I Declined An Acceptance This Year!!!

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It is now daylight in the continental United States. This troll should have turned to stone.

 

[Depakote]

Let's look at it this way...

He's giving up his seat to someone clearly far more deserving.

 

[osin83]

Well... some defending of my actions might be in order being the OP of the thread. Okay, I will start from last year. Due to some personal issues, I sent my AMCAS application out extremely late (2nd week of December) By that time most school's deadlines were over, so I had only applied to two schools (got interviews at both of them). Both interviewers had outright told me that if I had applied early I would have got in no problem. Alas, I got waitlisted at one and rejected at the other.

I had emailed the dean of admissions asking how far down the waitlist I was. He responded that the past few years they have not really taken many waitlisters so not to get my hopes up. I had to make a decision as to what to do, so I applied to two postbac programs and got accepted to both. I accepted at BU for their MAMS program. I had already signed a 1 year apt. lease and took out at $50K loan from BU for the program when I got a call from the same dean I had emailed. We spoke for a while and he was EXTREMELY helpful. He knew of the program at BU and told me it was a fantastic program and he understood my predicament. He is trying to get my acceptance deferred, but said doubts it will happen. He really wants me at that school, and basically told me if I apply early, I will get in again.

Soooo, all i want is a chance to apply to some schools I really want to attend. I am confident that I will be fine. I have a dean rooting for me over there, and I was recently introduced to a high up person at NYMC who seems like they can get me in there as well. My AMCAS will be sent out by the end of the week, and I am hoping for the best (just like everyone else). So, to all of you naysayers out there, I can't wait to repost with my awesome results next year.

 

[rgarrig]

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[Keg]

You know what? I don't care if I had to dodge snipers, IED's and suicide bombers to get to class every day

Then you should definitely go to school in either St. Louis or Baltimore... definitely.

 

[osin83]

just as an aside, we have some pretty mean/angry individuals on SDN, I can tell some people are bitter about this past application cycle.

 

[e_phn]

just as an aside, we have some pretty mean/angry individuals on SDN, I can tell some people are bitter about this past application cycle.

me too.

🙄

 

[Doula-2-OB]

Why would you willingly offer yourself up for criticism and judgment in a public forum like this? 😕 🙄

 

[MarzMD]

just as an aside, we have some pretty mean/angry individuals on SDN, I can tell some people are bitter about this past application cycle.

Actually, I think there are quite a few people who have been accepted that are calling this a dumb move. Either way, I think you bated people in order to cause controversy. Why would you make the original post with absolutely no details, even acknowledging the fact that you would get flamed. Only to come back later with a "Ha ha, this is what really happened" post. Yea, you showed us.

 

[DropkickMurphy]

Then you should definitely go to school in either St. Louis or Baltimore... definitely.

B-more ain't that bad!

 

[Darkshooter326]

I didn't read all of thi thread, but I am sure it has been said previously. You WILL NOT get into Medical School this application season after turning down a previous acceptance. That is why you should only apply to places you would actually go. 😴

 

[osin83]

I think you bated people in order to cause controversy. Why would you make the original post with absolutely no details, even acknowledging the fact that you would get flamed. Only to come back later with a "Ha ha, this is what really happened" post. Yea, you showed us.

Yea, I pretty much knew what would happen. I just thought it would be funny to see a few of the comments. I had no idea, however, that it would generate this many replies overnight.

 

[Depakote]

Then you should definitely go to school in either St. Louis or Baltimore... definitely.

I work in St. Louis... WUMS to be exact. There are plenty of worse places out there...


EDIT: like East St. Louis.

 

[PreMedPeter]

My question is, why would this person need to worry about answering "have you ever matriculated from another medicla school?" because he never matriculated from there. Also, how would any other school know that he rejected his acceptance? These are not rhetorical questions, as I would like to actually know the answers.

 

[RayhanS1282]

My question is, why would this person need to worry about answering "have you ever matriculated from another medicla school?" because he never matriculated from there. Also, how would any other school know that he rejected his acceptance? These are not rhetorical questions, as I would like to actually know the answers.

I think most people including myself initially thought that he was talking about declining an acceptance...not a waitlist, hence the criticism.

 

[akaz]

AMCAS keeps a file and record of all your activity. That is what the med schools see. They see something different that you get to see. I saw the version that they saw. It records how many you applied to, and how many times etc. They know. Plus all the schools have you in the files with your AMCAS #. The number stays the same every year you apply.

My question is, why would this person need to worry about answering "have you ever matriculated from another medicla school?" because he never matriculated from there. Also, how would any other school know that he rejected his acceptance? These are not rhetorical questions, as I would like to actually know the answers.

 

[Depakote]

This topic should just be...

"I pulled myself off a waitlist this year."

Much more accurate. Much less inflammatory.

But that wouldn't be SDN in June now, would it?

 

[MarzMD]

This topic should just be...

"I pulled myself off a waitlist this year."

Much more accurate. Much less inflammatory.

But that wouldn't be SDN in June now, would it?

I promise I will be more pleasant when my damn guitar gets here. UPS is pissing me off.

 

[strawberryfield]

EDIT: like East St. Louis.

 

[osin83]

AMCAS keeps a file and record of all your activity. That is what the med schools see. They see something different that you get to see. I saw the version that they saw. It records how many you applied to, and how many times etc. They know. Plus all the schools have you in the files with your AMCAS #. The number stays the same every year you apply.

Med schools do not see what other schools you applied to.

 

[MarzMD]

Med schools do not see what other schools you applied to.

After May 15,they do see where you are accepted.

 

[Gut Shot]

Well... some defending of my actions might be in order being the OP of the thread. Okay, I will start from last year. Due to some personal issues, I sent my AMCAS application out extremely late (2nd week of December) By that time most school's deadlines were over, so I had only applied to two schools (got interviews at both of them). Both interviewers had outright told me that if I had applied early I would have got in no problem. Alas, I got waitlisted at one and rejected at the other.

I had emailed the dean of admissions asking how far down the waitlist I was. He responded that the past few years they have not really taken many waitlisters so not to get my hopes up. I had to make a decision as to what to do, so I applied to two postbac programs and got accepted to both. I accepted at BU for their MAMS program. I had already signed a 1 year apt. lease and took out at $50K loan from BU for the program when I got a call from the same dean I had emailed. We spoke for a while and he was EXTREMELY helpful. He knew of the program at BU and told me it was a fantastic program and he understood my predicament. He is trying to get my acceptance deferred, but said doubts it will happen. He really wants me at that school, and basically told me if I apply early, I will get in again.

Soooo, all i want is a chance to apply to some schools I really want to attend. I am confident that I will be fine. I have a dean rooting for me over there, and I was recently introduced to a high up person at NYMC who seems like they can get me in there as well. My AMCAS will be sent out by the end of the week, and I am hoping for the best (just like everyone else). So, to all of you naysayers out there, I can't wait to repost with my awesome results next year.

Nope, sorry, still a ******ed move.

 

[SanDiegoSOD]

Wait.... so you turned down your state school to have a chance to go to BU and NYMC? Two of the most expensive medical schools in the country? And you also are taking out $50k to go the BUs postbac? You're nuts, man, plain nuts.

 

[mchou]

Actually, I think there are quite a few people who have been accepted that are calling this a dumb move. Either way, I think you bated people in order to cause controversy. Why would you make the original post with absolutely no details, even acknowledging the fact that you would get flamed. Only to come back later with a "Ha ha, this is what really happened" post. Yea, you showed us.

Have to agree with MarzMD here, it seems as though you (the OP) purposely wanted to start a controversial post so that you could reply to all those who answered with your smug little "oh but it was a waitlist, and I have other plans."

And there are plenty of people in Boston, you can sublease or get out of your lease and start attending medical school. And what's more sad, is that there are plenty of people in a post bac program who would have done that when they got the call. 50K loan? School hasn't started yet, there must be some way for the bank to make the transfer.

So even with your response, you could have gone to medical school starting this fall. You could have started as a physician a year earlier. Go ahead and stay smug, at least someone got to go in your place.

 

[R.P. McMurphy]

I didn't read all of thi thread, but I am sure it has been said previously. You WILL NOT get into Medical School this application season after turning down a previous acceptance. That is why you should only apply to places you would actually go. 😴

another head of med school adcoms here, note the "WILL NOT" - said with such conviction, this poster must be in charge of everything to make such a bold statement

 

[OSUdoc08]

I posted to see how many people call me crazy. I got into my state school this year but i declined it because I want to go elsewhere. i will be reapplying with slightly better credentials this time around.

That sounds like a good idea.

I wish I could put another year of my life down the drain, delay my happiness, delay my retirement, and spend money applying again.

Wow.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

Wait.... so you turned down your state school to have a chance to go to BU and NYMC? Two of the most expensive medical schools in the country? And you also are taking out $50k to go the BUs postbac? You're nuts, man, plain nuts.

This is where I'm scratching my head. Why would you shell out $50k for a postbacc if you're already accepted somewhere? It's your life and all, but I wouldn't do it.

 

[R.P. McMurphy]

That sounds like a good idea.

I wish I could put another year of my life down the drain, delay my happiness, delay my retirement, and spend money applying again.

Wow.

hmmmmmm did you ever consider that maybe he can pick up a job makin 50k (have more money to start than most pre-meds), go out and party with his friends every night, and relax for a year before he looses some his social life to med school??

did you ever consider that maybe the reason he decided this was to make him happy in the first place.

haha sorry, just a very ridiculous post in my opinion

 

[akaz]

I will say this, if you turned down an acceptance to a school because of assurances from ADCOM--not always wise. I got the same assurances from Harvard med, a phone call from 3 faculty members, etc, knew tons of folks, and it was the only place that rejected me. Don't ever believe in adcom assurances, prof asssurances and residency director assurances. They don't always pan out. Ask my friend that is an attending at MGH. She had assurances form Wash u residency and didn't match there after working there.

 

[OSUdoc08]

hmmmmmm did you ever consider that maybe he can pick up a job makin 50k (have more money to start than most pre-meds), go out and party with his friends every night, and relax for a year before he looses some his social life to med school??

did you ever consider that maybe the reason he decided this was to make him happy in the first place.

haha sorry, just a very ridiculous post in my opinion

I didn't need to since, it was indicated in his post that it was in fact not the case.

Why make $50,000 now and put off making $300,000 another year?

I'm not sure how rotting yourself away in the life of a college student will help further your goals.

P.S. There is plenty of time to party in medical school.

 

[mchou]

hmmmmmm did you ever consider that maybe he can pick up a job makin 50k (have more money to start than most pre-meds), go out and party with his friends every night, and relax for a year before he looses some his social life to med school??

did you ever consider that maybe the reason he decided this was to make him happy in the first place.

haha sorry, just a very ridiculous post in my opinion

you do know that he's taking out 50k just to do a postbacc right? not that he's working instead. And even if he HAD a job that made 50k for the year add that to the costs for his postbacc and he's still at, yep 0.

And of course, it does make him happy. right now he's POSITIVE he'll get in, not only somewhere else, but according to him somewhere BETTER. I'm not saying he decided and is miserable, he's certainly satisfied with himself. I just think he's rude to come on this forum bragging about rejecting an acceptance when honest, deserving people are still waiting. -- That I call RIDICULOUS.

 

[silkworm]

Another thing to keep in mind is that the Boston MAMS program is by no means a piece of cake. If for whatever reason you perform poorly, it will damage your application and that sympathetic dean may no longer be so sympathetic.

 

[gafft]

I will say this, if you turned down an acceptance to a school because of assurances from ADCOM--not always wise. I got the same assurances from Harvard med, a phone call from 3 faculty members, etc, knew tons of folks, and it was the only place that rejected me. Don't ever believe in adcom assurances, prof asssurances and residency director assurances. They don't always pan out. Ask my friend that is an attending at MGH. She had assurances form Wash u residency and didn't match there after working there.

This is the TRUTH. Interviewers and such talk crap constantly. The only thing you should believe is the letter that comes in the mail.

 

[R.P. McMurphy]

you do know that he's taking out 50k just to do a postbacc right? not that he's working instead. And even if he HAD a job that made 50k for the year add that to the costs for his postbacc and he's still at, yep 0.

And of course, it does make him happy. right now he's POSITIVE he'll get in, not only somewhere else, but according to him somewhere BETTER. I'm not saying he decided and is miserable, he's certainly satisfied with himself. I just think he's rude to come on this forum bragging about rejecting an acceptance when honest, deserving people are still waiting. -- That I call RIDICULOUS.

Ok, well you're still not getting the point. The point is that he did someone else a favor this year by giving his spot, which under his current situation he could not fulfill with all of his ability. I think this is a very smart move.

I don't think what he posted is rude at all. Yes, to the psychotic "gunner" it may have been rude, but where on SDN does it say you have to be a psycho obsessive pre-med to make a comment?

And to the poster who claims another year in college life will be "miserable". Your missing the point too. Maybe going to this school would have made him even more miserable? You just can't make that sort of claim, it doesn't make sense.

 

[gafft]

It's quite simple: If this applicant was truly accepted and declined, he will not be accepted anywhere next year.

Period.

It's unfortunate that he was not advised well. He can no longer claim any rational motivation for applying to medical school. His application will never be taken seriously again. If you were a commitee member, would you accept him? How would you know that he wouldn't do the same thing? Frankly, he no longer deserves to be a doctor. There are 35,000 applicants who would do anything to have been accepted. Those applicants who were rejected everywhere will have a MUCH greater chance of being accepted because they clearly WANT to be doctors.

 

[OSUdoc08]

It's quite simple: If this applicant was truly accepted and declined, he will not be accepted anywhere next year.

Period.

It's unfortunate that he was not advised well. He can no longer claim any rational motivation for applying to medical school. His application will never be taken seriously again. If you were a commitee member, would you accept him? How would you know that he wouldn't do the same thing? Frankly, he no longer deserves to be a doctor. There are 35,000 applicants who would do anything to have been accepted. Those applicants who were rejected everywhere will have a MUCH greater chance of being accepted because they clearly WANT to be doctors.

Good post. 👍

 

[R.P. McMurphy]

It's quite simple: If this applicant was truly accepted and declined, he will not be accepted anywhere next year.

Period.

It's unfortunate that he was not advised well. He can no longer claim any rational motivation for applying to medical school. His application will never be taken seriously again. If you were a commitee member, would you accept him? How would you know that he wouldn't do the same thing? Frankly, he no longer deserves to be a doctor. There are 35,000 applicants who would do anything to have been accepted. Those applicants who were rejected everywhere will have a MUCH greater chance of being accepted because they clearly WANT to be doctors.

can you prove this?

 

[akaz]

No they can't, but I am old enough to have never seen it happen.

can you prove this?

 

[mchou]

Ok, well you're still not getting the point. The point is that he did someone else a favor this year by giving his spot, which under his current situation he could not fulfill with all of his ability. I think this is a very smart move.

I don't think what he posted is rude at all. Yes, to the psychotic "gunner" it may have been rude, but where on SDN does it say you have to be a psycho obsessive pre-med to make a comment?

And to the poster who claims another year in college life will be "miserable". Your missing the point too. Maybe going to this school would have made him even more miserable? You just can't make that sort of claim, it doesn't make sense.

I did mention in my previous post that at least someone else got to go in his place. So yes, I do get that point. It is a smart move in that it is good for the whole (the pool of applicants). It may not be smart for him since it does place a nifty little red flag on his app. But like I said, it makes him happy so I don't care if he gets into a school or not. He's not going this year and that's a fact.

I do think it's rude, I think it's rude because there have been multiple posts on this topic before. He's not a newbie, it's not as though he wouldn't have known the answer he would have gotten ahead of time simply by using common sense. And that's not to mention his convenient lack of details which certainly makes it sound as though he just wants a "better" school, and after answering, saying he can't wait to repost with his CERTAIN success. I guess I tend to get offended by arrogance, psycho gunner or not, there's such a thing as valuing a little humility.

And of course we don't know if he will be happier with his year off or in med school, we're not saying we know how happy he'll be. We're saying, what does this do to your app if you are positive you want to go to medical school?

How come you aren't answering that question?

 

[R.P. McMurphy]

I did mention in my previous post that at least someone else got to go in his place. So yes, I do get that point. It is a smart move in that it is good for the whole (the pool of applicants). It may not be smart for him since it does place a nifty little red flag on his app. But like I said, it makes him happy so I don't care if he gets into a school or not. He's not going this year and that's a fact.

I do think it's rude, I think it's rude because there have been multiple posts on this topic before. He's not a newbie, it's not as though he wouldn't have known the answer he would have gotten ahead of time simply by using common sense. And that's not to mention his convenient lack of details which certainly makes it sound as though he just wants a "better" school, and after answering, saying he can't wait to repost with his CERTAIN success. I guess I tend to get offended by arrogance, psycho gunner or not, there's such a thing as valuing a little humility.



And of course we don't know if he will be happier with his year off or in med school, we're not saying we know how happy he'll be. We're saying, what does this do to your app if you are positive you want to go to medical school?

How come you aren't answering that question?

the other poster mentioned twice about him being "miserable" read those posts again in case you missed it.

to answer your question, i'm pretty sure he didn't have it in his master plan to apply and then reject a school. This is life though, things happen, situations arise where you simply can't go into a situation, for your own good. Ask any med student. There are two types of people, in relatively equal amounts: there are the happy ones who enjoy it and the miserable ones who bitch about it and hate it. Maybe this school would have put him in the latter, and maybe he felt it was the wrong choice for him. Sure, maybe he shouldn't have applied there in the first place, I agree with that. But to hear a million people reply that he is "doomed" and call him "arrogant" and "cocky"is just ridiculous

maybe he posted it to get an opinion. that's legal right? Maybe he didn't have time to go through 100000000000000 posts here. Maybe he posted it because the searching is disabled right now. If you don't like what somone posts, you don't have to respond to it right?

 

[mchou]

the other poster mentioned twice about him being "miserable" read those posts again in case you missed it.

to answer your question, i'm pretty sure he didn't have it in his master plan to apply and then reject a school. This is life though, things happen, situations arise where you simply can't go into a situation, for your own good. Ask any med student. There are two types of people, in relatively equal amounts: there are the happy ones who enjoy it and the miserable ones who bitch about it and hate it. Maybe this school would have put him in the latter, and maybe he felt it was the wrong choice for him. Sure, maybe he shouldn't have applied there in the first place, I agree with that. But to hear a million people reply that he is "doomed" and call him "arrogant" and "cocky"is just ridiculous

maybe he posted it to get an opinion. that's legal right? Maybe he didn't have time to go through 100000000000000 posts here. Maybe he posted it because the searching is disabled right now. If you don't like what somone posts, you don't have to respond to it right?

Of course it's legal, it isn't necessarily bright, however.

and you're right others said he would waste another year and probably be miserable. He could be, then again like you say, he could be very happy. But I don't think he's "doomed" or that he'll be miserable, I just think (as in I am answer his post to give my opinion) that he is not helping his application by declining an acceptance and that he is rude since he writes now that he "knew this would happen" but he doesn't care. And of course I don't have to respond, I can also respond honestly and that's what I'm doing.

Honest answer, I mchou think the OP is rude and probably hurt his app. You think it's a perfectly legit thing to do, fine. It's your opinion as well. I agree to disagree.

 

[browniegirl86]

Then you should definitely go to school in either St. Louis or Baltimore... definitely.

Seriously . . . sounds like you'd be a perfect fit at Hopkins!

 

[GWmdwannabe]

You know what? I don't care if I had to dodge snipers, IED's and suicide bombers to get to class every day- if it was my only chance to earn my MD and have a chance at a residency of my choosing, I'd do it without question or hesitation. Anyone who is so shallow as to turn down what probably his ONLY chance to earn his medical degree, gets what is coming to him.

If you got into Johns Hopkins, something tells me you have a good shot at being accepted somewhere else. 😛

 

[NRAI2001]

This guy made a stupid decision. Not the end of the world for him, but hes gonna have to do a lot of explaining (how easy is it for medschools see where you have been accepted to in the past, is it readily visible or do they have to go searching for it?).

If this person really really wanted to go to "a better school" than is state school he might have had a better chance attending the state school and then transfering later.

 

[Law2Doc]

After May 15,they do see where you are accepted.

I don't get it. Is the OP who in his initial post said he "got in" to his state school now just claiming he withdrew off the waitlist and really thinks it is the same thing? If that's the case, go to the postbac and good luck in trying to improve your odds of getting in someplace, I'm not sure what your point in this thread was.
If you did, in fact get in someplace and bailed in order to do a postbac, you aren't playing the odds, and some (perhaps most) schools will view you negatively in the subsequent cycle because of it.

 

[Law2Doc]

If this person really really wanted to go to "a better school" than is state school he might have had a better chance attending the state school and then transfering later.

I'm not sure the odds are actually better at transferring uphill -- very few people transfer in med school (it's unlike college in this respect), and those that do usually have a strong reason (family/spouse location, something other than prestige or school name) and usually only can do so after the second year (because not all school's courses are given in the same order during the first two years) and a good showing on Step 1.

 

[SoCuteMD]

Well... some defending of my actions might be in order being the OP of the thread. Okay, I will start from last year. Due to some personal issues, I sent my AMCAS application out extremely late (2nd week of December) By that time most school's deadlines were over, so I had only applied to two schools (got interviews at both of them). Both interviewers had outright told me that if I had applied early I would have got in no problem. Alas, I got waitlisted at one and rejected at the other.

I had emailed the dean of admissions asking how far down the waitlist I was. He responded that the past few years they have not really taken many waitlisters so not to get my hopes up. I had to make a decision as to what to do, so I applied to two postbac programs and got accepted to both. I accepted at BU for their MAMS program. I had already signed a 1 year apt. lease and took out at $50K loan from BU for the program when I got a call from the same dean I had emailed. We spoke for a while and he was EXTREMELY helpful. He knew of the program at BU and told me it was a fantastic program and he understood my predicament. He is trying to get my acceptance deferred, but said doubts it will happen. He really wants me at that school, and basically told me if I apply early, I will get in again.

Soooo, all i want is a chance to apply to some schools I really want to attend. I am confident that I will be fine. I have a dean rooting for me over there, and I was recently introduced to a high up person at NYMC who seems like they can get me in there as well. My AMCAS will be sent out by the end of the week, and I am hoping for the best (just like everyone else). So, to all of you naysayers out there, I can't wait to repost with my awesome results next year.

I'm still not exactly clear on the story. I mean, it seems that it would be very easy to say, "Sorry, I'm not coming" to BU, sublet your Boston apartment (or find a new renter, most landlords have to let you off a bit easier if you find someone, and Boston's an easy market for that!) and go to medical school. I have a feeling it happens very frequently with post-bac programs and it would seem that they are used to this sort of thing.

You don't actually say you were accepted off the waitlist, though, so were you?

If you ask my opinion (and you didn't, but I'll give it anyways), it's a big waste of 50K and a year of a doc's salary. Total cost for 1 year of a career lost: 150K (salary, and this is the bare minimum) + 50K + 20K (conservative on the interest)=220K

Plus, you may max out your gov't student loans earlier in your med school career, costing you even more.

Hope you enjoy your 220K!!!

 

[sanche60]

To bad the search function is down. If it werent people would be able to see that there are plenty of people who reapply after turning down an acceptance and still get in. Bottom line, most schools are number ******, if you have em your in the running.

 

[ND2005]

To bad the search function is down. If it werent people would be able to see that there are plenty of people who reapply after turning down an acceptance and still get in. Bottom line, most schools are number ******, if you have em your in the running.

If you "have em"...why didn't you get into the school you wanted the first time around?

 

[sanche60]

If you "have em"...why didn't you get into the school you wanted the first time around?

for alot of people its a late app. i.e. rolling admissions favors the early app.