I just want to pass COMLEX? Advice

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I'm not a very good standardized test taker and I wasn't a great student in the class. I'm a slow reader as well. I have 4 weeks before my exam. I just want to just pass the COMLEX.

I'm trying to set up a realistic or doable study plan
1. Read First Aid 3 times
2. Read Savarese once and memorize the viscerosomatic
3. Do as much Q-bank as possible

Were any of you in my situation or could any of you give me some advice?

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Get a good path book! brs or rapid review to go along w/ FA. Hit the areas you are weak on and try to bring them up to par.
 
I just want to just pass the COMLEX.

If you can, also think about a few other question banks such as Robbins or NMS. I found that I got a little more use out of the question banks if I didn't get use to the question style. Good Luck

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I would love to do more question banks but I don't know if I will have time. It's taking me a while to read through First Aid right now. Thanks for the advice. If there is more advice, I would welcome it
 
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Since u have 4 weeks till your exam, I would not recommend doing Robbins anything. This is a good source if u use it with every system throughout your 2nd year, but probably not when u have 4 weeks left. I read most of chapters in that book and have done questions in the question book, and can tell you that it is too much for COMLEX. Questions are difficult, more difficult than what u will encounter on COMLEX. Study pharm, micro, OMM,path, and neuroanatomy with some basic anatomy,and u will be good to go. I would recommend using BRS Path, and short review books for other subjects. Do plenty of questions as u are studying. I am not sure if COMLEX Q Bank is a good source for questions, I personally do not like their questions, too much OMM that interferes with answering questions. Maybe use USMLE Q Bank or even USMLE World, which I hear is pretty clinically oriented and has good explanations for each question. 4 weeks is not bad, u should be fine. Make a schedule.
 
Since u have 4 weeks till your exam, I would not recommend doing Robbins anything. This is a good source if u use it with every system throughout your 2nd year, but probably not when u have 4 weeks left. I read most of chapters in that book and have done questions in the question book, and can tell you that it is too much for COMLEX. Questions are difficult, more difficult than what u will encounter on COMLEX. Study pharm, micro, OMM,path, and neuroanatomy with some basic anatomy,and u will be good to go. I would recommend using BRS Path, and short review books for other subjects. Do plenty of questions as u are studying. I am not sure if COMLEX Q Bank is a good source for questions, I personally do not like their questions, too much OMM that interferes with answering questions. Maybe use USMLE Q Bank or even USMLE World, which I hear is pretty clinically oriented and has good explanations for each question. 4 weeks is not bad, u should be fine. Make a schedule.

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Thanks so much for the advice. I feel a lot better after reading that you think 4 weeks is enough time. Do you think First Aid is enough if you really know it inside and out? I'm hesitant to read Micro Made Ridiculously Simple and some other review books because they are too long. I like BRS path. Which short review books are you referring to? I'm a slow reader so I have to be realistic in regards to volume. I know some students can read all the BRS, High Yield and Micro Made Ridiculously Simple in two week but that's not me.

Is there a short Micro book that you recommend?
 
if you just want to pass the COMLEX then keep it simple and focus on whats traditionally emphasized....

-completely drop all biochem and cell & molecular....unless things have taken a complete 180 in the past year...you won't see more then a few questions on that stuff

-drill the hell out of pharm and micro..."bugs and drugs" are supposed to be huge on this test....micro made simple is a faster read then you think....I would rec reading at least the bacteria in there to be as high yield as possible (ie not the virus/parasite/etc)

-go heavy on path...you'll probably need more straight path then whats in FA....BRS Path is probably easier to get through then Rapid Review (if you haven't or will not be listening to Goljans audio)....dropping all biochem and molecular from FA should give you more time to do this

-hit Neuroanatomy and upper/lower extremity hard

-do more OMM then just one read through Savarese....if you know the OMM stuff cold it will give you a lot of easy points

-when you're not studying material do questions....I would rec UWorld over Qbank....but thats up for debate

- as said above....4 weeks isn't too bad...make a schedule and stick to it

hope that helps
 
if you just want to pass the COMLEX then keep it simple and focus on whats traditionally emphasized....

-completely drop all biochem and cell & molecular....unless things have taken a complete 180 in the past year...you won't see more then a few questions on that stuff

-drill the hell out of pharm and micro..."bugs and drugs" are supposed to be huge on this test....micro made simple is a faster read then you think....I would rec reading at least the bacteria in there to be as high yield as possible (ie not the virus/parasite/etc)

-go heavy on path...you'll probably need more straight path then whats in FA....BRS Path is probably easier to get through then Rapid Review (if you haven't or will not be listening to Goljans audio)....dropping all biochem and molecular from FA should give you more time to do this

-hit Neuroanatomy and upper/lower extremity hard

-do more OMM then just one read through Savarese....if you know the OMM stuff cold it will give you a lot of easy points

-when you're not studying material do questions....I would rec UWorld over Qbank....but thats up for debate

- as said above....4 weeks isn't too bad...make a schedule and stick to it

hope that helps


I spoke to two people today that took the CRAPLEX. Both of them said, if I had to give you one piece of advice, it would be to hammer out the "bugs and drugs"

Read Clinical Micro Cover to Cover - my hope is that you have already gone through that book at least once as a supplement to your class notes.
 
I have Clinical Micro Made Ridiculously Simple and I have to disagree with the majority of folks. I know it's popular but that books is nearly 400 pages long and I feel it goes into overkill. I'm reading the HY Micro and I really like it. It's short, concise and direct.
 
I did not use Micro Made Easy because I did not like the format of the book, this is a personal preferance. I read Rapid Review Micro and Immune. It is a relatively easy read that includes both Immune and Micro and some good questions with explanations. In my opinion, this is enough for COMLEX. While this exam is probably full of bugs and drugs, I would not expect questions to ve overly difficult, so use an easy read, do not reach for Lange or any textbooks. Rapid Review Path by Goljan is good, but BRS Path is shorter and more abbreviated, which should be perfect for COMLEX. Do not forget that COMLEX is all about buzz words, and Goljan tries to emphasize understanding, which is not necessary for COMLEX. For Pharm I would probably go with BRS Pharm, Rapid Review Pharm, or even good Pharm cards would do. If you are to pick up cards, do not pick up ones that have mechanisms and diagrams on them, pick up ones that have colors and brief descriptions. Neuro, I ve heard that High Yield Neuroanatomy is good, and it is short. I do not really know what to use for OMM, luckily our OMM department prepared us well for this exam, so I may just look at some board reviews that were done in our OMM class. Anatomy, I really do not know, concentrate more on Neuroanatomy, I would probably even skip anatomy all together, I know this sounds risky and crazy, but it should be fine. Above all, make a schedule and stick to it. I have not used FA thus far, I would probably use this book 1 week before the exam with questions. FA is one of those things that everyone has and everyone does, so I feel like I should do it too. It is not an impressive read. Maybe u could study anatomy from FA.
 
I did not use Micro Made Easy because I did not like the format of the book, this is a personal preferance. I read Rapid Review Micro and Immune. It is a relatively easy read that includes both Immune and Micro and some good questions with explanations. In my opinion, this is enough for COMLEX. While this exam is probably full of bugs and drugs, I would not expect questions to ve overly difficult, so use an easy read, do not reach for Lange or any textbooks. Rapid Review Path by Goljan is good, but BRS Path is shorter and more abbreviated, which should be perfect for COMLEX. Do not forget that COMLEX is all about buzz words, and Goljan tries to emphasize understanding, which is not necessary for COMLEX. For Pharm I would probably go with BRS Pharm, Rapid Review Pharm, or even good Pharm cards would do. If you are to pick up cards, do not pick up ones that have mechanisms and diagrams on them, pick up ones that have colors and brief descriptions. Neuro, I ve heard that High Yield Neuroanatomy is good, and it is short. I do not really know what to use for OMM, luckily our OMM department prepared us well for this exam, so I may just look at some board reviews that were done in our OMM class. Anatomy, I really do not know, concentrate more on Neuroanatomy, I would probably even skip anatomy all together, I know this sounds risky and crazy, but it should be fine. Above all, make a schedule and stick to it. I have not used FA thus far, I would probably use this book 1 week before the exam with questions. FA is one of those things that everyone has and everyone does, so I feel like I should do it too. It is not an impressive read. Maybe u could study anatomy from FA.

follow the mad russian's advice. though he does do a fair amount of heavy drinking and is probably posting in his underwear with a cigarette dangling from his lip.

seriously, though, four weeks should be plenty of time to prepare for this exam, if you do things correctly. you need:

1) a schedule. this is absolutely critical. it is how you'll ensure you'll cover everything efficiently.

2) motivation and dedication. four weeks is sufficient time, but you need to be willing to dedicate your life to this test during these four weeks. it's a small sacrifice considering the potential consequences of not passing (bad) or doing well (good!)

3) books. i would recommend a) first aid, b) rapid review physiology, c) brs pathology, d) rapid review micro and immuno, e) hy neuro. you'll also need an OMM source, though i cannot recommend one because i believe your money would be better spent on fine wine or good sushi. alas, while i do believe this, you'll probably have to sacrifice and pick an omm text. which one is up to you. use the search function to find what others have used, and see if you can find a cheap copy online (you can wait til the latter part of your study block to review omm, leaving enough time for shipping).

4) a question bank. i'd suggest UW, because i hear it's the shizzle. and it's reasonably-priced, perhaps its best feature.

5) confidence. the most important component in your preparation armament. this is true for anyone, but especially you. i don't know you, but from your posts, your lack of confidence is obvious. look, you've made it through two years of medical school, so there's no question that you have the ability to pass this exam. but you need to KNOW, not BELIEVE, that you'll pass this exam. i cannot stress this enough. take 5 minutes every day before you begin studying to ensure that you know that you'll pass this exam. whether you meditate or write "i will pass this exam" 500 times, it doesn't matter. does this sound stupid? maybe. will it work? definitely. what you do consciously will translate to your unconscious, and become part of who you are. find your confidence, and you'll be amazed at how far it will take you.

you'll use FA as your guide. it's actually a beautiful resource, as it is organized by system. follow it. re: biochem, i disagree with those who've suggested that you ignore it. why? re-read what i've written about confidence. what happens when you're faced with several biochem q's on the real exam and you haven't bothered to at least give a cursory glance over some fundamental biochem concepts? you'll likely panic, and this will affect your ability to conquer the rest of your exam. you need to be confident that you can deal with any subject that appears on the exam. any biochem on complex will be basic (basic storage ds, enzyme deficiencies, etc.) and FA will be sufficient for these. but you need to look at it, and know the basics.

moving forward. . . .i would suggest you establish your schedule by system in the same format as FA. begin by reading the corresponding section of FA. for systems such as cardio, endo, GI, neuro, renal, and respiratory, follow FA with RR phys, and follow that with BRS path. while reading these sources, identify the concepts in FA, and take notes where you feel FA does not provide adequate information for your understanding. you may also need to consult a primary source where the review books are insufficient. then, re-read FA, or, at the very least, re-read the drugs in FA (these are all you'll need for complex pharm). the reasoning behind reading FA twice is that FA distills the most salient, HY concepts out of a chaotic mass of information. reading it prior to diving into your phys and path will tell you what to focus on while reading these sources. re-reading FA after phys/path will solidify the information.

i would suggest attacking FA chronologically. begin with behavioral science, biochem, and embryo. then do the corresponding questions from your qbank. READ THE EXPLANATIONS. anything you don't understand goes where? into your FA. then what? re-read FA. this should take a day. two at most.

micro and immuno is next. FA first. then pick up RR micro/immuno. then, do questions. then. . . .re-read FA. this should take about three days, depending upon your comfort level and reading speed.

then, begin systems. each system can reasonably be covered in a day, with the possible exception of neuro. and this is only because i suggest you read HY neuro, which will take a day. same routine, though. FA neuro, then HY, questions, then FA. so about two days.

if you follow this rough outline, it should take you 14-16 days to complete. following this, your focus will shift to doing questions and re-reading FA. you'll be doing questions randomly, rather than by system. perhaps spilt your day in half, with equal parts going to reading FA and doing questions. make sure the concepts tested in the questions are in your FA. if not, add them. and pay special attention to pharm and micro. these subjects are allegedly heavily tested on complex, and can be mastered with simple repetition. leave two days or so near the end of your schedule to review omm.

this schedule will be demanding, but doable if you're truly motivated.

remember, the most important asset you'll have at the end of your 28 days is your confidence. above all else, strive to achieve confidence. it's your biggest ally on test day.

good luck, and let us know when you get your passing score so we can congratulate you.
 
I did not use Micro Made Easy because I did not like the format of the book, this is a personal preferance. I read Rapid Review Micro and Immune. It is a relatively easy read that includes both Immune and Micro and some good questions with explanations. In my opinion, this is enough for COMLEX. While this exam is probably full of bugs and drugs, I would not expect questions to ve overly difficult, so use an easy read, do not reach for Lange or any textbooks. Rapid Review Path by Goljan is good, but BRS Path is shorter and more abbreviated, which should be perfect for COMLEX. Do not forget that COMLEX is all about buzz words, and Goljan tries to emphasize understanding, which is not necessary for COMLEX. For Pharm I would probably go with BRS Pharm, Rapid Review Pharm, or even good Pharm cards would do. If you are to pick up cards, do not pick up ones that have mechanisms and diagrams on them, pick up ones that have colors and brief descriptions. Neuro, I ve heard that High Yield Neuroanatomy is good, and it is short. I do not really know what to use for OMM, luckily our OMM department prepared us well for this exam, so I may just look at some board reviews that were done in our OMM class. Anatomy, I really do not know, concentrate more on Neuroanatomy, I would probably even skip anatomy all together, I know this sounds risky and crazy, but it should be fine. Above all, make a schedule and stick to it. I have not used FA thus far, I would probably use this book 1 week before the exam with questions. FA is one of those things that everyone has and everyone does, so I feel like I should do it too. It is not an impressive read. Maybe u could study anatomy from FA.

If you haven't already taken the test, I would start reading FA. It's very underrated and it's well written. There are a lot of students who say you can pass the COMLEX by just knowing FA really well and Savarese for OMM. I will check out RR Micro and see if I like it. If it's 300+ pages, I'll probably pass and just stick with HY Micro.
 
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Well based upon advice and my persona reviews of books, this is my reading list

First Aid - 3 times
HY Neuro-once
HY Anatomy-once
HY Micro-once
HY Path-once
USMLE Road Map Pharm-twice
OMM Savarese - once (but viscerosomatic, chapman's points- multiple times)
Q-bank
USMLE Step 1 Recall- Buzzwords toward the end (multiple times)

I think that's enough and doable at my reading speed, I have only 3 weeks remaining
 
Looks good. I want to wish you all the best, I am sure u will do great. Let us know how HY Anatomy goes since I am still searching for a good Anatomy source, let me know if that book was enough for COMLEX.
 
Looks good. I want to wish you all the best, I am sure u will do great. Let us know how HY Anatomy goes since I am still searching for a good Anatomy source, let me know if that book was enough for COMLEX.

The catch with the HY books is that the print is smaller so that they can cram it into a 100 pages or so. I've looked at the HY anatomy and I think it's more than enough information. I think you will really like it. It's nearly 200 pages
 
Just a general post for everyone on this thread...I just took COMLEX today and wish I'd read these posts beforehand! There was WAY more pharm than I expected. Another topic that was heavily emphasized is neuro/neuroanatomy. OMM was huge, of course, and not quite as "easy" as everyone says it is. Micro is also a very high yield topic.

4 weeks is probably plenty of time to study and do well. I wish I'd had more time between finals and my exam, and I wish I'd done more MEMORIZING. For the most part, this test was more about rote memorization than the USMLE-style questions I've been doing (which are more reasoning-based). I wish I'd done Kaplan's QBank for the COMLEX, because the style of questions on the COMLEX is so different from the USMLERx questions I've been doing. Ah well, hopefully I'll nail the USMLE (taking it in a little over a week and a half, eek).

Good luck!
 
Just a general post for everyone on this thread...I just took COMLEX today and wish I'd read these posts beforehand! There was WAY more pharm than I expected. Another topic that was heavily emphasized is neuro/neuroanatomy. OMM was huge, of course, and not quite as "easy" as everyone says it is. Micro is also a very high yield topic.

4 weeks is probably plenty of time to study and do well. I wish I'd had more time between finals and my exam, and I wish I'd done more MEMORIZING. For the most part, this test was more about rote memorization than the USMLE-style questions I've been doing (which are more reasoning-based). I wish I'd done Kaplan's QBank for the COMLEX, because the style of questions on the COMLEX is so different from the USMLERx questions I've been doing. Ah well, hopefully I'll nail the USMLE (taking it in a little over a week and a half, eek).

Good luck!

Karine

Thanks for your input. Knowing what you know now, what study aids/book would you recommend. Would you recommend flash cards for pharm and micro. Do you recommend any Neuroscience/Neuroanatomy books? Was the anatomy mostly limited to upper and lower limb as everyone suggests?
 
Karine

Thanks for your input. Knowing what you know now, what study aids/book would you recommend. Would you recommend flash cards for pharm and micro. Do you recommend any Neuroscience/Neuroanatomy books? Was the anatomy mostly limited to upper and lower limb as everyone suggests?

I'm afraid of saying too much and getting in trouble, but I will say that High Yield Neuroanatomy is a good book. If I had more time, I certainly would've used flash cards for pharm and micro (I don't own any, so I don't know which ones to recommend). Anatomy is mostly upper and lower limb, yes.

Definitely read First Aid; it's a wonderful resource and hits many of the high-yield topics. I would also recommend looking into getting the COMLEX Question Bank from Kaplan. It certainly would've been helpful to practice with those types of questions!

Best of luck! You'll do fine.
 
Passing COMLEX:

1) Upper and Lower Limb Anatomy
2) Microbiology
3) Pathology
4) Play Odds on the exam (when you don't know --- eliminate, guess)
5) FOCUS
6) If time, some OMM here and there (Very little)

I took the exam and can say it wasn't that bad. A lot of repeats and straight forward questions. If you knew the above COLD you could pass, because most questions require basic path knowledge to diagnose, a lot of micro (20 people agreed) and upper and lower limb dominates anatomy.

Osteopathology
 
I'm hesitant to read Micro Made Ridiculously Simple and some other review books because they are too long. I like BRS path.

If I was in your situation...I'd limit my preparation to:

The *charts* out of Micro Made Ridiculously simple
BRS Phys
Rapid Review (Goljan) Path
Everything else (but not micro, phys, or path) out of First Aid.
 
If you haven't already taken the test, I would start reading FA. It's very underrated and it's well written. There are a lot of students who say you can pass the COMLEX by just knowing FA really well and Savarese for OMM. I will check out RR Micro and see if I like it. If it's 300+ pages, I'll probably pass and just stick with HY Micro.


sheesh, I would hope you can pass the comlex if you know first aid "really well". People that truly do know FA "really well" and can explain everything in it score 240+ on step1. Most people who know "most of" FA "sorta ok" can manage to sneak by with a passing score.
 
sheesh, I would hope you can pass the comlex if you know first aid "really well". People that truly do know FA "really well" and can explain everything in it score 240+ on step1. Most people who know "most of" FA "sorta ok" can manage to sneak by with a passing score.

There is no need for a response like this. If you feel my statement was dumb, keep your opinion to yourself;I'm sure there are many who agree with you but are polite and don't wish to waste their time flaming someone.

COMLEX emphasizes different subjects. There is far more pharm, anatomy and neuroanatomy on COMLEX in addition to OMM. First Aid doesn't cover anatomy, neuroanatomy and pharm very well so a lot of COMLEX takers are unsure of how much they should focus on First Aid. If I was just taking the USMLE Step I, First Aid would probably be enough just to pass. For COMLEX, it's a different story
 
I took the exam yesterday and it was a dreadful beast. I had very little micro and pharm despite what people said. I had lots of neuro including several CT scans. Neuro probably consisted of about 60 questions altogether and it had very strange lesions. The OMM was not straightforward either. Very strange OMM! I just hope I passed.

If I could advise anyone who is going to take it in the next few days or weeks, know your OMM cold. It's not just viscerosomatic points. I had 5 questions on cranial, about 4 q's on sacral and 5 on innominates. There was a ton of lower limb anatomy on my exam. Know the innervations and classic nerve lesions
 
I took the exam yesterday and it was a dreadful beast. I had very little micro and pharm despite what people said. I had lots of neuro including several CT scans. Neuro probably consisted of about 60 questions altogether and it had very strange lesions. The OMM was not straightforward either. Very strange OMM! I just hope I passed.

If I could advise anyone who is going to take it in the next few days or weeks, know your OMM cold. It's not just viscerosomatic points. I had 5 questions on cranial, about 4 q's on sacral and 5 on innominates. There was a ton of lower limb anatomy on my exam. Know the innervations and classic nerve lesions

What types of questions were the CTs pertaining to? I mean, were the questions "what is this structure?" or was it linked to a case and asked "where is the lesion?" I'm taking the beast on Thursday. I think I've covered everything sufficiently, but with regards to neuro I've mainly focused on lesions, disease processes, and hematomas. I don't feel that I know straight neuroanatomy that well. Is this something I should cram for in the next 36 hours?
 
What types of questions were the CTs pertaining to? I mean, were the questions "what is this structure?" or was it linked to a case and asked "where is the lesion?" I'm taking the beast on Thursday. I think I've covered everything sufficiently, but with regards to neuro I've mainly focused on lesions, disease processes, and hematomas. I don't feel that I know straight neuroanatomy that well. Is this something I should cram for in the next 36 hours?

I think one of them asked to identify the structure. The others related to clinical scenarios
 
There is no need for a response like this. If you feel my statement was dumb, keep your opinion to yourself;I'm sure there are many who agree with you but are polite and don't wish to waste their time flaming someone.

COMLEX emphasizes different subjects. There is far more pharm, anatomy and neuroanatomy on COMLEX in addition to OMM. First Aid doesn't cover anatomy, neuroanatomy and pharm very well so a lot of COMLEX takers are unsure of how much they should focus on First Aid. If I was just taking the USMLE Step I, First Aid would probably be enough just to pass. For COMLEX, it's a different story

1) It wasn't meant as an attack on DO students or the comlex. I just get tired of the "if you know first aid really really well" you can probably pass step1 line, especially from allopathic students. I guess people have a different take of "knowing really well" than I do, but if someone knows first aid really well(all of it) they will make 235 at least and maybe even top 250. If you know 70% or so of first aid at a fairly decent level(where you could explain things at a somewhat decent level), you'll pass.

2) FA covers pharm *more than well enough*. Im not sure where you got the idea they don't. Whether it be for USMLE or comlex. I didn't have a single pharm question that FA didn't cover. And I've talked to people who've taken the comlex, and they didn't act like there pharm was superduper detailed or anything, so I'm sure FA is enough for that as well.

In general, people who always complain(except for some pathophys questions and low yield anatomy stuff) that FA was just "not enough" for a specific subject...well they really didn't know first aid.
 
In general, people who always complain(except for some pathophys questions and low yield anatomy stuff) that FA was just "not enough" for a specific subject...well they really didn't know first aid.

Pathophys, Immuno, molecular genetics, and yes some Micro for COMLEX were the weak points which I noted on Step 1 when I took it a few years back. Immuno and molecular genetics in particular for USMLE, but I felt the questions I had on USMLE for these topics were extremely esoteric and were not in any of the books which I owned or own to this day. the pharm section was decent but I remember 2 questions on COMLEX in particular which they pulled a drug/bug combo out which weren't covered.

But I'm not going to fault First aid for these failings as it can not possibly be all encompassing and frankly, the authors of COMLEX are oblivious at times to what is actually taught in school. It's been 2 years and I'm still a little irked that they would dare put up a picture of needle for small pox vaccine.
 
1) It wasn't meant as an attack on DO students or the comlex. I just get tired of the "if you know first aid really really well" you can probably pass step1 line, especially from allopathic students. I guess people have a different take of "knowing really well" than I do, but if someone knows first aid really well(all of it) they will make 235 at least and maybe even top 250. If you know 70% or so of first aid at a fairly decent level(where you could explain things at a somewhat decent level), you'll pass.

2) FA covers pharm *more than well enough*. Im not sure where you got the idea they don't. Whether it be for USMLE or comlex. I didn't have a single pharm question that FA didn't cover. And I've talked to people who've taken the comlex, and they didn't act like there pharm was superduper detailed or anything, so I'm sure FA is enough for that as well.

In general, people who always complain(except for some pathophys questions and low yield anatomy stuff) that FA was just "not enough" for a specific subject...well they really didn't know first aid.

I didn't accuse you of attacking DO's or the COMLEX. Are you a DO student? If not then how you can determine what is appropriate for the COMLEX? Do you think talking to DO students is as relevant as taking the COMLEX yourself? And where did you get that I was "complaining" about First Aid? Please indicate where I criticized First Aid? I was simply asking other DO students who have taken the COMLEX if they felt First Aid was enough. For an allopathic student to assume it's enough because he or she can use it to excel on the USMLE is rather presumptuous. You may be right but I would rather hear that from a DO student who took COMLEX than an allopathic student making assumptions.In retrospect, I felt the neuroanatomy/neuroscience was insufficient in First Aid for the COMLEX. The point is your comments aren't really helpful to any DO student who is about to take the COMLEX so please refrain from offerring advice on the COMLEX since you are an allopathic student and have never taken the exam.
 
Pathophys, Immuno, molecular genetics, and yes some Micro for COMLEX were the weak points which I noted on Step 1 when I took it a few years back. Immuno and molecular genetics in particular for USMLE, but I felt the questions I had on USMLE for these topics were extremely esoteric and were not in any of the books which I owned or own to this day. the pharm section was decent but I remember 2 questions on COMLEX in particular which they pulled a drug/bug combo out which weren't covered.

But I'm not going to fault First aid for these failings as it can not possibly be all encompassing and frankly, the authors of COMLEX are oblivious at times to what is actually taught in school. It's been 2 years and I'm still a little irked that they would dare put up a picture of needle for small pox vaccine.

And I can't comment on the specifics of your test because I didn't take it. I will say that in a lot of "this wasn't in FA" complaints, the stuff you need to answer the question was in FA- you just have to do a little reasoning outside the box on your own.

If FA covered *every single scenario* that could appear on USMLE(or comlex in terms of non-DO spec questions), it would be 1200 pages. For example FA in the antibiotics section doesn't give you lots of antibiotic combinations. There may be some combination answer choices on the test, but that doesn't mean FA didn't have the neccessary info to answer that question- just think about what each covers and the pathogen in question and see which ones make sense and which don't. Sometimes people are just pissed when the choices aren't "just like" they read in FA.

Also, I did get one OBSCURE pharm question on my test. But from FA I still know I got the right answer because 4/5 of the answer choices were classic FA descriptions that I could eliminate as being def. wrong because I knew those, so FA still gave me the right answer.

I knew about 80% of FA well, and I probably got a 230 or so. I think I was helped by the fact that the stuff I didn't know at all(molbio, biochem, etc) was very lightly tested and I still got some of those right just by common sense.....but my point is that FA is great- if people actually know it cold.
 
And I can't comment on the specifics of your test because I didn't take it. I will say that in a lot of "this wasn't in FA" complaints, the stuff you need to answer the question was in FA- you just have to do a little reasoning outside the box on your own.

No one is complaining about FA. I don't know why you have chosen to use this thread to vent your frustration with people who criticize First Aid but you are in the wrong thread. Again, First Aid is a great source but in regards to the COMLEX, it wasn't sufficient for the neuroscience/neuroanatomy section. And I'm not saying this because I can't think outside of the box. The COMLEX writers do emphasize different criteria. I have not taken the USMLE but I'm sure you are right in that First Aid is enough to excel on it.
 
No one is complaining about FA. I don't know why you have chosen to use this thread to vent your frustration with people who criticize First Aid but you are in the wrong thread. Again, First Aid is a great source but in regards to the COMLEX, it wasn't sufficient for the neuroscience/neuroanatomy section. And I'm not saying this because I can't think outside of the box. The COMLEX writers do emphasize different criteria. I have not taken the USMLE but I'm sure you are right in that First Aid is enough to excel on it.

well give me an example of a neuroscience/neuroanatomy question on comlex where FA was totally insufficient.
 
well give me an example of a neuroscience/neuroanatomy question on comlex where FA was totally insufficient.

Look, it's pretty obvious you have an agenda to prove that First Aid is sufficient for every question. I could propose an example and you or anyone else could easily argue that information could be answered through First Aid through some 4th order reasoning. If you don't want to accept that First Aid can't answer every question on COMLEX, you are entitled to your opinion but I'm not going to play your little game. Now please stop hijacking this thread so that DO students can use it to help prepare them for the exam.
 
And I can't comment on the specifics of your test because I didn't take it.

I have taken both, and there is a notable difference in emphasis.

I will say that in a lot of "this wasn't in FA" complaints, the stuff you need to answer the question was in FA- you just have to do a little reasoning outside the box on your own.

I disagree, but that is my prerogative. And you are correct, you can not fault FA for this failing of info as it is a review book and can not fit all information in it.

But this little tangent has nothing to do with the original topic at hand and you can't really offer much insight into a test you have not and will not take.

annecomlex & anesthesiarocks, please keep things civil in the professional forums. There is no reason to be antagonistic and while I'm sure neither of you intended your posts to come across as such, let's nip this in the butt before it does progress to overt agression.
 
I'm quite certain anesthesiarocks didn't have any malintent -- and I agree with him. If you know FA inside and out you'll be more than prepared for the COMLEX (considering, of course, that you have studied your OTM and anatomy sufficiently). The thing with FA is that the devil is in the details. Sure, the bold print is important, but so is the regular print, the offhand comments, the comments inside parenthesis, the "excepts", the notes in the margins, the lists, etc. Everything is important, and if you know everything you will smoke the non-OMM component of the COMLEX.

Despite what you felt like after some questions, the answer is very likely in FA somewhere. FA was my primary study resource (except for path / OMM) and this happened to me all throughout my preparation with the UW qbank. I kept thinking "this wasn't in FA", but when I went back and looked carefully, there it was, inside a parenthesis or mentioned in a long list of things.

Yes, the COMLEX emphasizes certain subjects moreso than the USMLE (and other subjects much less than the USMLE), but again, I found that the emphasized subjects were quite managable from FA alone. Even things like locating the lesions. I can think of one single question on my COMLEX which there was no way it was in FA, but this question wasn't in any book that I know of, and I never saw it during my first two years of school. It was never discussed and didn't pertain AT ALL to any basic or clinical sciences. (I hope it was an experimental question, because I missed it!)

I think anesthesiarocks was simply stating the obvious: if you know FA inside and out you should do quite well on either board exam (supplementing OMM as necessary).
 
I'm quite certain anesthesiarocks didn't have any malintent -- and I agree with him. If you know FA inside and out you'll be more than prepared for the COMLEX (considering, of course, that you have studied your OTM and anatomy sufficiently). .

exactly. Since allo students always complain and say ridiculous things like "maybe 65% of the questions I could have gotten right from FA", there is no reason many osteo students(in general) won't make the same kind of complaints concerning the non-OTM type questions.

Here is a key question people should ask themselves to determine if you really "know" your first aid- Would you do a lot better on your test if you could use FA continuously throughout your test?

If the answer is "oh god yes", then you really don't know first aid all that well. If the answer is "maybe a little, and it might save me a little reasoning time" then you probably know FA pretty well.

Another good test to see if you really know first aid is to just pick a very small topic at random you think you're fairly comfortable with....say it's digitalis. Well you can basically recite everything FA lists on digitalis? Can you picture exactly what the FA blurb on dig is? Well if you can, you probably know it sufficiently. But if you're level of knowledge on dig is limited to "well it increases contractility, and it's mechanism deals with inhibiting the Na/K Atpase, and it produces some EKG changes but if given a list of 10 ekg changes I'm not 100% confident I could pick out the three associated with dig", then you don't know your FA all that well.
 
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