HUGE report on residents (board scores by residency, etc)

[baxt1412]

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The AAMC released it's Report On Residents about a week ago and it's LOADED with info.

(ACGME specialties only)
For example, since most of us are the most familiar with MCAT scores:
Anes: 30.3
EM: 30.4
Fam: 27.0
IM: 27.0
IM/Peds: 30.3
OBGYN: 29.0
Ortho: 31.6
Patho:30.1
Peds: 29.4
Psych: 28.6
Surg: 30.3
Xition year: 31.2

*Ortho being the big winner but followed closely by transition years (pursuing research maybe?)
*Ortho also won in Step 1 scores at 241.9
*annnnd in Step 2 CK at 248.7


*Of individuals that completed residency between 2003 and 2012, 21.7% of them are working in underserved areas as of 2013. >20% rates for Fam, IM, OBGYN, Neuro, Peds, Psych, and Surg

*The state with the highest total number of doctors working in underserved areas is New York clocking in at 4,182 physicians (26.6 percent of the physicians in NY are working in underserved areas)

*The state with the highest percentage of its doctors working in underserved areas is Mississippi with 59.4% of all physicians in the state

*Hawaii is the state with the lowest percentage (1.5%) of physicians working in underserved areas AND the lowest total number of physicians working in underserved areas (13

*The most underrepresented specialty in underserved areas was Plastics - Integrated at 11.1 percent (ignoring combined specialties since there were a few zeros there)

*The number of total graduates has increased by about 665 students between 200 and 2010

*About 50% of physicians end up working in the state where they completed their residency





Anyway, tons and tons of info... go take a look! It's pretty cool.



https://www.aamc.org/data/421300/residentsreport.html

 

[breakintheroof]

This is an intriguing report. @texan2414 posted about it last week but it didn't get much traction.

What most interests me is how they linked graduating students to their answers on the Matriculated Students Questionnnaire (MSQ) just prior to beginning med school. That way you can see how many students in each specialty stayed the course.

The specialties with the highest number of grads who expressed the same preference as a pre-med:

Ortho 46.8%
Peds 40.4%

And the lowest:

RadOnc 0.0%
Urology 5.2%

 

[baxt1412]

This is an interesting report. @texan2414 posted about it last week but it didn't get much traction.

What I find most interesting is how they linked graduating students to their answers on the Matriculated Students Questionnnaire (MSQ) just prior to beginning med school. That way you can see how many students in each specialty stayed the course.

The specialties with the highest number of grads who stuck to their preference:

Ortho 46.8%
Peds 40.4%

And the lowest:

RadOnc 0.0%
Urology 5.2%

Whoops! Didn't see that, I suppose I should have done a search first haha. Well, mods feel free to combine the threads if you want, otherwise, let's try to keep this thread alive just so people can see this. I truly do think it's pretty interesting and yeah the odds are really stacking against me for ortho haha.

 

[breakintheroof]

I truly do think it's pretty interesting and yeah the odds are really stacking against me for ortho haha.

My read is that ortho has a higher percentage of "true believers" who always knew they wanted to go into that specialty. Ditto for peds. I'm not a med student, but my guess is that these are very different groups.

The report doesn't provide the reverse information, that is, what percentage of those who answered ortho on their MSQ actually went into ortho. One might be able to get an estimate by going back to the MSQ data.

Also, it looks like specialties like rad onc and urology are highly undervalued by pre-meds.

 

[baxt1412]

My read is that ortho has a higher percentage of "true believers" who always knew they wanted to go into ortho. Ditto for peds. I'm not a med student, but my guess is that these are very different groups.

The report doesn't provide the reverse information, that is, what percentage of those who answered ortho on their MSQ actually went into ortho. One might be able to get an estimate by going back to the MSQ data.

My inner voice tells me ortho... or maybe it's the fact that I saw an ortho resurface the acetabulum for a hip replacement, essentially with a dome-shaped cheese grater on the end of a drill. Yeah... that was satisfying and incredibly awesome. lol.

 

[Lucca]

From one of the tables it seems to be that 77% of all physicians have never held a faculty appointment at an accredited medical school and the field with the highest proportion of graduates with faculty appointments was Medical Genetics (about 50%). Is academic medicine THAT unpopular or is it because it is THAT competitive?

 

[RedPhys]

Also, it looks like specialties like rad onc and urology are highly undervalued by pre-meds.

I'd imagine it is because it's a pretty specific specialty. I didn't even learn about it until I learned of specialties that put into play a (relatively) high amount of physics concepts.

Also, it seems like ortho already has a reputation for students who KNOW that is what they want to do : http://www.medaholic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/med-student-personalities.jpg

 

[breakintheroof]

Also, it seems like ortho already has a reputation for students who KNOW that is what they want to do : http://www.medaholic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/med-student-personalities.jpg

Ha ha, yes, it is definitely not surprising to see ortho #1.

There's also this which I've seen on the board before:

 

[baxt1412]

Ha ha, yes, it is definitely not surprising to see ortho #1.

There's also this which I've seen on the board before:

lold so hard. this is my future

 

[Earl Simmons]

Are there more explanations for why transition year sports such a high mcat?

 

[mimelim]

From one of the tables it seems to be that 77% of all physicians have never held a faculty appointment at an accredited medical school and the field with the highest proportion of graduates with faculty appointments was Medical Genetics (about 50%). Is academic medicine THAT unpopular or is it because it is THAT competitive?

I'll give you an example. One of our fellows last year when he graduated was offered an academic position next door for ~325k/year. Private practice group offered him 400k/year + would pay off all his remaining student loans. The vast majority of people don't want to be in academics and simply put, there aren't that many positions.

Are there more explanations for why transition year sports such a high mcat?

TY year positions are coveted by people who need to do a pre-lim year prior to starting their main residency (Derm, Radiology, Anesthesia etc.) they tend to be more cushy than your typical IM or surgery pre-lim year. Ergo, they are a collection of residents that end up in relatively competitive residencies

 

[mimelim]

Also, those MCAT averages per specialty are pretty much exactly the same. The standard deviation for them are 4.5-5. If anything, this data would support that there are less differences between specialties than people think...

 

[baxt1412]

Also, those MCAT averages per specialty are pretty much exactly the same. The standard deviation for them are 4.5-5. If anything, this data would support that there are less differences between specialties than people think...

Yes, that is very true as well. If I had to make a guess, it would just be that MCAT performance isn't an indication of if you will be going into a competitive specialty or not.... There are 35+s that go into family med I'm sure likewise there are people who get 26-30 and end up in derm because of great board scores, etc.

 

[breakintheroof]

Is academic medicine THAT unpopular or is it because it is THAT competitive?

The vast majority of people don't want to be in academics and simply put, there aren't that many positions.

So @Lucca the answer is...

 

[baxt1412]

¿porqué no los dos?

 

[Freigeist]

A more relevant report may be Charting Outcomes 2014 (http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Charting-Outcomes-2014-Final.pdf), which includes all specialties and more detailed stats about matched and unmatched applicants. It's strange to me the Resident Report doesn't include surgical subspecialties besides ortho in their first year resident stats. Ortho is of course competitive but not as much as Oto, Plastics, Neurosurg

 

[Goro]

Yes.

Is academic medicine THAT unpopular or is it because it is THAT competitive?

Teaching is a calling, just like Medicine itself. I, who was trained to be a bench scientist, was amazed to find my niche in teaching med students. Go figure.

I'll give you an example. One of our fellows last year when he graduated was offered an academic position next door for ~325k/year. Private practice group offered him 400k/year + would pay off all his remaining student loans. The vast majority of people don't want to be in academics and simply put, there aren't that many positions.