'Hundreds of doctors in Canada are protesting. They say they make too much'

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Hundreds of doctors in Canada are protesting. They say they make too much - CNN

US doctors should do the same...

 

[evilbooyaa]

Lol. Canadians are just too polite.

Regardless, it's a minority of them suggesting this, so it's not gonna happen.

 

[fourandtwo]

No, Americans can't do the same because of the way our healthcare works here. In Canada, primary care doctors make 10% more than American doctors in primary care, and they are much less prone to burn out. Their medical schools are also super cheap or free.

 

[Habilitate23]

is there a shortage of nursing care in the USA as well?

 

[libertyyne]

is there a shortage of nursing care in the USA as well?

they have pumped out nurses unabbatted for the past decade in anticipation for projections that indicated a massive shortage. Turns out they were wrong and the market is getting tight now for RNs.

 

[814965]

No, Americans can't do the same because of the way our healthcare works here. In Canada, primary care doctors make 10% more than American doctors in primary care, and they are much less prone to burn out. Their medical schools are also super cheap or free.

Why would we ever want to do the same anyway?

 

[libertyyne]

Why would we ever want to do the same anyway?

because getting sick doesnt bankrupt you if you are canadian.

 

[DrMcCoyDO]

because getting sick doesnt bankrupt you if you are canadian.

That has far more to do with administrative overhead than physician salaries.

 

[libertyyne]

That has far more to do with administrative overhead than physician salaries.

administrative waste is just one of the wastes that we have here. Still doesnt change the fact that canadians dont have to worry about affordability of medical care. The assertion was that we should not emulate the candians in anyway.

 

[theonlytycrane]

this reminds me of something I would say as a pre-med on my interview trail

 

[HomeSkool]

US doctors should do the same...

You can go ahead and lead the charge. God be with you.

 

[DrMcCoyDO]

administrative waste is just one of the wastes that we have here. Still doesnt change the fact that canadians dont have to worry about affordability of medical care. The assertion was that we should not emulate the candians in anyway.

I get your point. My point is that lodging a similar protest in the US is like trying to solve global warming by sticking an air conditioner outside. It would do absolutely nothing significant to lower the cost of healthcare.

 

[ortnakas]

Title’s a bit disingenuous. They recently got a 1.4% raise and are saying there’s a better use of funds out there than that; nobody’s really begging for a salary cut.

 

[libertyyne]

I get your point. My point is that lodging a similar protest in the US is like trying to solve global warming by sticking an air conditioner outside. It would do absolutely nothing significant to lower the cost of healthcare.

oh, I am not aggree that Doctors should ask for a paycut. I agree with you. There is a lot of waste, fee for service enables part of it and that is a much larger discussion on how it would negatively impact physician salaries. I am just making a point that canada does a lot of things better than we do.

 

[SpartanWolverine]

I'm not sure how $4.7B + 1.4% is any more than $4.7658B. Any idea why they report it would cost $5.4B, or, in my math, ~15% more?

Edit: ah, egregiously sloppy reporting. The article cited in the linked article describes "1.4 per cent each year" equaling $5.4B in 2023.

 

[Psai]

You have very little understanding of the situation at hand, which is par for the course for your posting OP. It's not "Canada", it's Quebec. And they're protesting because they used to be the lowest paid but have been receiving high yearly raises to become competitive. Now there's a recognition that other people, especially nurses, are being overworked due to need for more personnel. They're not saying that they're making too much. They're saying that their income is increasing too rapidly in the face of a very difficult situation for their nurses as well as other services that require more funding. This is not equivalent to anything here in the US where we are producing so many nurses that they're being pushed to become midlevels.

 

[Goro]

Hundreds of doctors in Canada are protesting. They say they make too much - CNN

US doctors should do the same...

Eh?

 

[MedicineZ0Z]

Hundreds of doctors in Canada are protesting. They say they make too much - CNN

US doctors should do the same...

lol a small % of doctors in one province protesting becomes a headline representing the whole country. Most Canadian doctors seem to be pretty money driven if anything and mobilize quite well against cuts. That explains why pretty much all of them are incorporated whereas here in USA we got more and more salaried doctors.

 

[Money Moniker]

Disgusting.

Yep, it literally churns my stomach, particularly as I sit here in medical school losing money to the tune of >$800 a day (loans compounded by interest + lost earnings compounded by market returns over 30+ years)

Also, these *****s are apparently too stupid to realize they're not being given a raise but a pay cut. If they're lucky and inflation stays at the historical 2% rate through 2023 their 1.4% annual increase in compensation will lead to a 3% reduction in income in real terms at the end of the 5 year contract period. Well, you might think they're stupid for what is effectively protesting in favor of a bigger paycut, but at least a 3% cut doesn't sound so terrible, right? Wrong! The 3% cut is just the amount by which their net income will decline in real terms, but you also have to factor in that their fixed costs of running a medical practice will rise by much more than the rate of inflation, so their net income will decrease significantly by 2023 if their reimbursement is only going up by 1.4% a year. But anyone stupid enough to get out of bed in the cold Canadian winter and take to the streets to agitate for a smaller paycheck probably doesn't "do" math. Or common sense, for that matter.

 

[Anti-PD1]

Physician salaries in the US account for just 8 percent of total healthcare costs. So no. Just no.

Physician Compensation 8% of Costs | Healthcare Solutions News

 

[MD-2021]

Can I protest saying I pay too much for school?

 

[Wilf]

they have pumped out nurses unabbatted for the past decade in anticipation for projections that indicated a massive shortage. Turns out they were wrong and the market is getting tight now for RNs.

This is why it concerns me that they are opening many new medical schools quickly. They are opening a DO school in my area that plans to have a class size of 400.

 

[libertyyne]

This is why it concerns me that they are opening many new medical schools quickly. They are opening a DO school in my area that plans to have a class size of 400.

The DOs wanted political power and felt like pumping out more graduates would get them that. In the end it will only hurt DOs. Going to make most of them get into fm and decrease salaries/demand for fm.

 

[Money Moniker]

This is why it concerns me that they are opening many new medical schools quickly. They are opening a DO school in my area that plans to have a class size of 400.

400?! That's insane. That said, it's the number of residency slots, not med school seats, that has the potential to do us in. So long as the number of residency positions stays relatively stable we're good, with the added entertainment of watching the DOs and FMGs fight for rapidly disappearing scraps.

 

[DrMcCoyDO]

So long as the number of residency positions stays relatively stable we're good, with the added entertainment of watching the DOs and FMGs fight for rapidly disappearing scraps.

Wow, that’s not an inflammatory statement or anything.

 

[MedicineZ0Z]

Yep, it literally churns my stomach, particularly as I sit here in medical school losing money to the tune of >$800 a day (loans compounded by interest + lost earnings compounded by market returns over 30+ years)

Also, these *****s are apparently too stupid to realize they're not being given a raise but a pay cut. If they're lucky and inflation stays at the historical 2% rate through 2023 their 1.4% annual increase in compensation will lead to a 3% reduction in income in real terms at the end of the 5 year contract period. Well, you might think they're stupid for what is effectively protesting in favor of a bigger paycut, but at least a 3% cut doesn't sound so terrible, right? Wrong! The 3% cut is just the amount by which their net income will decline in real terms, but you also have to factor in that their fixed costs of running a medical practice will rise by much more than the rate of inflation, so their net income will decrease significantly by 2023 if their reimbursement is only going up by 1.4% a year. But anyone stupid enough to get out of bed in the cold Canadian winter and take to the streets to agitate for a smaller paycheck probably doesn't "do" math. Or common sense, for that matter.

lol you realize these are just a small minority of doctors in one single province. Most Canadian doctors seem to be even more money hungry than American ones.

 

[Money Moniker]

lol you realize these are just a small minority of doctors in one single province. Most Canadian doctors seem to be even more money hungry than American ones.

Yes, I do realize it, and re-reading my post I can't think of a single thing within it that may have caused you to suspect that I did not realize it.