How would you rank these schools that are not in US News?

[SCUBA GIRL]

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I don't want to create controversy and i know this question may be objective, but in general, how would you rank these schools in terms of reputation in everything and the likelihood to be considered into more competitive residencies once you graduate:

George Washington
Georgetown
Drexel
Penn State
New York Medical College
U Vermont
Rosalind Franklin
Drew
Virginia Commonwealth
Ohio State
Temple
Loma Linda
UNMDJ
U Pittsburg
U Illinois
Morehouse
Wayne State
Wright State
U Louisville
Michigan DO
Michigan MD
SUNY


Feel free to cut and paste in any order.... this should be an interesting discussion to help those starting out in the process and don't necessarily have much beyond websites and MSAR

 

[NapeSpikes]

By rankings alone, Pitt and UMich clearly don't belong in that group. These are higher ranked than the rest.

 

[jbing]

the bottom of that barrel would probably be Rosalind Franklin and New York Medical College

 

[SCUBA GIRL]

By rankings alone, Pitt and UMich clearly don't belong in that group. These are higher ranked than the rest.

oops, i meant michigan state

 

[Indryd]

the bottom of that barrel would probably be Rosalind Franklin and New York Medical College

Worse than Drew? I thought Drew was like "THE" worst...no? Like they had some problems and are bordering on losing their accredidation or something like that?

 

[jbing]

at the very least, drew is affiliated with ucla, which can only help. i believe the first two years are alongside the ucla med students.

 

[DrHopeless]

Virginia Commonwealth isn't exactly on top of anyone list (at the least not in the beginning), but I like them in general, it is a good school and many students that I spoke to seems to like it a lot. Well it might be a bais opinion here and there, but I know that their board score isn't bad either.

 

[riceman04]

the bottom of that barrel would probably be Rosalind Franklin and New York Medical College

NYMC might be at the bottom of your barrel but NYMC is much better than Drexel and SUNY

And dont even mention Drew in the same post with any of these schools....That school is a mess just like the hospital

 

[lowbudget]

GW>Georgetown: Georgetown has a name, but more so from their Poli Sci department. Someone was telling me that GW gets more patients than Georgetown because of location and that all the Capitol Hill people go to GW. But double check on that, could be just a rumor.

Temple>Drexel: Only because I have more friends who chose Temple over Drexel.

Pitt's up there. UNMDJ is up there. Louisville is up there.

Med schools/centers are very regional. So many places have a regional reputation that you won't appreciate unless you are from that area. A school with a national reputation doesn't mean crap either because that reputation is based on some man-made metric. So dig deep and find the right one for you.

 

[SCUBA GIRL]

how about specifically between GW, Rosalind Franklin, NYMC, Drexel, penn state, UNMDJ, SUNY..? what would be the general order for these in terms of reputation and competitveness and better residency afterwards?

 

[Bap2qwrq7]

how about specifically between GW, Rosalind Franklin, NYMC, Drexel, penn state, UNMDJ, SUNY..? what would be the general order for these in terms of reputation and competitveness and better residency afterwards?

I think once you get past a certain point in the rankings, the match lists for the schools tend to look the same. Just based on some personal experiences, SLU is technically ranked at 62 and MUO (formerly MCO) isn't ranked at all, but both match lists look pretty much the same. You can do a search in the forums for the match lists this past year for the above schools and you will see that they really don't differ much.

I think when it comes down to it for "unranked" schools, location and teaching style for the first two years come into play moreso then anything else.

 

[gujuDoc]

http://www.amsa.org/premed/medsurvey/

A good site to look at to see how med students rank different aspects of their school.

 

[Phil Anthropist]

As others have implied, some of those medical schools are ranked by US News.

Rosalind Franklin and NYMC might surprise you with their residency placements. See my Residency Match List thread in my signature below if you're curious.

There are three UMDNJ schools (I know it's an odd acronym, but NJ stands for New Jersey people! 😛 ). Two are allopathic (NJMS and RWJ) and one is osteopathic (SOM).

There are also many SUNYs.

So you might want to specify which UMDNJ school(s) and which SUNY school(s) you're interested in.

 

[NRAI2001]

at the very least, drew is affiliated with ucla, which can only help. i believe the first two years are alongside the ucla med students.

So are drew and ucla two separate schools? They re both in Socal right?

Does anyone know the avg stats for drew? Thanks.

 

[SanDiegoSOD]

I wouldn't bother ranking them until you are accepted by them all. Because it doesn't matter until then, really. 😉

 

[SCUBA GIRL]

I wouldn't bother ranking them until you are accepted by them all. Because it doesn't matter until then, really. 😉

i would not had bothered asking that question if i had enough money to interview at all of these schools... that's why i'm trying to narrow down my choice and get advice from those who do give good advice 😎

 

[tacrum43]

I don't want to create controversy and i know this question may be objective, but in general, how would you rank these schools in terms of reputation in everything and the likelihood to be considered into more competitive residencies once you graduate:

George Washington
Georgetown
Drexel
Penn State
New York Medical College
U Vermont
Rosalind Franklin
Drew
Virginia Commonwealth
Ohio State
Temple
Loma Linda
UNMDJ
U Pittsburg
U Illinois
Morehouse
Wayne State
Wright State
U Louisville
Michigan DO
Michigan MD
SUNY


Feel free to cut and paste in any order.... this should be an interesting discussion to help those starting out in the process and don't necessarily have much beyond websites and MSAR

You know, some of these ARE ranked, like I remember Michigan State DO was actually #9 in primary care (including M.D. schools). I'm pretty sure Georgetown is ranked too, maybe #55 or so in research?

 

[topdogg82]

pretty sure ohio state is ranked- 37 i think?

 

[Medikit]

Here is my ranking scheme, it makes a lot of sense, I took a LOT OF FACTORS into consideration so if you don't like it then tough beans.

1. Drew
2. Drexel
3. George Washington
4. Georgetown
5. Loma Linda
6. Michigan DO
7. Michigan MD
8. Morehouse
9. New York Medical College
10. Ohio State
11. Penn State
12. Rosalind Franklin
13. SUNY
14. Temple
15. U Illinois
16. U Louisville
17. UNMDJ
18. U Pittsburg
19. U Vermont
29. Virginia Commonwealth
30. Wayne State
31. Wright State

 

[Just Applied]

I think Georgetown's reputation is pretty high as compared to GW. Even if the hospital issue is true, the caliber of students coming from GT is impressive (not to say GW's isnt). I think this is shown through GT's match list.

 

[LionInTheDark]

Pitt's somewhere around #15 research rankings and I think decently ranked for primary care (around #30 or so???). They teach patient care VERY well, which is probably most important for you.

I have a friend at VCU for emergency med and he loves it.

Temple might not have the reputation of other schools, but if you want to practice in Pennsylvania, esp. Philadelphia, it will do well for you.

Penn State is, if I recall correctly, a rural campus and has a focus on rural medicine.

Not sure about the others.

-Lion

 

[DrBowtie]

Here is my ranking scheme, it makes a lot of sense, I took a LOT OF FACTORS into consideration so if you don't like it then tough beans.

1. Drew
2. Drexel
3. George Washington
4. Georgetown
5. Loma Linda
6. Michigan DO
7. Michigan MD
8. Morehouse
9. New York Medical College
10. Ohio State
11. Penn State
12. Rosalind Franklin
13. SUNY
14. Temple
15. U Illinois
16. U Louisville
17. UNMDJ
18. U Pittsburg
19. U Vermont
29. Virginia Commonwealth
30. Wayne State
31. Wright State

Yeah those many factors really made the list VERY accurate.

 

[TheMightyAngus]

Seriously, aside from the "Wow" schools (HMS, Hopkins, etc) it really doesn't matter which school you attend if you're concerned for residency or career advancement. If you really want to do your residency in a certain area of the country, apply to schools in the region. But, residency program directors have better things to do than rank less prestigious medical schools. None of them confer a distinct advantage of the others. Do you really think that there is a difference in reputation in schools ranked below the top 50? Pick the programs that you like the most and apply there. GW vs. Georgetown, Drexel vs. Rosalind Franklin. Come on. You are really making a big deal over nothing.

 

[HarveyCushing]

Isn't University of Pittsburgh a top 50 medical school?

 

[Mediculous]

Here is my ranking scheme, it makes a lot of sense, I took a LOT OF FACTORS into consideration so if you don't like it then tough beans.

1. Drew
2. Drexel
3. George Washington
4. Georgetown
5. Loma Linda
6. Michigan DO
7. Michigan MD
8. Morehouse
9. New York Medical College
10. Ohio State
11. Penn State
12. Rosalind Franklin
13. SUNY
14. Temple
15. U Illinois
16. U Louisville
17. UNMDJ
18. U Pittsburg
19. U Vermont
29. Virginia Commonwealth
30. Wayne State
31. Wright State

Hilarious

 

[Tigerstang]

why does everyone say G-dub over georgetown? just curious because i applied to Gtown but not Gdubs, but that's of course b/c I was a politics major in college so know georgetown's rep through the school of foreign service.

 

[gujuDoc]

Isn't University of Pittsburgh a top 50 medical school?

UPitt is actually a top 20 school, if I recall correctly. And if not that, it is at least top 30.

 

[TheMightyAngus]

UPitt is actually a top 20 school, if I recall correctly. And if not that, it is at least top 30.

Top 20 maybe, but it still isn't Harvard. I'm not trying to knock Pitt or any of the other schools on the list. But, the OP asked about reputation. Every med school is accredited, so they all are "good." The "most-good" schools are famous and have universal reputations. Comparing the good schools with each other is not very meaningful because none of them have significantly better reputations (from the perspective of residency program directors) than the others. Conversely, none of them have significantly worse reputations either.

 

[NRAI2001]

Why is drew so bad?

 

[newdude]

I hear pitt is upthere too.

 

[CTSballer11]

Seriously, aside from the "Wow" schools (HMS, Hopkins, etc) it really doesn't matter which school you attend if you're concerned for residency or career advancement. If you really want to do your residency in a certain area of the country, apply to schools in the region. But, residency program directors have better things to do than rank less prestigious medical schools. None of them confer a distinct advantage of the others. Do you really think that there is a difference in reputation in schools ranked below the top 50? Pick the programs that you like the most and apply there. GW vs. Georgetown, Drexel vs. Rosalind Franklin. Come on. You are really making a big deal over nothing.

Good Point.

 

[funshine]

Hilarious

yup, medikit's one of the few posters who's consistently funny and without a trace of meanness 🙂 👍

 

[idq1i]

Seriously, aside from the "Wow" schools (HMS, Hopkins, etc) it really doesn't matter which school you attend if you're concerned for residency or career advancement. If you really want to do your residency in a certain area of the country, apply to schools in the region. But, residency program directors have better things to do than rank less prestigious medical schools. None of them confer a distinct advantage of the others. Do you really think that there is a difference in reputation in schools ranked below the top 50? Pick the programs that you like the most and apply there. GW vs. Georgetown, Drexel vs. Rosalind Franklin. Come on. You are really making a big deal over nothing.

A sensible post in pre-allo!!! What is this world coming to?????

 

[gujuDoc]

Top 20 maybe, but it still isn't Harvard. I'm not trying to knock Pitt or any of the other schools on the list. But, the OP asked about reputation. Every med school is accredited, so they all are "good." The "most-good" schools are famous and have universal reputations. Comparing the good schools with each other is not very meaningful because none of them have significantly better reputations (from the perspective of residency program directors) than the others. Conversely, none of them have significantly worse reputations either.

I agree with what you are saying. I'm just pointing that out, because top 20 schools are pretty much more competitive to get into then say a much lower tiered school.

 

[ddmo]

Here is my ranking scheme, it makes a lot of sense, I took a LOT OF FACTORS into consideration so if you don't like it then tough beans.

1. Drew
2. Drexel
3. George Washington
4. Georgetown
5. Loma Linda
6. Michigan DO
7. Michigan MD
8. Morehouse
9. New York Medical College
10. Ohio State
11. Penn State
12. Rosalind Franklin
13. SUNY
14. Temple
15. U Illinois
16. U Louisville
17. UNMDJ
18. U Pittsburg
19. U Vermont
29. Virginia Commonwealth
30. Wayne State
31. Wright State

Damn, if only I had gone to a med school with a name starting with the letter A. Now I'm perpetually screwed.

 

[jc11011]

I think Georgetown's reputation is pretty high as compared to GW. Even if the hospital issue is true, the caliber of students coming from GT is impressive (not to say GW's isnt). I think this is shown through GT's match list.

I live in the DC Metropolitan area and I couldn't imagine going to GTown (while I applied to GW). This is because: 1) The tuition is rediculous and people graduate with an absurd amount of debt. 2) They really don't have a lot of good research going on. 3) Have you ever visited GTown? Helloooo! 4) The quality of students really ISN'T all that impressive.

I, for one, really don't think it deserves a good reputation.

 

[imsotired]

Here is my ranking scheme, it makes a lot of sense, I took a LOT OF FACTORS into consideration so if you don't like it then tough beans.

1. Drew
2. Drexel
3. George Washington
4. Georgetown
5. Loma Linda
6. Michigan DO
7. Michigan MD
8. Morehouse
9. New York Medical College
10. Ohio State
11. Penn State
12. Rosalind Franklin
13. SUNY
14. Temple
15. U Illinois
16. U Louisville
17. UNMDJ
18. U Pittsburg
19. U Vermont
29. Virginia Commonwealth
30. Wayne State
31. Wright State

hahahaha

 

[amojan99]

NYMC might be at the bottom of your barrel but NYMC is much better than Drexel and SUNY

And dont even mention Drew in the same post with any of these schools....That school is a mess just like the hospital

Being in Texas, how the hell would you know?

 

[themadchemist]

http://www.amsa.org/premed/medsurvey/

A good site to look at to see how med students rank different aspects of their school.

This is somewhat helpful, but with a small, self-selected N, these surveys aren't terribly indicative of overall student opinion.

 

[themadchemist]

Top 20 maybe, but it still isn't Harvard. I'm not trying to knock Pitt or any of the other schools on the list. But, the OP asked about reputation. Every med school is accredited, so they all are "good." The "most-good" schools are famous and have universal reputations. Comparing the good schools with each other is not very meaningful because none of them have significantly better reputations (from the perspective of residency program directors) than the others. Conversely, none of them have significantly worse reputations either.

I disagree. I think a Pitt or a Mayo or a Northwestern will take you further than a Drexel or Rosalind Franklin, or even a GW or Georgetown.

 

[boyz of 4d]

Posts like this usually result in nothing but flaming. I'm currently an MS1 at NYMC (but I got 7 acceptances) but I'd like to make a point. Basically besides the top 15-20 schools all the schools are same. Either way you'll get your degree, and if you're smart enough/work hard enough you'll match where you should. Almost every school has a few people match in competitive residencies. Why certain schools get so much hate on SDN (like NYMC/Finch) makes no sense to me because there match lists are more competitive than a bunch of schools (take a look at them before you assume they're not). Also, people who just go to a school based on name and rank are in for a real surprise. The last hting you want is to be at a school whose area you dont like on top of the stress from classes.

 

[CTSballer11]

I disagree. I think a Pitt or a Mayo or a Northwestern will take you further than a Drexel or Rosalind Franklin, or even a GW or Georgetown.

Schools do not take you anywhere. You have to have the numbers and class rank to match into your specialty. A better name school may help but you still have to perform, just like the student from a less known school.

 

[Herman Bloom]

I live in the DC Metropolitan area and I couldn't imagine going to GTown (while I applied to GW). This is because: 1) The tuition is rediculous and people graduate with an absurd amount of debt.

So you applied to GW instead...which has the second highest tuition for any private school in the country? It costs 42K per year for tuition alone.

Also, VCU (better known as MCV) is actually a "ranked" school....usually around 60ish or so, right on par with Jefferson, U Miami, GWU, and SLU.

But I don't think it really matters so much. MCV, for instance, has an excellent reputation in the Southeast for producing great clinicians.

 

[Rendar5]

SUNY is actually a lot of different schools. Stony Brook is the best. Downstate is pretty low because of research I'd guess. If u're into EM, Downstate > NYMC and stony brook. NYMC is good. If u want to just look at NYC area schools, what I've heard is

1. Columbia/Cornell
2. Einstein/NYU/Sinai
3. NYMC/Downstate.

but not sure how much that means. it all depends on the field u wanna go into and who u meet at each school. I know Einstein and Downstate are some of the best for EM in this area.

UPitt's a fantastic school. especially w/ patient care and EM. Don't know anything about the others though.

 

[riceman04]

Being in Texas, how the hell would you know?

Because I am from Los Angeles *******!!!!
Born and raised biatch!!!!....I only did my undergrad at Rice.

And seeing as how my father's former med. assistant is now at Drew doing heer residency, I think I should what is going on.

I'm rich biatch!
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Shut up Charlie Murphy!
Hey Charlie (in this case amojan), what do the five fingers say to the face?.....................SSSSSSSSSLAAAAAAAP!

 

[tennisnr]

Yeah haha U of Pittsburgh is a TOP 20 school and shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath with the others.

Ohio state I think is near 40 and still much above the others.

 

[SpeedRacer]

what does the hand say to the face?.....................SSSSSSSSSLAAAAAAAP!

i thought it was five fingers, not hand



where do you guys think EVMS fits into all this?

 

[Will Ferrell]

Yeah haha U of Pittsburgh is a TOP 20 school and shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath with the others.

Ohio state I think is near 40 and still much above the others.

You're kidding me? U. Pitt is one of the best medical schools in the country!

 

[angietron3000]

pretty sure ohio state is ranked- 37 i think?

37 for research, 23 for primary care 🙂

 

[riceman04]

i thought it was five fingers, not hand



where do you guys think EVMS fits into all this?

You are right! I forgot that quickly and I just watched it last night!