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[Ausmil]

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I was a pre med student and have decided that dental might be a better route fo me. To be honest I do not have much information on dental shool although I understand the pre-reqs are similat to pre-med. If anyone can give me info on how to apply, where to apply, the best schools in the west, salary, lifestyle, pre-reqs, etc.. or any links to this info. Thanks so much

 

[moonlight123]

http://www.predents.com/

 

[polarnut]

http://www.google.com

 

[Jaba]

http://www.google.com

lol nice.... true

 

[aggie-master]

You should try and shadow a dentist. It might help you see if dentistry is right for you.

 

[beezies]

Man, people are so judgemental. I'd be willing to bet that at least half of dental students were at one point premed, so seriously people, get off your high horses and give the OP some help.

To the OP, you are going to find that a lot of dental students and applicants will claim that they've "wanted this all their lives" and have known of no other way to fulfill their dreams. That's crap. Everyone starts somewhere, and most little kids don't dream about becoming a dentist EVER. So if you truly think you are interested, congrats. It's cool that you don't know anything because neither did I. Shadowing is a good suggestion, so is using this website. I would buy the ADEA book on dental schools to answer your questions about how good schools are and how to apply, it will also give you basic info about salaries etc.

Honestly, if you're still interested in medical school but are kinda looking at dental, take Princeton Review for the MCAT, you'll have all the prep you need to take either the MCATs or the DATs, and then you can make your decision based on shadowing experience and your scores.

 

[jr8047]

Man, people are so judgemental. I'd be willing to bet that at least half of dental students were at one point premed, so seriously people, get off your high horses and give the OP some help.

To the OP, you are going to find that a lot of dental students and applicants will claim that they've "wanted this all their lives" and have known of no other way to fulfill their dreams. That's crap. Everyone starts somewhere, and most little kids don't dream about becoming a dentist EVER. So if you truly think you are interested, congrats. It's cool that you don't know anything because neither did I. Shadowing is a good suggestion, so is using this website. I would buy the ADEA book on dental schools to answer your questions about how good schools are and how to apply, it will also give you basic info about salaries etc.

Honestly, if you're still interested in medical school but are kinda looking at dental, take Princeton Review for the MCAT, you'll have all the prep you need to take either the MCATs or the DATs, and then you can make your decision based on shadowing experience and your scores.

great advice.. and cute dogs!

 

[Tracy47]

apparently the OP didn't get in DO school, and is looking into dentistry and pharmacy. Dentistry is more competitive than DO. If you can't get into an MD school for whatever reason, then I can understand the switch to dentistry, but if you decided to go the DO route, feels like you're geared toward systemic medicine.

But to answer your questions, you can start by getting a book published by ADA, and it'll tell you the stats of accepted students for all 56 dental schools in the US. ADA also publishes a booklet that has a sample DAT that you can look at.

I know nothing about pharmacy, so I can't comment on that.

 

[Ausmil]

apparently the OP didn't get in DO school, and is looking into dentistry and pharmacy. Dentistry is more competitive than DO. If you can't get into an MD school for whatever reason, then I can understand the switch to dentistry, but if you decided to go the DO route, feels like you're geared toward systemic medicine.

But to answer your questions, you can start by getting a book published by ADA, and it'll tell you the stats of accepted students for all 56 dental schools in the US. ADA also publishes a booklet that has a sample DAT that you can look at.

I know nothing about pharmacy, so I can't comment on that.

I just wanted to let you know that I have not yet applied to Medical school. I was serious about looking into dentstry. I have a 3.84 GPA, 3.76 science GPA, and a 32 MCAT score. I could get into medical school. Part of the reason I didnt want to was because of the arrogence of premed students. It look like some of you pre dents are just the same- Too bad!!

 

[Dutchboy]

I just wanted to let you know that I have not yet applied to Medical school. I was serious about looking into dentstry. I have a 3.84 GPA, 3.76 science GPA, and a 32 MCAT score. I could get into medical school. Part of the reason I didnt want to was because of the arrogence of premed students. It look like some of you pre dents are just the same- Too bad!!

There is going to be A-holes anywhere you go. Stop being a puss about it. If I were you I'd go into Pharmacy, I hear they are all stand up citizens.

 

[Tracy47]

I just wanted to let you know that I have not yet applied to Medical school. I was serious about looking into dentstry. I have a 3.84 GPA, 3.76 science GPA, and a 32 MCAT score. I could get into medical school. Part of the reason I didnt want to was because of the arrogence of premed students. It look like some of you pre dents are just the same- Too bad!!

Does this post sound familiar? This is a post you posted earlier this month in the DO Forum.

Hey there all. I hate to interupt great discussions for me. I was debating whether to apply this coming year or not. I have to apply late, so that is a bummer(Aug 2006). Do I even have a chance?
GPA- 3.48 (Note how you switch the 2 decimals digits
Science- 3.0
MCAT- 25
I have tons of service and extra activities. I have been around the medical field my entire life. I am in good shape in every other field including leadership, shadowing, work, service, research, etc... Thanks


The funny thing is you posted the same question on the dental, podiatry, and pharmacy boards. Sorry, I have no respect for liars.


Okay I'll stop. Have a nice day & good luck with everything.

 

[L8DYV]

good catch Tracy47!! Looks like another medschool copout that's trying to use pharm, podiatry, and dental as safety nets.

what's bothering you ausmil? you can't hack it? go back to med where you belong...

 

[Audio]

I just wanted to let you know that I have not yet applied to Medical school. I was serious about looking into dentstry. I have a 3.84 GPA, 3.76 science GPA, and a 32 MCAT score. I could get into medical school. Part of the reason I didnt want to was because of the arrogence of premed students. It look like some of you pre dents are just the same- Too bad!!

you can be my receptionist. How do you look in a mini skirt?

 

[WhoooaaaBUNDY]

Does this post sound familiar? This is a post you posted earlier this month in the DO Forum.

Hey there all. I hate to interupt great discussions for me. I was debating whether to apply this coming year or not. I have to apply late, so that is a bummer(Aug 2006). Do I even have a chance?
GPA- 3.48 (Note how you switch the 2 decimals digits
Science- 3.0
MCAT- 25
I have tons of service and extra activities. I have been around the medical field my entire life. I am in good shape in every other field including leadership, shadowing, work, service, research, etc... Thanks


The funny thing is you posted the same question on the dental, podiatry, and pharmacy boards. Sorry, I have no respect for liars.


Okay I'll stop. Have a nice day & good luck with everything.

burn!

 

[JamieMac]

Man, people are so judgemental. I'd be willing to bet that at least half of dental students were at one point premed, so seriously people, get off your high horses and give the OP some help.

Its nice to see that someone actually was willing to help the OP out. I think it is sad that someone believes that it is witty to throw the google website out there as an answer. The irony is that the OP probably stumbled upon the SDN website through google thinking he/she might be able to actually get a little feedback from someone in the same situation. How ridiculous is that??? What nerve the OP has...to think they would actually get feedback here - in a forum that was intended for...EXACTLY THAT PURPOSE.

Hopefully, this will not be any indication of how you intend to treat your patients. I can see it now..."Oh, you need a dentist?...Why don't you try 1(800)dentist...hahaah"

 

[Blackstars]

I was a pre med student and have decided that dental might be a better route fo me. To be honest I do not have much information on dental shool although I understand the pre-reqs are similat to pre-med. If anyone can give me info on how to apply, where to apply, the best schools in the west, salary, lifestyle, pre-reqs, etc.. or any links to this info. Thanks so much

Another battered premed, who was eliminated from competition

 

[L8DYV]

Its nice to see that someone actually was willing to help the OP out. I think it is sad that someone believes that it is witty to throw the google website out there as an answer. The irony is that the OP probably stumbled upon the SDN website through google thinking he/she might be able to actually get a little feedback from someone in the same situation. How ridiculous is that??? What nerve the OP has...to think they would actually get feedback here - in a forum that was intended for...EXACTLY THAT PURPOSE.

Hopefully, this will not be any indication of how you intend to treat your patients. I can see it now..."Oh, you need a dentist?...Why don't you try 1(800)dentist...hahaah"

are you a medschool copout?

 

[Envision]

Its nice to see that someone actually was willing to help the OP out. I think it is sad that someone believes that it is witty to throw the google website out there as an answer. The irony is that the OP probably stumbled upon the SDN website through google thinking he/she might be able to actually get a little feedback from someone in the same situation. How ridiculous is that??? What nerve the OP has...to think they would actually get feedback here - in a forum that was intended for...EXACTLY THAT PURPOSE.

Hopefully, this will not be any indication of how you intend to treat your patients. I can see it now..."Oh, you need a dentist?...Why don't you try 1(800)dentist...hahaah"

The google website is a good site to start, i use it. not to mention, if you wanna get your point across, you should make an example of it by actually offering some feedback...

 

[PDizzle]

you can be my receptionist. How do you look in a mini skirt?

LOL

 

[JamieMac]

are you a medschool copout?

No, I'm actually undecided at this point. Started pre-med last year, and began considering dentistry as well after speaking with a few friends that are dentists.

Is it really that amusing when people change their minds? Do you actually get some form of gratification out of assuming that someone is a "copout"? The only reason that I could see someone taking shots at someone for changing is that they had their own insecurities about being a dentist instead of being an MD or DO.

 

[mlle]

you can be my receptionist. How do you look in a mini skirt?

i'm thinking you're going to be a hot and competent yet arrogant dentist.

i'm being judgmental. forgive me.

God bless canadians!

 

[JamieMac]

The google website is a good site to start, i use it. not to mention, if you wanna get your point across, you should make an example of it by actually offering some feedback...

Yea, well if I had something valuable to offer the OP, I would...but I don't. I'm in a similar situation looking for more information on dentistry. It appears that some of you in this forum have no intention of helping others. So, let me get this right...it is just those that are able to offer feedback to the original post that are actually allowed to post? Or if I am able to degrade someone for a question that they might have? I'm so sorry sir...I'll be sure to remember that.

 

[Audio]

i'm thinking you're going to be a hot and competent yet arrogant dentist.

i'm being judgmental. forgive me.

God bless canadians!

so, i'll pick you up friday at 9? we can go get some chicken and get busy.

 

[L8DYV]

No, I'm actually undecided at this point. Started pre-med last year, and began considering dentistry as well after speaking with a few friends that are dentists.

Is it really that amusing when people change their minds? Do you actually get some form of gratification out of assuming that someone is a "copout"? The only reason that I could see someone taking shots at someone for changing is that they had their own insecurities about being a dentist instead of being an MD or DO.

when going into dentistry, you will be scrutinized as a medschool copout. this has become more prevalent over the years simply because people are using dental as a back up plan. (at my ucla interview, they asked me if I ever considered medicine?) nothing wrong with a back up plan, but those people using it simply for that don't deserve it because they have not paid their dues to the profession through dental related activities, shadowing, observation and understanding of what it takes to be a good dental health professional (other people who have done these things and made up their mind do have the true desire and deserve it most) and there are many who enter dentistry thinking that it is like medicine and truth is there are many disimmilarities as there are similarities.

there is nothing wrong with being undecided or changing your mind it--it happens all the time--but when someone takes the MCAT, lies about his/her score on the forum like some sort of genius as well as his/her gpa, then asks about salary, lifestyle, chances of dental school admission, where to apply what test to take etc on the dental forums (as well as the other forums: med, dental, pharm, podiatry), to me those are all the tell tale signs that this person does not have the true desire to be a dental professional--thus they don't deserve it, so they need to bug off. Ausmil sounds to be the kind that will apply to both med and dental (as well as pharm and podiatry!!!) this year because of his insecurities in medicine.

and yes, this annoys me and NO im not a medschool reject, i'm a straight shooter and know what i want--i did my homework and prevailed. one day if you ever decide dentistry is it, you will understand.

if i was rejected from dental, i would reapply till it happened (because its what i really want to do), not go to the med school, pharm, podiatry or chiropratic forums to find out if i had better chances of getting in and how much $$$ im gonna make while putting in little hours as a dentist. its losers like that who don't give a rats a$$ about humanity, except to EXTRACT as much from $ociety as po$$ible without giving back. so bug off medschool reject (with your passionless mentality=rejection is inevitable and will soon be "official") you dont belong in this forum! im on my period; so if you dont like what i have to say bug off too. 😛

 

[WonderY]

Is it really that amusing when people change their minds? Do you actually get some form of gratification out of assuming that someone is a "copout"? The only reason that I could see someone taking shots at someone for changing is that they had their own insecurities about being a dentist instead of being an MD or DO.

Isn't there a lot of insecurities of being a DO...like you're always considered "inferior" to an MD...and it is known that most MD rejects go into DO, some go into dentistry & other health professionals. Don't get me wrong, I respect all health professions. They're great. (except for chiropractors.)

 

[WonderY]

when going into dentistry, you will be scrutinized as a medschool copout. this has become more prevalent over the years simply because people are using dental as a back up plan. (at my ucla interview, they asked me if I ever considered medicine?) nothing wrong with a back up plan, but those people using it simply for that don't deserve it because they have not paid their dues to the profession through dental related activities, shadowing, observation and understanding of what it takes to be a good dental health professional (other people who have done these things and made up their mind do have the true desire and deserve it most) and there are many who enter dentistry thinking that it is like medicine and truth is there are many disimmilarities as there are similarities.

there is nothing wrong with being undecided, but when someone takes the MCAT, lies about his/her score on the forum like some sort of genious as well as his/her gpa, then asks about salary, lifestyle, chances of dental school admission, where to apply what test to take etc on the dental forums (as well as the other forums: med, dental, pharm, podiatry), to me those are all the tell tale signs that this person does not have the true desire to be a dental professional--thus they don't deserve it, so they need to bug off. Ausmil sounds to be the kind that will apply to both med and dental (as well as pharm and podiatry!!!) this year because of his insecurities in medicine.

and yes, this annoys me and NO im not a medschool reject, i'm a straight shooter and know what i want--i did my homework and prevailed. one day if you ever decide dentistry is it, you will understand.

if i was rejected from dental, i would reapply till it happened (because its what i really want to do), not go to the med school, pharm, podiatry or chiropratic forums to find out if i had better chances of getting in and how much $$$ im gonna make while putting in little hours as a dentist. its losers like that who don't give a rats a$$ about humanity, except to EXTRACT as much from society as possible without giving back. so bug off medschool reject (with your passionless mentality=rejection is inevitable and will soon be "official") you dont belong in this forum! im on my period; so if you dont like what i have to say bug off too. 😛

I love your post. =)

 

[L8DYV]

I love your post. =)

thanks for the support. I can get real fiesty at times...hehe 😉

 

[howui3]

I was a pre med student and have decided that dental might be a better route fo me. To be honest I do not have much information on dental shool although I understand the pre-reqs are similat to pre-med. If anyone can give me info on how to apply, where to apply, the best schools in the west, salary, lifestyle, pre-reqs, etc.. or any links to this info. Thanks so much

Ausmil, where did you go?

hahaah

 

[howui3]

when going into dentistry, you will be scrutinized as a medschool copout. this has become more prevalent over the years simply because people are using dental as a back up plan. (at my ucla interview, they asked me if I ever considered medicine?) nothing wrong with a back up plan, but those people using it simply for that don't deserve it because they have not paid their dues to the profession through dental related activities, shadowing, observation and understanding of what it takes to be a good dental health professional (other people who have done these things and made up their mind do have the true desire and deserve it most) and there are many who enter dentistry thinking that it is like medicine and truth is there are many disimmilarities as there are similarities.

there is nothing wrong with being undecided or changing your mind it--it happens all the time--but when someone takes the MCAT, lies about his/her score on the forum like some sort of genious as well as his/her gpa, then asks about salary, lifestyle, chances of dental school admission, where to apply what test to take etc on the dental forums (as well as the other forums: med, dental, pharm, podiatry), to me those are all the tell tale signs that this person does not have the true desire to be a dental professional--thus they don't deserve it, so they need to bug off. Ausmil sounds to be the kind that will apply to both med and dental (as well as pharm and podiatry!!!) this year because of his insecurities in medicine.

and yes, this annoys me and NO im not a medschool reject, i'm a straight shooter and know what i want--i did my homework and prevailed. one day if you ever decide dentistry is it, you will understand.

if i was rejected from dental, i would reapply till it happened (because its what i really want to do), not go to the med school, pharm, podiatry or chiropratic forums to find out if i had better chances of getting in and how much $$$ im gonna make while putting in little hours as a dentist. its losers like that who don't give a rats a$$ about humanity, except to EXTRACT as much from $ociety as po$$ible without giving back. so bug off medschool reject (with your passionless mentality=rejection is inevitable and will soon be "official") you dont belong in this forum! im on my period; so if you dont like what i have to say bug off too. 😛

looking forward to meeting you in the fall!
🙂

 

[L8DYV]

looking forward to meeting you in the fall!
🙂

can't wait to meet you as well, 😉

 

[Audio]

can't wait to meet you as well, 😉

Get a room you two...and make sure you video tape it and send me a copy. k thnx bye

 

[JamieMac]

when going into dentistry, you will be scrutinized as a medschool copout. this has become more prevalent over the years simply because people are using dental as a back up plan. (at my ucla interview, they asked me if I ever considered medicine?) nothing wrong with a back up plan, but those people using it simply for that don't deserve it because they have not paid their dues to the profession through dental related activities, shadowing, observation and understanding of what it takes to be a good dental health professional (other people who have done these things and made up their mind do have the true desire and deserve it most) and there are many who enter dentistry thinking that it is like medicine and truth is there are many disimmilarities as there are similarities.

there is nothing wrong with being undecided or changing your mind it--it happens all the time--but when someone takes the MCAT, lies about his/her score on the forum like some sort of genius as well as his/her gpa, then asks about salary, lifestyle, chances of dental school admission, where to apply what test to take etc on the dental forums (as well as the other forums: med, dental, pharm, podiatry), to me those are all the tell tale signs that this person does not have the true desire to be a dental professional--thus they don't deserve it, so they need to bug off. Ausmil sounds to be the kind that will apply to both med and dental (as well as pharm and podiatry!!!) this year because of his insecurities in medicine.

and yes, this annoys me and NO im not a medschool reject, i'm a straight shooter and know what i want--i did my homework and prevailed. one day if you ever decide dentistry is it, you will understand.

if i was rejected from dental, i would reapply till it happened (because its what i really want to do), not go to the med school, pharm, podiatry or chiropratic forums to find out if i had better chances of getting in and how much $$$ im gonna make while putting in little hours as a dentist. its losers like that who don't give a rats a$$ about humanity, except to EXTRACT as much from $ociety as po$$ible without giving back. so bug off medschool reject (with your passionless mentality=rejection is inevitable and will soon be "official") you dont belong in this forum! im on my period; so if you dont like what i have to say bug off too. 😛

Point taken, and for the most part, well said. I really wasn't defending the original poster from this particular standpoint. It does appear that he/she was somewhat deceptive with the post, and that comes off as being a bit "shady". However, if a (responding) poster didn't have knowledge of this prior to responding, I don't think that condescending or facetious remarks are warranted. That was MY main point.

As far as choosing the field for the wrong reasons...I understand and agree. Someone who enters the profession without passion or the desire for the field will likely be unhappy anyway...and may actually be doing their patients a disservice in the long run.

Admittedly, I was bothered by seemingly snap judgment that I was a med school "copout". I'm actually someone who is looking to make an informed decision regarding my future. I've made the mistake of going the wrong direction for the wrong reasons once, and I do not intend to do it again. A forum like this seemed to be an ideal way to get additional "inside" feedback.

I think that by degrading the OP, one does not really offer them what they need to hear. Your post above could be summarized in a way that is VERY helpful and constructive to someone in this position. The OP is much more likely to listen to a polite (and direct) response. I also believe it would be more appropriate to label someone as being "lost" as opposed to calling them a "loser". This judgment seems to be a little too extreme to me. If they choose not to hear your points - then they probably didn't want the feedback anyway. Ultimately, they will have to learn by actually making the mistake.

Finally, you might be right...if I do decide to go into dentistry; I may feel more strongly about this particular point. However, I don't believe that I will ever lose my ability to offer someone a bit of constructive advice/criticism even if it is difficult for them to hear. I have a feeling that you will have a lot to offer a “would be” dentist someday, but your advice will get much more mileage if it is put into more constructive terms.

Best of luck to you.

 

[JamieMac]

Isn't there a lot of insecurities of being a DO...like you're always considered "inferior" to an MD...and it is known that most MD rejects go into DO, some go into dentistry & other health professionals. Don't get me wrong, I respect all health professions. They're great. (except for chiropractors.)

I believe your point may be somewhat valid. However, my impression is that this is becoming more passé. I am sure that some (or even many) MDs feel that DOs are inferior. If a DO feels inferior, then that is simply a problem of individual insecurity. Sure, most DO schools are easier to get into, but if you have good board scores coming out, you’re going to be eligible for competitive residencies. Let’s face it...being an MD doesn't make you a good doc...nor does having a 4.0 or getting 40 on the MCAT. What does make a good doc/dentist/fill in the blank? We all have our opinions. Bottom line is that someone needs to pursue the profession of medicine for the right reasons (my opinion). Personally, I really like the DOs philosophy…and my girl is an MD. If I were to gain acceptance into both MD and DO, I would likely choose DO (at least at this point). I have a lot more research/shadowing to do in both dentistry and medicine prior to deciding which direction I plan to go.

 

[TeethVader]

Man, people are so judgemental. I'd be willing to bet that at least half of dental students were at one point premed, so seriously people, get off your high horses and give the OP some help.

To the OP, you are going to find that a lot of dental students and applicants will claim that they've "wanted this all their lives" and have known of no other way to fulfill their dreams. That's crap. Everyone starts somewhere, and most little kids don't dream about becoming a dentist EVER. So if you truly think you are interested, congrats. It's cool that you don't know anything because neither did I. Shadowing is a good suggestion, so is using this website. I would buy the ADEA book on dental schools to answer your questions about how good schools are and how to apply, it will also give you basic info about salaries etc.

Honestly, if you're still interested in medical school but are kinda looking at dental, take Princeton Review for the MCAT, you'll have all the prep you need to take either the MCATs or the DATs, and then you can make your decision based on shadowing experience and your scores.

This is SO Sooo trueeeee....I was Premed and I won't lie. After completing my undergraduate, I got married and decided I did not wanted to be in school for another 10 years. Hence, I tested the research world and learned I missed human interaction, I shadowed a dentist during my short research career and built an appreciation for dentistry; know, I'm here in TroY land at USC and do not regret my decision at all...Dentistry is a beautiful profession...I just didn't know it during undergrad since I think we all have that admiration for medicine coming of from High School; hence the whole "premed" tag during undergrad.
To the OP, definitely shadow, make sure this is what you want to do, and definitely go for it.

 

[JamieMac]

This is SO Sooo trueeeee....I was Premed and I won't lie. After completing my undergraduate, I got married and decided I did not wanted to be in school for another 10 years. Hence, I tested the research world and learned I missed human interaction, I shadowed a dentist during my short research career and built an appreciation for dentistry; know, I'm here in TroY land at USC and do not regret my decision at all...Dentistry is a beautiful profession...I just didn't know it during undergrad since I think we all have that admiration for medicine coming of from High School; hence the whole "premed" tag during undergrad.
To the OP, definitely shadow, make sure this is what you want to do, and definitely go for it.

I'm not the original poster, but thanks for posting the valuable feedback. It is greatly appreciated. 🙂

 

[L8DYV]

okay, here is some positive, valuable and constructive feedback. i will break it down as simply as possible.

To our beloved OP, Ausmil (plus others who are interested):

Ask yourself the questions and provide yourself the answers====>

🙂 what are your core values?
🙂 what do you want to do with your life, your life goals?
🙂 how about your career?
🙂 how will this career affect your core values and life's goals?
🙂 is this what you really want to do as a career?
🙂 how do you know that this is the right career choice?
🙂 what have you done to assure yourself this is the right career choice?
🙂 are their any last minute doubts?
🙂 are you ready to buckle down and go for it?


Be honest and ask yourself the questions and hopefully you will find some direction in your pursuits.

🙄

 

[howui3]

🙂 what are your core values?
🙂 what do you want to do with your life, your life goals?
🙂 how about your career?
🙂 how will this career affect your core values and life's goals?
🙂 is this what you really want to do as a career?
🙂 how do you know that this is the right career choice?
🙂 what have you done to assure yourself this is the right career choice?
🙂 are their any last minute doubts?
🙂 are you ready to buckle down and go for it?

all those happy faces overstimulated me! 🙂

 

[Audio]

all those happy faces overstimulated me! 🙂

damn, this should make for some good footage 😱

 

[L8DYV]

all those happy faces overstimulated me! 🙂

😛

 

[Mrxle3]

So well said V!

 

[Sprgrover]

Man, people are so judgemental. I'd be willing to bet that at least half of dental students were at one point premed, so seriously people, get off your high horses and give the OP some help...

Agreed. Closing per OP's request.