, I'm not sure what your point is. That if doctors went through nursing school first, they'd have better people skills?

 

[cooldreams]

Uh, maybe. I think both of those statements are questionable, especially the first one. But just assuming that you're right, I'm not sure what your point is. That if doctors went through nursing school first, they'd have better people skills?

mostly that it cant hurt to go through it, and to reject someone simply on the basis of having gone to one is down right disgusting. 👎 👎 👎 👎

 

[christinejane19]

I went to nursing school because I was interested in healthcare, and thought I'd prefer the patient contact and concentrated care associated with critical care nursing. However, when I got in the hospital during clinicals and work, I realized that I would never make decisions in the nurse's role. I also became frustrated because I thought that nursing school would teach me some sort of pathology. So, I found myself almost done with nursing school, and no idea about disease process, and only one very limited 3-credit course in pharmocology. This made me realize that I do not want any part of patient treatment if I do not fully understand the patient's condition. Therefore, I decided I wanted to go to medical school fresh out of nursing school.

Christine