I know I shouldn't prestudy, but....

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Why do you keep referring to the book like this? Autism or are you some hired shill for the textbook companies?

I'm guessing you haven't started med school yet. Costanzo is touted by many medical students as one of the best books to learn med school-level physiology from. Hell, I'll vouch for it.

Also, I'm assuming he's underlining because, according to rules of grammar, one is supposed to underline book titles, except that the rule applies to handwriting because it is difficult to distinguish italics from normal handwriting. When typed, italics are supposed to be used instead.

It's not autism or whatever terribad joke you were trying to pull off.
 
This got a little longer than I intended. These obviously echo sentiments of previous posts, but it's my perspective. I didn't pre-study, but if I had, I would regret it so bad for a few reasons.

1. The intensity of med school isn't really something you can duplicate until you're in something that pace. So you would get through what took you a few weeks in just a few days in school.

2. You don't really need to do it, because it's set up for you to get through. It will be stressful, but you can do it.

3. If you are successful and study ahead, it may work against you. Anatomy feels like SO MUCH, but it's not in comparison to the classes that follow. So the habits you learn at the accelerated pace of anatomy will inform your habits later on. You can't really simulate the uncertainty and test stress when you're pre-studying.

4. Repetition is really important to holding onto it, and when you get to new things, it'll become really hard to hold on to what you pre-studied.

5. Most importantly, do not do it. When you are in school, the days you take tests are the best days of your life. No new material. A chance to breathe. You kill for time without a test hanging over everything. Enjoy these days. They're test days with no tests.
 
I believe you're correct there, though it's hard to say how it exactly would have turned out. But regardless, I do agree, it's hard to pre-study for something if you don't know how to deal with that level of material and any pre-studying most likely will be inefficient and not that helpful when classes start.
That is why I suggested it may be better for OP to spend their summer reaching out to med students at his/her school and getting info. on how to efficiently study and get some ideas of what that first block will be like, so OP can adapt more easily.
Talking to other med students and getting some ideas to study shouldn't burn out OP and it may make him/her feel better going in.

Ya that could very well be a great idea. At the very least you would probably make some new friends on campus
 
lol, okay... as long as you "wouldn't look down on him." Not everyone learns to get an "advantage" over classmates. Some genuinely want to learn the material. And not everyone forgets what they learn. It's more enjoyable, to me at least, to learn a topic thoroughly without the added pressure of other classes or an exam on the horizon. In fact, I'd guess you probably don't remember much of what you learn because you're cramming it along with all the other material you're trying to cover. If you took your time before starting and really learned Physio, it might makes things less stressful when you're "neck-deep in exams." People in my program who did a medical masters programs are less stressed than ones who came straight out of undergrad and majored in political science. Why? because they already covered most of the material of M1 year... This is their second time going through it. The hardest part of studying before you start medical school is knowing what to study. Taking down Physiology by Costanzo is really manageable. It's not necessary and maybe he won't retain much, but for people who want to put in a few hours each day before they matriculate, this is a good place to start.
Lol aight bro. I was just saying was that you'll have a small return on that pre-studying and its not worth it. The disorganized studying he will be doing won't compare to what he will be doing in school. As I said before, with decent study habits, M1 is completely manageable. And if he "maybe won't retain much" what is the point?
 
Hey OP - I meandered into the library at my work and pulled an anatomy book off the shelf. It is not really to pre-study, but I am just interested in the material and never took an anatomy class in undergrad.

Anyway, during my breaks at work I am now reading through this textbook, called "Clinical Anatomy for Medical Students." Pretty good so far, I am having a good time. The only rule I set for myself is to not take any notes and to read it purely for enjoyment. So far so good, it is actually pretty interesting/stimulating.

EDIT: Also, this is not an online resource, but I tossed in 25 bones for this app http://appcrawlr.com/ipad/visible-body-3d-human-anatomy-a
It is really cool on my Ipad!
 
Don't prestudy. Ignore the one poster ITT who has deluded himself into thinking that prereading wasn't a sad and lonely waste of time.

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I'm going to pre study. And I will tell you why. In middle school you learned about the cell then again in hs, then in college, and here we are taking cell bio in grad school lol. Repeated exposure helps. And so what if you don't remember everything. That's not the point. The point is familiarity. Most people say go party. No one is saying chain yourself to a desk. And I'm not discounting anyone else's opinion. But the typical low input/lazy attitude of American society is the reason why most US students don't compare with other nations. That aside, how can it hurt. I'm pretty sure most of us have been bar hopping and playing video games or whatever for most of our lives. Be a Christina Yang. Even if you pick a topic that you were weak on to go over. There's no harm in that. Don't do anatomy. But why not pick up a USMLE 1 study book and just look over it. You may not be familiar with everything but there's always google. I will say it always preparation is the best path to success. No one ever said that preparation screwed them over. (Unless your studying the completely wrong stuff)

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I'm going to pre study. And I will tell you why. In middle school you learned about the cell then again in hs, then in college, and here we are taking cell bio in grad school lol. Repeated exposure helps. And so what if you don't remember everything. That's not the point. The point is familiarity. Most people say go party. No one is saying chain yourself to a desk. And I'm not discounting anyone else's opinion. But the typical low input/lazy attitude of American society is the reason why most US students don't compare with other nations. That aside, how can it hurt. I'm pretty sure most of us have been bar hopping and playing video games or whatever for most of our lives. Be a Christina Yang. Even if you pick a topic that you were weak on to go over. There's no harm in that. Don't do anatomy. But why not pick up a USMLE 1 study book and just look over it. You may not be familiar with everything but there's always google. I will say it always preparation is the best path to success. No one ever said that preparation screwed them over. (Unless your studying the completely wrong stuff)

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MS2 here. I understand what you're saying. I mean, it should work that way and seems to make sense, right? But, the reality isn't so. Get through half of MS1 and then come back and read your post. I'm a MS2 at a US allopathic and am thankful for not having pre-studied. Med school gears up to an intensity that is manageable but the key is to keep up. Whereas it was easier to "get ahead" in middle school to undergrad, it's kind of impossible to do the same in med school. The key is to not get burnt out while keeping up with the proverbial fire hydrant.

Also, so long as you stay on top of classes, you'll be learning material with an adequate depth of understanding to allow you to get the drift of most review books. A 15 year old can pick up first aid and probably identify a couple words he's seen in his classes, but he can't put together the big picture, which happens in med school for most med students. Step 1 material is a valuable adjunct that any med student should be able to fit into his/her study routine as long as there is a plan and no burnout. Don't feel the need to review now in order to juggle both class work and boards prep once classes start. Accepted med students should just chill so much that they're worried their brains have turned to mush. You'll regret not working out more or traveling before med school if you spent needless hours studying pelvis anatomy before MS1.

And your quote about American society and its students? Give me a break. American medical schools and the residencies in the US are some of the best in the world and produce physicians across the board (from MD to DO) that are capably trained to treat patients. Also, the MD opens doors even outside of the US since it is respected. The rigor of education in the US does not pale in comparison to other nations either. Different countries take different approaches to education, but it's not like it's dumbed down in the US. Med school education isn't perfect, but no one gets into medical school in the US off of being a slouch.
 
I'm going to pre study. And I will tell you why. In middle school you learned about the cell then again in hs, then in college, and here we are taking cell bio in grad school lol. Repeated exposure helps. And so what if you don't remember everything. That's not the point. The point is familiarity. Most people say go party. No one is saying chain yourself to a desk. And I'm not discounting anyone else's opinion. But the typical low input/lazy attitude of American society is the reason why most US students don't compare with other nations. That aside, how can it hurt. I'm pretty sure most of us have been bar hopping and playing video games or whatever for most of our lives. Be a Christina Yang. Even if you pick a topic that you were weak on to go over. There's no harm in that. Don't do anatomy. But why not pick up a USMLE 1 study book and just look over it. You may not be familiar with everything but there's always google. I will say it always preparation is the best path to success. No one ever said that preparation screwed them over. (Unless your studying the completely wrong stuff)

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As if prestudying wasn't bad enough you're going to skip the one topic that might have a chance of helping you as an incoming M1 and instead go for a Step 1 review book. Honestly it's not even worth arguing with people who look through all of the available information and guidance about this subject and then somehow think they know better than the collective decades of med school experience behind the people telling them not to prestudy. It's your time, we can't stop you from wasting it--but what's the point of your post?
 
Get a white coat, make a tinder profile, put "future" med student in there somewhere along with the stupid syringe emoji (bishes will be sprung)...

get your peepee wet

Enjoy the last few months you got kiddo.


****'s finna get realllll.


But do that while reading an anatomy book and learning your directional terms, and the major basic landmarks and maybe get a good action, insertion, origin, and innervation list memorized in that time frame too.

🙂
 
I never understood all the hatred against people pre-studying. It seems like the same intolerance that people have for "nerds". I don't think the OP was asking if it's OK for him/her to pre-study. Indeed, the title of the thread is "I know I shouldn't prestudy, but...."

"It's a waste of time." For YOU maybe it is and anatomy might be the wrong thing to study, but that doesn't mean that pre-studying in general is useless or a waste of time.

I've heard people say that MS1 is the most difficult time they've ever had in their life (up to that point anyway). If anything could alleviate that stress a little, or even just build some confidence, it's not a waste.

I've also seen a few "The guy that pre-studied did terrible in MS2 because his knowledge ran-out" comments in this thread. Is the argument that he didn't learn study skills during MS1 because he already knew the material? If that's true, then that guy was stupid and he was going to do poorly in MS1 and MS2 instead of just MS2. Still seems like a win to me.

I wouldn't suggest studying until burnout, but a little here and there certainly can't hurt.

TL;DR: When week 1 of MS1 hits and you look back at the time between acceptance and now, what will you regret not having done. Do that.

And most importantly, don't let anyone on SDN think you're a "nerd". Go drink beer and have meaningless sex with drunken idiots. The opinion of your "peers" is priority #1.
 
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For YOU maybe it is and anatomy might be the wrong thing to study, but that doesn't mean that pre-studying in general is useless or a waste of time.

It's both useless and a waste of time, but if you guys want to keep jacking yourselves off crafting these fantastical self-study anatomy syllabi then go for it. Just don't post in a forum for medical students and expect us to humor you.
 
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It's both useless and a waste of time, but if you guys want to keep jacking yourselves off crafting these fantastical self-study anatomy syllabi then go for it. Just don't post in a forum for medical students and expect us to humor you.

I specifically said, and you quoted me, that studying anatomy in particular might not be worthwhile. But that does not mean that pre-studying in general is worthless.

What I find most interesting though is your need to try and keep people who want to get ahead in their place. Afraid that you'll be overtaken? Not doing so well in med school maybe? Trying to make yourself feel better by kicking the pre-meds around? Sounds like sour grapes to me.
 
I never understood all the hatred against people pre-studying. It seems like the same intolerance that people have for "nerds". I don't think the OP was asking if it's OK for him/her to pre-study. Indeed, the title of the thread is "I know I shouldn't prestudy, but...."

"It's a waste of time." For YOU maybe it is and anatomy might be the wrong thing to study, but that doesn't mean that pre-studying in general is useless or a waste of time.

I've heard people say that MS1 is the most difficult time they've ever had in their life (up to that point anyway). If anything could alleviate that stress a little, or even just build some confidence, it's not a waste.

I've also seen a few "The guy that pre-studied did terrible in MS1 because his knowledge ran-out" comments in this thread. Is the argument that he didn't learn study skills during MS1 because he already knew the material? If that's true, then that guy was stupid and he was going to do poorly in MS1 and MS2 instead of just MS2. Still seems like a win to me.

I wouldn't suggest studying until burnout, but a little here and there certainly can't hurt.

TL;DR: When week 1 of MS1 hits and you look back at the time between acceptance and now, what will you regret not having done. Do that.

And most importantly, don't let anyone on SDN think you're a "nerd". Go drink beer and have meaningless sex with drunken idiots. The opinion of your "peers" is priority #1.
You should notice that it's always pre-meds who think prestudying is a good idea. It's you're life. You may choose to believe what you want and follow whomever's advice you want. I highly encourage you to prestudy if you think it will make it easier.

You can come back here in a few years and totally school us all on how much you're prestudying made your life better in MS1-2. And then, around MS3 you can complain about how lazy the residents and interns are, and how you'll be a way better resident than they are. Then years later, you will go to the resident board and tell them how to do it.

You are the One, Neo. You may light our path. I only wish that I was walking behind you to follow your glorious lead.
 
Always the premeds saying how it's fine to pre-study.

You know what, go for it. You can look back and see how useful all that time spent studying was.

I will, and thanks for your permission, anonymous Internet person.

You should notice that it's always pre-meds who think prestudying is a good idea. ... You are the One, Neo. You may light our path. I only wish that I was walking behind you to follow your glorious lead.

Don't worry, I'm sure it won't be long until I surpass you.

By the way, pre-med just means I'm not yet in med school, in case that is unclear. I'm willing to bet that I've done more in my military days than you ever will in your life. I'm sure plenty of other lowly "pre-meds" are in the same boat. Maybe keep your condescension to yourself before you look the fool.
 
I will, and thanks for your permission, anonymous Internet person.



Don't worry, I'm sure it won't be long until I surpass you.

By the way, pre-med just means I'm not yet in med school, in case that is unclear. I'm willing to bet that I've done more in my military days than you ever will in your life. I'm sure plenty of other lowly "pre-meds" are in the same boat. Maybe keep your condescension to yourself before you look the fool.


I see this mindset in my step 1 pre-studying. I thought "I'll use all these resources and do what others wont to achieve my high score!!1" But as it came to be, the UFAP method worked and I hit my 250+ goals doing just the same old.

I tell this story to say- you may think you're a maverick and you have all the answers but in the end you will find that we are saying this for a reason. Don't care how tough you are from your military service, pre-studying without any direction is a bad idea. I challenge you to set an alert in your phone to come back to this post in 1 year and see if you stand by your statements. I think you will find that you have exhausted your prestudying in a matter of days.
 
You risk burnout pre-studying. This is coming from someone who was gung-ho about pre-studying prior to med school.

You have no clue how draining it is to study med school class lectures two years straight, almost every single day. I did great my first year, studying eight hours a day on top of lectures and pulled great scores. Second year, I was barely hitting 5-6 hours and cutting class here and there and did great, but not as good as first year. By the time Step 1 studying rolled around, I was exhausted, and didn't do as good as I could have done if I had studied harder--I barely made one pass through First AId and Uworld, and didn't touch anything else. I barely studied during third year, even when I had time, I just couldn't stand looking at medical texts and questions. Now I'm struggling through these last weeks of Step 2 CK studying, and just want to be done.

Point being, you don't want to be burnout by the time Step 1 and third years roll around--seriously, anatomy and biochem are not high yield compared to second year.

Tl/dr Enjoy life while you can.
 
Hey guys,

So I have literally been thinking of making this thread. I got accepted last cycle but had to defer for financial reasons and I'm just so bored. Thought about studying anatomy and biochem some mainly as a way to try out firecracker on some throwaway accounts to see if I liked it.

Some background on me: nontrad xray/CT tech for 8 years so I have a pretty decent standard and cross sectional anatomy background. I know every bone, tubercle, ramus, trochanter, sinus, etc. I know every artery and vein. Pretty weak on nerves and only know the biggest muscles. I suck at brain anatomy.

I took biochem in 2012 and microbio in 2013.

I'm considering pre studying because I'm so bored! I did all of my CEUs in ultrasound physics a year early just for a challenge. I've been trying to get in on some research just to stay busy and nothing's really come of it. I just really want to turn my brain on a little because I feel like it's atrophied. And again, just to familiarize myself with firecracker/anki, or whatever so I'm not fumbling through at the beginning.

Admittedly, I'm a little paranoid I guess because I graduated in 2013 and haven't taken a class since and I'll be starting almost four years later.

So even in an atypical situation like this it's not recommended to casually prestudy?


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You know what I don't know why I even bother with SDN sometimes. You all are talking about burn out like being an MD is a short term commitment. There will always be burn out in some way. No matter if I pre study or not. Second, personally I love learning and studying. Yes I DO understand work/school/life balance. Also, who said anything about blind studying. It's called an email, or asking other students whom are at the school for advice. Or simply a curriculum. Lastly, give the alcohol and sex thing a rest. I'm pretty sure plenty of people already in med school drink and have sex. Yes I agree that for maybe a traditional student going out and accomplishing something else is a plus also. However, the no prestudy thing is not a one size fits all. How do I know? Because I know at least 5 people who did it and were glad they did. That's where I got the idea from. They spoke to a prof at the school and he helped point them in the right direction. Ambition is a great trait to have and no one is saying spend 3-5 hours. But for all you whom say "you won't remember" I don't know how you plan on passing anything at all with the load and dump attitude. Try being a bit more positive. If you think it's a waste of time in the future then so be it. However I personally would admire those who did.
Prestudy if you want or don't if you dont. Have fun and kick ass. I'm sorry for those whom are M1/M2 and think it's a bad idea but maybe it's because you didn't have a good method or good direction when you tried. People train for marathons, jeopardy, eating contests, all because what they are preparing for takes enormous endurance and focus. I don't think there's a better way to prepare for even a fraction of the work than prestudy. Maybe 3 weeks to a month before classes start quit studying to get refreshed. Idk I just don't see how any sort of prep can be bad. But who am I to tell anyone different. But I will let ya know how much it helps.
Oh and the whole relying on previous info to skate thru classes is a joke. Preparation is not a supplement. Anyone who does not actively engage in learning is a tool and isn't taking their future seriously. But at least they were ahead at some point lol.

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Hey guys,

So I have literally been thinking of making this thread. I got accepted last cycle but had to defer for financial reasons and I'm just so bored. Thought about studying anatomy and biochem some mainly as a way to try out firecracker on some throwaway accounts to see if I liked it.

Some background on me: nontrad xray/CT tech for 8 years so I have a pretty decent standard and cross sectional anatomy background. I know every bone, tubercle, ramus, trochanter, sinus, etc. I know every artery and vein. Pretty weak on nerves and only know the biggest muscles. I suck at brain anatomy.

I took biochem in 2012 and microbio in 2013.

I'm considering pre studying because I'm so bored! I did all of my CEUs in ultrasound physics a year early just for a challenge. I've been trying to get in on some research just to stay busy and nothing's really come of it. I just really want to turn my brain on a little because I feel like it's atrophied. And again, just to familiarize myself with firecracker/anki, or whatever so I'm not fumbling through at the beginning.

Admittedly, I'm a little paranoid I guess because I graduated in 2013 and haven't taken a class since and I'll be starting almost four years later.

So even in an atypical situation like this it's not recommended to casually prestudy?


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Hey that's the other reason I want to pre study lol brain atrophy and mostly because I hand wrote everything in UG. So I wanted to up my typing speed and also try out programs like anki, firecracker, and/or notability. It's not just about the material. Go for it!

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MS1 now. If I hadn't taken anatomy before starting medical school, I'd be dead. I'm struggling, and I seriously can't imagine someone not having taking anatomy and having medical school anatomy as a first exposure.
 
You know what I don't know why I even bother with SDN sometimes. You all are talking about burn out like being an MD is a short term commitment. There will always be burn out in some way. No matter if I pre study or not. Second, personally I love learning and studying. Yes I DO understand work/school/life balance. Also, who said anything about blind studying. It's called an email, or asking other students whom are at the school for advice. Or simply a curriculum. Lastly, give the alcohol and sex thing a rest. I'm pretty sure plenty of people already in med school drink and have sex. Yes I agree that for maybe a traditional student going out and accomplishing something else is a plus also. However, the no prestudy thing is not a one size fits all. How do I know? Because I know at least 5 people who did it and were glad they did. That's where I got the idea from. They spoke to a prof at the school and he helped point them in the right direction. Ambition is a great trait to have and no one is saying spend 3-5 hours. But for all you whom say "you won't remember" I don't know how you plan on passing anything at all with the load and dump attitude. Try being a bit more positive. If you think it's a waste of time in the future then so be it. However I personally would admire those who did.
Prestudy if you want or don't if you dont. Have fun and kick ass. I'm sorry for those whom are M1/M2 and think it's a bad idea but maybe it's because you didn't have a good method or good direction when you tried. People train for marathons, jeopardy, eating contests, all because what they are preparing for takes enormous endurance and focus. I don't think there's a better way to prepare for even a fraction of the work than prestudy. Maybe 3 weeks to a month before classes start quit studying to get refreshed. Idk I just don't see how any sort of prep can be bad. But who am I to tell anyone different. But I will let ya know how much it helps.
Oh and the whole relying on previous info to skate thru classes is a joke. Preparation is not a supplement. Anyone who does not actively engage in learning is a tool and isn't taking their future seriously. But at least they were ahead at some point lol.

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Do whatever the hell you want. You don't need sdn to validate you. People come here asking for advice and people give their advice based on their experience.

Looking back, I think reading a little bit of Costanzo might've been a little bit productive, but entirely unnecessary and I think would've left me starting med school grumpy. Plus, I would've had to relearn and reread everything that I would've read in Costanzo. And chances are you won't remember. The vast majority of people don't retain info long-term from just reading a textbook. You need to be tested on the info, talk about the info, apply the info, use the info and that's how it sticks. Maybe you are in the small portion who can learn straight from textbooks and have enough time to really commit these things to memory

Not wanting to pre-study has nothing to do with ambition. And, yes, getting an MD will present many opportunities for burnout, but you are talking about unnecessary, avoidable burn out.

Just a heads up: Don't ask profs or curriculums for direction. No students follow the recommended readings because they usually aren't good suggestions.

Heads up number 2: Every time you think you need to use whom, put who. You use it wrong

Best of luck with you applications!
 
You know what I don't know why I even bother with SDN sometimes. You all are talking about burn out like being an MD is a short term commitment. There will always be burn out in some way. No matter if I pre study or not. Second, personally I love learning and studying. Yes I DO understand work/school/life balance. Also, who said anything about blind studying. It's called an email, or asking other students whom are at the school for advice. Or simply a curriculum. Lastly, give the alcohol and sex thing a rest. I'm pretty sure plenty of people already in med school drink and have sex. Yes I agree that for maybe a traditional student going out and accomplishing something else is a plus also. However, the no prestudy thing is not a one size fits all. How do I know? Because I know at least 5 people who did it and were glad they did. That's where I got the idea from. They spoke to a prof at the school and he helped point them in the right direction. Ambition is a great trait to have and no one is saying spend 3-5 hours. But for all you whom say "you won't remember" I don't know how you plan on passing anything at all with the load and dump attitude. Try being a bit more positive. If you think it's a waste of time in the future then so be it. However I personally would admire those who did.
Prestudy if you want or don't if you dont. Have fun and kick ass. I'm sorry for those whom are M1/M2 and think it's a bad idea but maybe it's because you didn't have a good method or good direction when you tried. People train for marathons, jeopardy, eating contests, all because what they are preparing for takes enormous endurance and focus. I don't think there's a better way to prepare for even a fraction of the work than prestudy. Maybe 3 weeks to a month before classes start quit studying to get refreshed. Idk I just don't see how any sort of prep can be bad. But who am I to tell anyone different. But I will let ya know how much it helps.
Oh and the whole relying on previous info to skate thru classes is a joke. Preparation is not a supplement. Anyone who does not actively engage in learning is a tool and isn't taking their future seriously. But at least they were ahead at some point lol.

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The explanation of a marathon runner is so false and actually works against your argument. You wonder why everyone keeps mentioning burnout? Because it's the number one thing that leads to med students dropping out and failing and to doctors hating their jobs. Medical school is not some great mental race that goes on and on for 26.2 miles nonstop at the same speed. You take a class/block that has 3-4 exams, pass them, and then may or may not have to pass a final. Then guess what happens? You start all over again. Sure having a foundation in CV will help with renal or pulm, but the work still has to be put in to pass the next set of subsequent exams as before. There is no carryover where you build a lead over anyone; it's just a series of sprints that seems like a marathon because it's so long. I would argue that if one pre-studies, they are either 1) understudying to begin with when compared to what medical school will be like (can you imagine showing up to run a full marathon when you're mentally prepared to run a half marathon?) or 2) study enough with the risk of starting off jaded and increasing the chance of burnout. And remember, it only takes one bad exam to either slap yourself into gear or lead on into a bad, downward spiral.

Also, insulting the posters offering advice on a topic you have no personal experience on is not practical. The hearsay from 5 individuals' guidance, which doesn't fall in line with what is commonly echoed through these forums and actual medical school, is not law. I know a handful of students that are a year ahead who took step 1 already. Both of them discouraged studying for step 1 a year out. They didn't even mention when to start. They just emphasized not to burn out by starting too early. Another one suggested a few months is a nice, sweet spot to avoid burnout. All 3 said they did well, and the two scores I'm aware of for these classmates are both 260+. Don't think that prestudying will get you into Derm at MGH while everyone else on this forum will be pedaling away just to match either.

It's amazing how many people who haven't gone through med school think it's just like undergrad or high school where it's going to come easy because they're just grittier than everyone else. Also, many underestimate how much they'll actually be able to learn at a high pace once everything comes full swing. As other posters have said, come back in a couple years and let us know how your opinions have or have not changed.
 
I specifically said, and you quoted me, that studying anatomy in particular might not be worthwhile. But that does not mean that pre-studying in general is worthless.

What I find most interesting though is your need to try and keep people who want to get ahead in their place. Afraid that you'll be overtaken? Not doing so well in med school maybe? Trying to make yourself feel better by kicking the pre-meds around? Sounds like sour grapes to me.

This post reminds me of what it was like to be a dopey premed

Btw prestudying is worthless
 
I challenge you to set an alert in your phone to come back to this post in 1 year and see if you stand by your statements. I think you will find that you have exhausted your prestudying in a matter of days.

Challenge accepted! I'll let you know when I get to that point and we can start the clock.

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You risk burnout pre-studying. This is coming from someone who was gung-ho about pre-studying prior to med school.

Burnout is a risk that shouldn't be dismissed. However, I think the opposite is also true. If you've been partying instead of maintaining any kind of good routine the transition back to academia can be jarring - just like it's harder to go back to an exercise routine after a break.
 
This post reminds me of what it was like to be a dopey premed

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but "dopey" has no cure. We can treat the symptoms but it will be a life-long struggle for you. Counseling is available. I'm very, truly sorry. Good luck to you.
 
I had a long response written but deleted it, it's not worth arguing with you guys. Clearly you know much more about how to succeed in medical school than those of us who have already been doing it for years.

And you guys wonder why you get salty responses? Because we try to offer our guidance and advice based on years of grinding through medical school and you guys spit it back in our faces while insulting us.
 
Every year, the same posts.

End of summer: "Should I prestudy? Should I prestudy?" Every medical student and resident: no. "Well I'm going to do it anyway and show you!"

Middle of fall: "I failed my first block/exam/there's too much/how do you study/I ruined my life/having serious doubts/etc"

Do whatever you want to do. Prestudy if it calms your nerves, but it probably won't make much of a difference wrt grades.
 
And you guys wonder why you get salty responses? Because we try to offer our guidance and advice based on years of grinding through medical school and you guys spit it back in our faces while insulting us.

How about - No. Here's how it went down:

"Hi. I'm a pre-med and I'd like to pre-study before MS1. What are some good resources?"

Try finding a friend since you obviously failed to do this for the previous 20 years of your life

Where are you in Europe? I'll find you and punch you in the nuts. Don't pre-study. If you really really really want to study, then punch yourself in the nuts.

And my personal favorite.
get your peepee wet

It sure sounds like we're spitting in your face alright. Home Depot is having a hardware sale if you want to build a cross to nail yourself to.
 
How about - No. Here's how it went down:

"Hi. I'm a pre-med and I'd like to pre-study before MS1. What are some good resources?"





And my personal favorite.


It sure sounds like we're spitting in your face alright. Home Depot is having a hardware sale if you want to build a cross to nail yourself to.
There have been plenty of reasonable responses ITT, though it's clear you're going to ignore them. The end of your post proves my point for me.
 
There have been plenty of reasonable responses ITT, though it's clear you're going to ignore them. The end of your post proves my point for me.

Yes, there have been. Those have been great. I quoted some earlier which I thought were good. You can also do a search for "IsleyOfTheNorth likes this."

Or you could make up whatever narrative you like best - either/or really.
 
What I find most interesting though is your need to try and keep people who want to get ahead in their place. Afraid that you'll be overtaken? Not doing so well in med school maybe? Trying to make yourself feel better by kicking the pre-meds around? Sounds like sour grapes to me.

The fable of the fox and the grapes has to do with rationalization, not bitterness.

Medical students find this topic grating because it exposes a peculiar blend of ignorance and arrogance.
 
The fable of the fox and the grapes has to do with rationalization, not bitterness.

The sour grapes is in reference to someone who failed to prepare, looking at someone who's attempting what they should have done.

Sour Grapes: "used to refer to an attitude in which someone adopts a negative attitude to something because they cannot have it themselves."

Or in this case, did not do themselves.

Medical students find this topic grating because it exposes a peculiar blend of ignorance and arrogance.

That's reasonable, but is it arrogant to try to prepare yourself? Before I joined the military, I wish I had better conditioned myself physically. It would have made the first few months easier. Is the arrogance in the idea that someone could give themselves a head-start in med school through self-study?

Let's assume that's true. If that's the case, the responses should have more along the lines of "Pre-study isn't very effective for reasons X, Y, and Z. But if you're determined, here are some resources that you might find useful." Some of the responses have been exactly like that and I tip my hat to those people.

What grinds my gears is the "get your peepee wet" comments to a guy who's just trying to prepare for what may be the most challenging part of his/her life. It's disrespectful of someone who's legitimately asking for advice and I don't like it. It's akin to bullying in my opinion.
 
The sour grapes is in reference to someone who failed to prepare, looking at someone who's attempting what they should have done.

Sour Grapes: "used to refer to an attitude in which someone adopts a negative attitude to something because they cannot have it themselves."

Or in this case, did not do themselves.



That's reasonable, but is it arrogant to try to prepare yourself? Before I joined the military, I wish I had better conditioned myself physically. It would have made the first few months easier. Is the arrogance in the idea that someone could give themselves a head-start in med school through self-study?

Let's assume that's true. If that's the case, the responses should have more along the lines of "Pre-study isn't very effective for reasons X, Y, and Z. But if you're determined, here are some resources that you might find useful." Some of the responses have been exactly like that and I tip my hat to those people.

What grinds my gears is the "get your peepee wet" comments to a guy who's just trying to prepare for what may be the most challenging part of his/her life. It's disrespectful of someone who's legitimately asking for advice and I don't like it. It's akin to bullying in my opinion.

Spare us the tears
 
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Spare us the tears

Oh, you changed it. I liked the original "Save the tears for someone who cares" that you posted more. It illustrated my point better. I don't suppose you'd change it back for me would you?

Edit: Really, I guess either shows what a wonderful person you must be. Your punishment: Being you.
 
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The sour grapes is in reference to someone who failed to prepare, looking at someone who's attempting what they should have done.

Sour Grapes: "used to refer to an attitude in which someone adopts a negative attitude to something because they cannot have it themselves."

Or in this case, did not do themselves.

You do realize that what you are referring to as sour grapes is mere speculation on your part.

IsleyOfTheNorth said:
That's reasonable, but is it arrogant to try to prepare yourself?

Not at all, but try looking at it from the perspective of current medical students. These are individuals who have successfully played a very long and very demanding game. If there is such a thing as a class of professional students, they are it. Is it therefore not unreasonable for them to expect that their collective opinion, which is essentially unanimous, be respected by those who are currently at an earlier stage in the very same game?

There are legitimate, definable reasons why pre-studying is extraordinarily inefficient. A student can sit down with a stack of medical books, but without guidance, context, spaced repetition, and a plan to build and integrate the information, it won't stick in any meaningful way. When those who have gone before you are saying it is a waste of time, it's not because they are trying cut down people who they are not competing with. No, they are trying to do what upperclassmen tend to do with great generosity: pass on some of the fragments of wisdom they have accrued. They only get irritated when the fragments are spit back on the table by less experienced individuals who nonetheless think they know better.
 
If you're the kind of person that reads science-related textbooks for fun (ie a favorite hobby), prestudying makes sense. In that case, it would be the individual "enjoying" their time to the fullest prior to starting med school.

These people exist. Cool.

That said, if there is anything you find more fun/enjoyable than reading textbooks that could be done with you time... 100% of the time go that route instead.

If you think about it, the hordes of med students/residents that took the stance against MS-0 prestudying DO NOT have a dog in this fight. They benefit zero from your final decision whether to study or not.

So why would they all be unanimously biased towards telling you prestudying is a waste?

The stakes aren't that high really. If you want to prestudy, start skimming things to get a lay of the land... BUT attempting straight memorizing of facts at this point is fruitless unless you have a rainman like memory.
 
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You do realize that what you are referring to as sour grapes is mere speculation on your part.

Speculation, I agree, but that what it sounds like to me.

Not at all, but try looking at it from the perspective of current medical students. These are individuals who have successfully played a very long and very demanding game. If there is such a thing as a class of professional students, they are it. Is it therefore not unreasonable for them to expect that their collective opinion, which is essentially unanimous, be respected by those who are currently at an earlier stage in the very same game?

There are legitimate, definable reasons why pre-studying is extraordinarily inefficient. A student can sit down with a stack of medical books, but without guidance, context, spaced repetition, and a plan to build and integrate the information, it won't stick in any meaningful way. When those who have gone before you are saying it is a waste of time, it's not because they are trying cut down people who they are not competing with. No, they are trying to do what upperclassmen tend to do with great generosity: pass on some of the fragments of wisdom they have accrued. They only get irritated when the fragments are spit back on the table by less experienced individuals who nonetheless think they know better.

Again, I totally get that and it's perfectly reasonable (although I do not think that it is a unanimous consensus). What isn't reasonable, in my opinion, are some of the responses that OP got back from what he/she saw as a legitimate question.

Try finding a friend since you obviously failed to do this for the previous 20 years of your life

What defense is there for a response like that? What possible justification could JP2740 have had for that response? Nothing the OP said warranted that. I thought that the purpose of SDN was to share knowledge with those coming up through the system; not "Sh1t on people who know less than you to make yourself feel better."

I have no tolerance for that type of person. It's pathetic in the truest sense of the word.
 
Speculation, I agree, but that what it sounds like to me.



Again, I totally get that and it's perfectly reasonable (although I do not think that it is a unanimous consensus). What isn't reasonable, in my opinion, are some of the responses that OP got back from what he/she saw as a legitimate question.



What defense is there for a response like that? What possible justification could JP2740 have had for that response? Nothing the OP said warranted that. I thought that the purpose of SDN was to share knowledge with those coming up through the system; not "Sh1t on people who know less than you to make yourself feel better."

I have no tolerance for that type of person. It's pathetic in the truest sense of the word.

Dude this place is for medical students, not premeds that whine about literally everything. Stop being annoying, thanks.
 
Or in this case, did not do themselves.

That's reasonable, but is it arrogant to try to prepare yourself? Before I joined the military, I wish I had better conditioned myself physically. It would have made the first few months easier. Is the arrogance in the idea that someone could give themselves a head-start in med school through self-study?

Let's assume that's true. If that's the case, the responses should have more along the lines of "Pre-study isn't very effective for reasons X, Y, and Z. But if you're determined, here are some resources that you might find useful." Some of the responses have been exactly like that and I tip my hat to those people.

What grinds my gears is the "get your peepee wet" comments to a guy who's just trying to prepare for what may be the most challenging part of his/her life. It's disrespectful of someone who's legitimately asking for advice and I don't like it. It's akin to bullying in my opinion.

Hi. I am a fourth year medical student, and I have been successful so far. Based on what you have posted, that puts me in the position you wish to someday reach.

Pre-studying is probably less than helpful. There are many reasons for this, and I'll give you a few of them.

The first few weeks to the first semester of medical school are spent bringing everyone up to speed. This may surprise you, but you and your classmates come from extremely different backgrounds in knowledge. All of you will have massive holes in your knowledge of basic biochem, anatomy, embryology, and physiology. The first portion of medical school is spent correcting that deficit. Trying to learn medical school material without correcting your baseline deficits is unlikely to be of use.

Very few individuals can, much less will, voluntarily drive themselves at the pace that medical school will. Even if you spend 3 or 4 months now on dedicated studying, you are unlikely to do so at the same pace you do then.

If you did manage to attain the right pace, then you would still be very inefficient. The goal of medical school is to gather relatively high yield information (although some do this better than others) and present it to you in an easily digestible manner. People spend years figuring out how to do this for you, designing curricula, creating lectures, refining them, etc.

It is unlikely that you will be able to independently replicate that effort. Even if you did, you would still struggle to decide what information you would likely be tested on, and what information was more or less likely to be on step one.

Oh, and frankly, if any of us seem sour on the topic, it is more likely than not because we did do this ourselves and we regretted it later. This is certainly the case for me. If there is any one thing that medical school teaches you, it is the value of time. It is the single most valuable thing any of us have, and we give it up for very little in return.

My advice on what would be useful:
1. Learning another language (especially Spanish). You won't' be a translator, but it is still valuable for forming connections and trust with patients.
2. Learning a programming language (this is simply an invaluable skill, and will open up a whole new perspective for you)
3 Becoming physically fit and having a good diet. It is much easier to maintain this than it is to attain it.
4. Maintaining and generating a strong support network (which you will absolutely need)
5. Meeting some of your classmates (see 4)
6. Making contacts at the university you intend to go to and reaching out about research opportunities (if you must do something more related).

Good luck with whatever you choose
 
You just sound like a whiny hypocrite. My advice is to grow some more skin.

Admittedly true. I'd be a better person if I could resist the temptation to return fire. Unfortunately, this sort of thing elicits a visceral response from me. Not an excuse, but an unfortunate fact.
 
Costanzo's a great book. Sure, read it if you want. It'll help a bit.

As for pre-studying in general, I never understood the point. If you're already a good student, you'll hit things out of the park when it's time to study. If you're not as good as everyone else, what makes you think you're going to be able to focus when there's no pressure to study? Differences in medical school performance are not due to lack of understanding, but rather lack of motivation.
 
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If you're not as good as everyone else, what makes you think you're going to be able to focus when there's no pressure to study?

It basically comes down to how you're motivated I think. If you're just going through the motions to get it done with then, yeah, that makes sense.

For me, when I go to class, I go to learn. What I mean is, I'm not just paying for a piece of paper that says B.S. or M.D., I'm actually learning things that will hopefully make me a better doctor. I did the same thing when I was studying for my current profession and it's a large part of why I've done so well in it. It's the same reason I'm learning Spanish. I don't want to learn Spanish. It's not required to become a doctor. But learning it will make me a better doctor - and I want to be a good doctor. Thus I engage the self-discipline lever and study my Spanish even though I don't "have" to. Even though there is no "pressure" aside from the internal pressure of wanting to be better.
 
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