How's your NBME progression coming? scores and trends

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So I was thinking it would be a great idea to track how NBMEs are going and what question bank people are using. It gives us a good way to figure out how we're doing individually. I know it's not based on just sdn and there are a ton of people. But it's better than nothing. Also how long you've been studying. I guess I'll start!

After 1 week of studying
USMLEWorld: used 15% and overall correct is 48%
NBME 1: 172.5 :scared:

I know this is not great but hopefully a good starting point. I spent 2 days on biochem and one on behavioral science and the other times just doing questions. my overall goal is a 230. we'll see how it goes....

comment are highly appreciated. thanks! I'll keep this post updated. I hope others do too.🙂🙂🙂

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About a third - a half of the questions I missed were from those subjects. But there were definitely some weak areas among those that I studied (esp renal, neuro and pharm).

Well that is both good and bad. Means you should be able to get up to the 200+ mark by finishing up your studying. However, to me anyway, it looks like maybe the way you're going through it might not quite be working if a lot of your missed questions were from subjects you've already studied.

How is your Qbank going? I did a lot of studying, but so far it seems that my Qbank experience is what is doing me the most good! How many questions do you do per day and how do you review them?
 
What's the best NBME for maintaining confidence? I started nailing my uworld blocks in the past few days, landing in the 75-85% range consistently with a few blocks in the low 90's (46q, timed, unused, random, 32% completed). I want to take an NBME to validate my progress, but I really don't wanna take one and see that I've only improved a little since NBME 5 several weeks ago. Which one is a "feel good" test? I'm taking the beast in a little over 2 weeks and I need to keep my head right.
 
What's the best NBME for maintaining confidence? I started nailing my uworld blocks in the past few days, landing in the 75-85% range consistently with a few blocks in the low 90's (46q, timed, unused, random, 32% completed). I want to take an NBME to validate my progress, but I really don't wanna take one and see that I've only improved a little since NBME 5 several weeks ago. Which one is a "feel good" test? I'm taking the beast in a little over 2 weeks and I need to keep my head right.

UWSA 2 is a feel good test. Perhaps #7 too.
 
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What's the best NBME for maintaining confidence? I started nailing my uworld blocks in the past few days, landing in the 75-85% range consistently with a few blocks in the low 90's (46q, timed, unused, random, 32% completed). I want to take an NBME to validate my progress, but I really don't wanna take one and see that I've only improved a little since NBME 5 several weeks ago. Which one is a "feel good" test? I'm taking the beast in a little over 2 weeks and I need to keep my head right.

6 and 7 both made me feel good, and 11 and 12 did not, haha To be honest I took 7 and 11 in the same day and the scores were really close, but 7 just "felt" better. If I could take one test for a confidence boost it would have been 7...
 
if you're consistently at 75+ on UW then the SA wil be at least in that range, and will put your score around 250+. i get the confidence thing, but if i were you i'd hit up one of the harder nbmes. you already know you're doing really really well, why not test yourself? at least that's my plan...UW is great but I'm afraid I've gotten too 'into their heads'. now i just need to do that for the nbme guys haha
 
Well that is both good and bad. Means you should be able to get up to the 200+ mark by finishing up your studying. However, to me anyway, it looks like maybe the way you're going through it might not quite be working if a lot of your missed questions were from subjects you've already studied.

How is your Qbank going? I did a lot of studying, but so far it seems that my Qbank experience is what is doing me the most good! How many questions do you do per day and how do you review them?

Yeah, it's making me think I'm going to need a decently thorough second pass to pick up any details I've missed, rather than just focusing on what I considered my weak areas. It's just hard to say how many days that's going to require.

I'm about halfway through World. I'm doing a timed block at the end of each day over what I studied and a set of 4 random blocks on the weekend. Then I just go through them, making sure I understand the right answers and why I got them wrong and annotate my First Aid accordingly. My average is a 52%, which I guess correlates with a 200ish score.

Thank you so much for your replies. They've been a nice reality check on how I'm actually doing. My classmates and friends tend to be more blindly optimistic (we're studying so hard, we're all going to do great) so this has been really grounding. You seem set to do great on your test, good luck! If you have any words of wisdom, I'd love to hear them.
 
I'm going to hit up a double Practice test tomorrow... I was going to do one online (Nbme 6) and one offline (out of 2,3,4)- which one do you guys recommend?
 
I'm a little annoyed!

I took the school administered CBSE a week ago and scored a 240. I took NBME 6 yesterday and scored a 247.

Why the hell am I still in the low 60s with Uworld?!?!?! I started off in the high 60s and 70s, pulled down to a 60 avg for the past 10 blocks (I've scored exactly a 60% on every single one of them!!!). Why is this happening and can I trust those NBME scores?

PS I was the one who always said that the uworld scores mean nothing...guess it means something when those scores are screwing with me :laugh:
 
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I'm a little annoyed!

I took the school administered CBSE a week ago and scored a 240. I took NBME 6 yesterday and scored a 247.

Why the hell am I still in the low 60s with Uworld?!?!?! I started off in the high 60s and 70s, pulled down to a 60 avg for the past 10 blocks (I've scored exactly a 60% on every single one of them!!!). Why is this happening and can I trust those NBME scores?

PS I was the one who always said that the uworld scores mean nothing...guess it means something when those scores are screwing with me :laugh:

NBME questions are easier and uworld is more diffcult. Doing uworld well and NBME well requires different strategy.
 
NBME questions are easier and uworld is more diffcult. Doing uworld well and NBME well requires different strategy.
That sucks a bit. I thought I would be the type to kill the world questions and not do so well on the pure memorization nbme. When I redo these Uworld q's, I always get in the 80s and actually understand the concept (not just memorizing the answer). I hope that's good for something?
Since this test is a combo of nbme + uworld style q's, I'm guessing that those nbme scores aren't very predictive 🙁 I'll be taking uwsa1 next week...if I see a decent score on that, I'll feel a lot better. Until then, I'm going to assume those nbmes are overpredicting my true score.
 
if I see a decent score on that, I'll feel a lot better. Until then, I'm going to assume those nbmes are overpredicting my true score.

I'd take the NBME's estimate over UW's, wouldn't you? Especially when two NBME exams have me [you] north of 240.
 
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I'd take the NBME's estimate over UW's, wouldn't you? Especially when two NBME exams have me north of 240.
I would think so. But I also believe it totally depends on the individual. Those nbme q's really are very easy...and it seems like the current test is more uworld-like which is not good news for me.

I've totally been using uworld to learn from and really memorizing every bit of their explanation. I've gone through most of those questions a few times now. Unfortunately I have 300 leftover unused and whenever I do a chunk of those, it's not pretty. Then again, I've recently been approaching these by subject matter so a lot of the questions I would know how to answer (because I memorized a good portion of the FA chpt) are not in the unused pool.

I just want to make sure I'm moving in the right direction with my studying. After completing 80% of the qbank, I expect myself to be doing better. And if I'm not, I must be doing something wrong that I should change before it's too late.
 
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Hi Guys,

I notice that so many people do NBMEs. I wanted to kindly ask a quick question.

If you don't get detailed answers (or even what the correct answers are for the ones you got wrong), what's the value of taking NBMEs? I understand you can get an idea of where you stand in terms of predicted score and areas of weakness, but I feel that I should be using that time taking Qbank/Uworld questions and understanding where I went wrong. Also, even if my score predictions weren't that great, I would still take the actual exam on the date I signed up for (I can't change it d/t school deadline).

Can someone kindly let me know if I am missing something important? I am just sort of hesitant in shelling out $60 per exam without knowing if it will really benefit me (and the time to take it).
I understand some of you find good reasoning in taking it. I just wanted to hear some of the thought process behind that. Thanks a bunch. Wishing you all good luck in the studies!
 
NBME questions are easier and uworld is more diffcult. Doing uworld well and NBME well requires different strategy.

Yea this is very true. I finished UW with 79% cumulative on random and I'm scoring around 245-250 on NBME's. Thought I would be doing a little better. Kinda sucks.
 
Yea this is very true. I finished UW with 79% cumulative on random and I'm scoring around 245-250 on NBME's. Thought I would be doing a little better. Kinda sucks.

How is a 250 not doing well? At that point you're talking about 4 questions out of 200 is the difference between that and a 260. 4 questions out of that many isn't knowledge or skill, its a)How many stupid mistakes did you make this time (we always make some bit it fluctuates, and b)How lucky did you get with the inevitable few questions where you have to guess.

Don't beat yourself up. I got a 261 on NBME 7 which was missing 10 questions, and a 252 on NBME 11 which was missing 14 questions. If you are up in that range, in my opinion, anything above 240 is quasi chance.
 
yeah I agree, NBME is probably more predicative, it's just a difference between 100 easy question and 44 wtf is this question (NBME) vs. 120 diffcult question and 20 wtf is this question.

The hardest question I've encountered is on the NBME by far.
 
Yea this is very true. I finished UW with 79% cumulative on random and I'm scoring around 245-250 on NBME's. Thought I would be doing a little better. Kinda sucks.

A little perspective: your "kinda sucks" NBME estimates are so high, they make you competitive for basically anything medicine has to offer. Never mind being 30 points above average and a ~90th percentile score.

Dude, be happy about that. Congrats. 👍
 
Yea sorry I came off like a douche. I'm pretty happy with where I am ... I just started off with a 245 on my school CBSE 3 weeks ago and then I got a 245 on NBME 11 yesterday so it just sucks to see no progress after 3 weeks after finishing UW.

A little perspective: your "kinda sucks" NBME estimates are so high, they make you competitive for basically anything medicine has to offer. Never mind being 30 points above average and a ~90th percentile score.

Dude, be happy about that. Congrats. 👍
 
Yea sorry I came off like a douche. I'm pretty happy with where I am ... I just started off with a 245 on my school CBSE 3 weeks ago and then I got a 245 on NBME 11 yesterday so it just sucks to see no progress after 3 weeks after finishing UW.

See it as maintaining an awesome score.
 
how long does it take you guys to do a block of marked questions? same as the first pass, or move a little faster?
 
4/24 NBME 6 165
5/1 UWSA 1 186
5/8 NBME 11 193
5/15 UWSA 2 206
5/30 NBME 12 210


Not happy with any of these scores. 1.5 weeks left, going to take nmbe 7 in about a week.
 
I'll join in here....

NBME 6 ~ 4 weeks ago--> 233 (lots of dumb mistakes)
uWorld sim 1 ~ 3 weeks ago--> 256 (Nice!)
uWorld sim 2 ~ last weekend--> 254 (kinda bummed, kinda not...wasn't the most productive time period between these tests)

--so, assuming uWorld exaggerates the scores....safe to say I'm hopefully around ~240 land (pending another NBME soon)???
 
I'll join in here....

NBME 6 ~ 4 weeks ago--> 233 (lots of dumb mistakes)
uWorld sim 1 ~ 3 weeks ago--> 256 (Nice!)
uWorld sim 2 ~ last weekend--> 254 (kinda bummed, kinda not...wasn't the most productive time period between these tests)

--so, assuming uWorld exaggerates the scores....safe to say I'm hopefully around ~240 land (pending another NBME soon)???

I'm in a similar position, but worse!

I scored 220 on an NBME at baseline, then I studied for 6 days and scored 252 on UWSA1. I studied for another 6 days after that, and I just took UWSA2 but only scored 244! FUUUUUUDGE 😡 I missed 4 easy questions in the 1st block (i.e., the type that 75+% answer correctly) that I shouldn't have missed (I fell for their dirty tricks), so that might have made up some of the difference. Still... it sucks to see a drop in score. Anyway, my breakdown was 70/74/67/78. I knew I screwed up block 1, but I don't know what happened in block 3. I was disappointed I didn't land some blocks in the 80's, since I've been hitting in the 80's (and occasionally even 90's) on 46q random blocks lately. Such is life...
 
I'm in a similar position, but worse!

I scored 220 on an NBME at baseline, then I studied for 6 days and scored 252 on UWSA1. I studied for another 6 days after that, and I just took UWSA2 but only scored 244! FUUUUUUDGE 😡 I missed 4 easy questions in the 1st block (i.e., the type that 75+% answer correctly) that I shouldn't have missed (I fell for their dirty tricks), so that might have made up some of the difference. Still... it sucks to see a drop in score. Anyway, my breakdown was 70/74/67/78. I knew I screwed up block 1, but I don't know what happened in block 3. I was disappointed I didn't land some blocks in the 80's, since I've been hitting in the 80's (and occasionally even 90's) on 46q random blocks lately. Such is life...

Did you happen to disregard 2nd year path class and focus on FA/goljan a lot during the year?
 
Did you happen to disregard 2nd year path class and focus on FA/goljan a lot during the year?

Wait, what do you mean? I'll try to answer...

I only read about 20 pages of FA over the course of 2nd year and I have never touched RR path. It's too late to use RR at this point, so I'm just sticking solely to FA and UW. Since school let out about two weeks ago, I've been reading FA slowly and I have 45 pages left. I've done about 700 UW questions in timed, random blocks. No other boards prep, and I didn't do any questions throughout the year. Also, I've never touched any of the Robbins books or any other board review books.

Basically, I never went to class in MS2 and I crammed everything right before the tests. I'm probably an average student here grade-wise. Mostly honors, several high passes. Now that I've been going through FA, a bunch of stuff is coming back to me and I'm also making connections that I never made during the year.

FA+wikipedia constitutes about 75% of my study time, with UW filling in the rest.

Hopefully this is what you wanted to know 🙂

edit: I don't know if you were implying that my practice scores were good... If so, I'd say that it probably just because I've always been a decent test-taker. I have average knowledge, but I always get more questions right than I probably should. I don't know if that makes sense, but it's how I feel.
 
Wait, what do you mean? I'll try to answer...

I only read about 20 pages of FA over the course of 2nd year and I have never touched RR path. It's too late to use RR at this point, so I'm just sticking solely to FA and UW. Since school let out about two weeks ago, I've been reading FA slowly and I have 45 pages left. I've done about 700 UW questions in timed, random blocks. No other boards prep, and I didn't do any questions throughout the year. Also, I've never touched any of the Robbins books or any other board review books.

Basically, I never went to class in MS2 and I crammed everything right before the tests. I'm probably an average student here grade-wise. Mostly honors, several high passes. Now that I've been going through FA, a bunch of stuff is coming back to me and I'm also making connections that I never made during the year.

FA+wikipedia constitutes about 75% of my study time, with UW filling in the rest.

Hopefully this is what you wanted to know 🙂

in wash U the average student gets mostly honors? nice.

I guess what I am trying to say is FA and RR alone wont get you over 260. At 260 you need class material, all those minuate that people bitched about.
 
in wash U the average student gets mostly honors? nice.

I guess what I am trying to say is FA and RR alone wont get you over 260. At 260 you need class material, all those minuate that people bitched about.

Man I'm hoping for 240+, I'm not even thinking about 260+. With the way UWSA supposedly overestimates, I need to get my shiz together in the next 2 weeks. Now, not to disagree with you, but aren't there a ton of people on SDN who've scored 260+ with the FA/RR/UW combo? I don't plan to hit that score since I'm skipping RR and I'm not a memorizing machine, but I think it is doable with those 3 resources.

About the average person getting mostly honors, keep in mind that the average person came in with like a 3.8/38...
 
just a theory about the class thing, I do significantly better on subjects that I only studied for class than the two subjects I only used FA+RR for.
 
just a theory about the class thing, I do significantly better on subjects that I only studied for class than the two subjects I only used FA+RR for.

I gotcha. Well yeah, I only studied class stuff all year. I didn't study it very hard, but I at least saw everything once. There are certainly FA topics that I never saw in class, and they are my biggest weak points right now (e.g. memorizing all the virus crap). It's tough to say if "extra" class knowledge is helping me, because sometimes I pick answers based on gut feeling and I get a bunch of them right. Must be subconscious.
 
Man I'm hoping for 240+, I'm not even thinking about 260+. With the way UWSA supposedly overestimates, I need to get my shiz together in the next 2 weeks. Now, not to disagree with you, but aren't there a ton of people on SDN who've scored 260+ with the FA/RR/UW combo? I don't plan to hit that score since I'm skipping RR and I'm not a memorizing machine, but I think it is doable with those 3 resources.

About the average person getting mostly honors, keep in mind that the average person came in with like a 3.8/38...

Just curious.... Do you know what Wash U typically averages for step 1?
 
washU take those with the highest standardize test score, so I would expect nothing less than the highest Step 1 average in the nation.
 
Just curious.... Do you know what Wash U typically averages for step 1?

Yep. See below.

washU take those with the highest standardize test score, so I would expect nothing less than the highest Step 1 average in the nation.

I guess they don't teach well to the boards like at some other schools. Our average is around 237, but I think we get beat routinely by schools like Vanderbilt, University of Cincinnati, and maybe even St. Louis U across the street...
 
in wash U the average student gets mostly honors? nice.

I guess what I am trying to say is FA and RR alone wont get you over 260. At 260 you need class material, all those minuate that people bitched about.

Yeah, its kind of crazy. I didn't study much for classes and only did board stuff all year in contrast to WashMe and I have slightly more than 50% honors, so that probably puts me at pretty much in the bottom 1/3 of the class at the end of 2nd year... (pretty much every class we get score reports back from has 60-80% of the students falling in the honors range) yet i'm getting 260+ in practice tests. I haven't wrapped my head around that one yet. 😵.
 
Yeah, its kind of crazy. I didn't study much for classes and only did board stuff all year in contrast to WashMe and I have slightly more than 50% honors, so that probably puts me at pretty much in the bottom 1/3 of the class at the end of 2nd year... (pretty much every class we get score reports back from has 60-80% of the students falling in the honors range) yet i'm getting 260+ in practice tests. I haven't wrapped my head around that one yet. 😵.

You're the man! I didn't crush MS2, I honored about 3/4 of the classes, but I missed the H on some biggies; I wish I would have done boards stuff all year! One month isn't enough...
 
I think the median MCAT and GPA for WashU when I applied was like a 38 and a 3.8. I hope the average Step is in the 240s.
 
Since you guys have taken the NBMEs, perhaps you can lend some words of wisdom: i have exactly 2 weeks till test day (June 14th). I've been doing DIT and currently on my second round of UW questions.

UW Self assessment 1 (5/15) - 211
UW Self assessment 2 (5/23) - 240

I have yet to take any NBME's and not sure if i should take all 4 before the real thing. I plan on taking one this thursday, since by then i will have completed the DIT course.

any suggestions on which test i should take or should i just take all 4? thanks!
 
UWSA #1: 195 (before started studying)
NBME #6: 226 (3 weeks in, 80% done with 1st pass first aid)

I have 4 weeks left, starting DIT soon. Do you guys think breaking a 245 is possible? I was getting scared after the 195 since everyone said it overestimates. How much should I expect to improve with DIT for anyone who has taken it?

Thanks in advance.
 
UWSA #1: 195 (before started studying)
NBME #6: 226 (3 weeks in, 80% done with 1st pass first aid)

I have 4 weeks left, starting DIT soon. Do you guys think breaking a 245 is possible? I was getting scared after the 195 since everyone said it overestimates. How much should I expect to improve with DIT for anyone who has taken it?

Thanks in advance.

I haven't written step yet, but I think its possible. Look at that improvement in 3 weeks! Speaking to friends who took the FA/DIT route, they all saw some improvement in their scores, whether it was only 10pts or 25pts (based on the NBME CBSA we took at school). Whether or not DIT played a factor, I think trying your best to learn/understand everything in FA will def get you to ur max!
 
Since you guys have taken the NBMEs, perhaps you can lend some words of wisdom: i have exactly 2 weeks till test day (June 14th). I've been doing DIT and currently on my second round of UW questions.

UW Self assessment 1 (5/15) - 211
UW Self assessment 2 (5/23) - 240

I have yet to take any NBME's and not sure if i should take all 4 before the real thing. I plan on taking one this thursday, since by then i will have completed the DIT course.

any suggestions on which test i should take or should i just take all 4? thanks!

I am just under 2 weeks til my exam (the 11th) and am on day 12 of DIT- my plan is to take UW 2 and then one NBME before my exam. I don't think doing all 4 will help me more than reviewing material over and over

Also- what did you do between UWSA1 and 2- I took 1 last weekend (after 8 days of DIT) and was at 206- goal score is 215.
 
I am just under 2 weeks til my exam (the 11th) and am on day 12 of DIT- my plan is to take UW 2 and then one NBME before my exam. I don't think doing all 4 will help me more than reviewing material over and over

Also- what did you do between UWSA1 and 2- I took 1 last weekend (after 8 days of DIT) and was at 206- goal score is 215.
before UWSA1 i had finished my first read through of all the systems in first aid and all of UW qbank. UWSA2 was after 7 days of DIT. ill be done with DIT today, plan on using tomorrow to review and do an NBME on thursday. Im really nervous about the NBMEs, and i still dont know which one to take..
 
UWSA #1: 195 (before started studying)
NBME #6: 226 (3 weeks in, 80% done with 1st pass first aid)

I have 4 weeks left, starting DIT soon. Do you guys think breaking a 245 is possible? I was getting scared after the 195 since everyone said it overestimates. How much should I expect to improve with DIT for anyone who has taken it?

Thanks in advance.

Hey, was wondering what your percentage was for NBME 6? Do you know how many questions you got wrong? - I took my assessment offline.
 
I took the NBME CBSSA given out at school at the end of term 5: 205
Took UWSA #1 2 weeks later: 216
Took UWSA #2 4 days after UWSA#1: 224

I am happy about the progress, however i feel like I'm guessing a lot, I mean I don't feel like I'll be scoring a 224 while I'm doing the exam!!! That freaks me out 😱because now I'm paranoid that I'm just lucky at guessing and not really improving. Anyone else going through this out there?😕
 
I missed 33 so around 83-84%
wow they score harsh on the NBME SAs.... my 224 on UWSA was a 63.25% :scared:

I have NBME #5 scheduled in another 5 days after I finish Biochem..... now I'm freaked out... if I scored a 63% in UWSA and it's a 224, a 64% on the NBME will kick my butt down into the 188-195 range ;(
 
I have about 2.5 weeks left... Took NBME 7 about 4 weeks ago and got a 207 and just took UW Assessment #1 and got a 230.

I have done USMLE World and about 85% of Kaplan Qbank... along with going through FA and Kaplan books.

Here's the breakdown:

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What do you guys suggest that I work on? Not sure what to do based off that...
 
at first glance you are the most inconsistent (widest curves) at:
- gross anatomy and embryo (find out which one of the two!)
- Resp (STUDY THAT!!!! I keep hearing it comes up a lot)
- Micro and Immuno (which one?)

You're doing great at:
Pharm, heme and renal... leave those for now and pick up more of those really loong lines!

Good luck!
 
I have about 2.5 weeks left... Took NBME 7 about 4 weeks ago and got a 207 and just took UW Assessment #1 and got a 230.

I have done USMLE World and about 85% of Kaplan Qbank... along with going through FA and Kaplan books.

Here's the breakdown:

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What do you guys suggest that I work on? Not sure what to do based off that...

Heyyyy yours looks a LOT like mine. Anatomy is one of the hardest things to review, isn't it?

I'd take a bit of time to go over the ones you are scoring lowest on first - so you can get some eas(ier) points first. Anatomy is hard to study for, no question. I'm using HY anatomy and going specifically over thorax anatomy since I'm pretty bad at respiratory (x-rays and CT scans seem to be coming up a lot on exams).

I'm actually doing pretty well on Micro and immuno largely because I've reviewed a small section of micro every day. It might be worthwhile if you took that approach too? I have the FA flashcard app that you can download for the iPod touch (bought the micro and immuno flash cards).
 
wow they score harsh on the NBME SAs.... my 224 on UWSA was a 63.25% :scared:

I have NBME #5 scheduled in another 5 days after I finish Biochem..... now I'm freaked out... if I scored a 63% in UWSA and it's a 224, a 64% on the NBME will kick my butt down into the 188-195 range ;(

Naw don't worry- the NBME ones are easier than uworld. I was afraid of the same before I did it. If you gout 220s in UWSA you shouldn't be too far on the nbme ones.
 
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