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Hello All,

So I just recently failed out of Ross University school of medicine in the carribs. I failed out by one percent. I was a direct admission, studied my tail off in undergrad. Got a 3.4 GPA, majored in Bio, minored in Anthro, but the only thing really that really stopped me from a US med school was my MCAT score, took it once and got a 20 unfortunately. So I just applied to ross with that and got in. I also did research at one of the countries top med schools. I was also vice president of our Honors Biology Frat in undergrad. I have also shadowed physicians in a 3rd world nation. I failed out of Ross because the program was too accelerated for me, and I had insomnia throughout the semester. Failed out by one percent... But now I still want to continue my dream in medicine, but maybe this all was a sign to continue else where in medicine? I have been researching pretty hardcore into podiatry, and it so far I like what I've been reading. Do you think a podiatry school would accept a failed out med student? Oh, and p.s... I never jacked around at Ross, I literally studied from dusk till dawn.. but i guess my study habits were not efficient enough... oh and please.. try not to insult me on this thread making fun of me because I failed out.. I am already going through a tough time as it is... I can take constructive criticism though...
 
Hi - Not sure about acceptance; the best thing is to contact the schools. Podiatry curriculum is also pretty rigorous. If you apply to NYCPM, I would recommend starting in January as the program is extended to 4.5 years instead of 4 years, I believe. Best of luck!
 
Hopeng said:
Hello All,

So I just recently failed out of Ross University school of medicine in the carribs. I failed out by one percent. I was a direct admission, studied my tail off in undergrad. Got a 3.4 GPA, majored in Bio, minored in Anthro, but the only thing really that really stopped me from a US med school was my MCAT score, took it once and got a 20 unfortunately. So I just applied to ross with that and got in. I also did research at one of the countries top med schools. I was also vice president of our Honors Biology Frat in undergrad. I have also shadowed physicians in a 3rd world nation. I failed out of Ross because the program was too accelerated for me, and I had insomnia throughout the semester. Failed out by one percent... But now I still want to continue my dream in medicine, but maybe this all was a sign to continue else where in medicine? I have been researching pretty hardcore into podiatry, and it so far I like what I've been reading. Do you think a podiatry school would accept a failed out med student? Oh, and p.s... I never jacked around at Ross, I literally studied from dusk till dawn.. but i guess my study habits were not efficient enough... oh and please.. try not to insult me on this thread making fun of me because I failed out.. I am already going through a tough time as it is... I can take constructive criticism though...
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Apply with your 20 and 3.4 GPA. Don't tell the schools you dropped out of Ross. It's not a US accredited school and therefore you do not need to disclose it. Now is this ethical? probably not and i would not recommend it because i am a very professional individual.

I do know of a friend who dropped out of SGU with similar stat's as yourself who tried to get in at Western Univ. Unfortunately they did not accept her.

Podiatry is not a second chance school. Also, If your goal is to be a allopath or osteopath, you might not like having a restricted license.
Good luck

On a side note, you should also consider money. How much did you take out? are you going to max out your federal loans midway through pod school? realize that you are collecting interest and will stack that money up for another possible 4 years.
 
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Don't the Pod apps ask what you have been doing since graduating college? If they do, be honest. If they don't, they should.
 
1. Make sure you have shadowed a Pod. As you have already learned, the "easy way out" is NOT always the easiest...That should be the Caribbean schools' new motto now that I think about it

2. Podiatry admins and adcoms aren't all very ethical themselves. If they think you should be too then they ought to set a better example. There is nowhere on the app that I can remember where you would have to disclose this, so give yourself the best shot at admissions and DON'T. Hematosis might not want to admit it, but that was an excellent point that I would simply echo.

3. I personally don't think Western has the application pool to be very strict, but Ankle Breaker is right; Of the 9 programs, someone will see 3.4 and 20, and bite.

4. The loan question is a good one to ask yourself, but you could "make up" around $10-15k per year by not being an idiot and finish all 4 years without taking out the max loans.
 
dtrack22 said:
1. Make sure you have shadowed a Pod. As you have already learned, the "easy way out" is NOT always the easiest...That should be the Caribbean schools' new motto now that I think about it

2. Podiatry admins and adcoms aren't all very ethical themselves. If they think you should be too then they ought to set a better example. There is nowhere on the app that I can remember where you would have to disclose this, so give yourself the best shot at admissions and DON'T. Hematosis might not want to admit it, but that was an excellent point that I would simply echo.

3. I personally don't think Western has the application pool to be very strict, but Ankle Breaker is right; Of the 9 programs, someone will see 3.4 and 20, and bite.

4. The loan question is a good one to ask yourself, but you could "make up" around $10-15k per year by not being an idiot and finish all 4 years without taking out the max loans.
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Wouldn't a school's administration be able to tell somehow during the 4 years you are with them that you didn't disclose a school? I've heard stories of allopathic/dental/etc students dismissed in their 3rd and 4th years because they were 'discovered'. I wouldn't recommend it. It's not like you're switching from Law School to med school. This is the same field. It's too big a risk to take to not be upfront with this. What do you guys think?
 
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dtrack22 said:
Podiatry admins and adcoms aren't all very ethical themselves. If they think you should be too then they ought to set a better example. There is nowhere on the app that I can remember where you would have to disclose this, so give yourself the best shot at admissions and DON'T. Hematosis might not want to admit it, but that was an excellent point that I would simply echo.
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This is terrible advice. Whether others are ethical or not has nothing to do with anything. It is up to YOU to do the right thing. Be honest, and the chips will fall where they may. Be dishonest and spend your time looking over your shoulder until the hammer falls, which it will.

Btw, I know some Pod admins and folks on the adcom committees and maybe SOME are in the grey zone, but MOST are hard working, ethical people. Blanket generalities are harmful. If you think they send the wrong message, and are setting a bad example, when you're in a position to participate, please do, and change things for the better. Don't be surprised though that if you do participate, some people won't see the work you do as positive, no matter how much good you think, and probably are, doing.
 
Hopeng said:
Hello All,

So I just recently failed out of Ross University school of medicine in the carribs. I failed out by one percent. I was a direct admission, studied my tail off in undergrad. Got a 3.4 GPA, majored in Bio, minored in Anthro, but the only thing really that really stopped me from a US med school was my MCAT score, took it once and got a 20 unfortunately. So I just applied to ross with that and got in. I also did research at one of the countries top med schools. I was also vice president of our Honors Biology Frat in undergrad. I have also shadowed physicians in a 3rd world nation. I failed out of Ross because the program was too accelerated for me, and I had insomnia throughout the semester. Failed out by one percent... But now I still want to continue my dream in medicine, but maybe this all was a sign to continue else where in medicine? I have been researching pretty hardcore into podiatry, and it so far I like what I've been reading. Do you think a podiatry school would accept a failed out med student? Oh, and p.s... I never jacked around at Ross, I literally studied from dusk till dawn.. but i guess my study habits were not efficient enough... oh and please.. try not to insult me on this thread making fun of me because I failed out.. I am already going through a tough time as it is... I can take constructive criticism though...
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Maybe you ought to pay attention to the sign(s). Your post reflects a lack of due thought and focus. Take some time to reflect upon your dreams. If you could not cut it at Ross with your reported bona fides, there may be issues transcending any advices you glean from this site. Podiatry school is NOT a place for washouts. Maybe graduate school, research and some volunteer work will provide some enlightenment toward your ill-defined goals. Then again, you might have posted this to jerk around podiatrists/students. If that's the case…I think you can figure out what you can do with yourself.
 
Kidsfeet said:
If you think they send the wrong message, and are setting a bad example, when you're in a position to participate, please do, and change things for the better.
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Maybe you could send our wonderful alma mater a nice letter? It would be nice to see someone in your position take a stance on allowing students who haven't passed Part I to continue all the way into their 4th year of education. Or how about the students in the class or two behind me who were caught blatantly cheating and still allowed to continue with the program? Then there are those awesome Part I practice Q's we get, seems like every year 10 of those are practically found word for word on the APMLE...
 
RockyIV said:
Maybe you could send our wonderful alma mater a nice letter? It would be nice to see someone in your position take a stance on allowing students who haven't passed Part I to continue all the way into their 4th year of education. Or how about the students in the class or two behind me who were caught blatantly cheating and still allowed to continue with the program? Then there are those awesome Part I practice Q's we get, seems like every year 10 of those are practically found word for word on the APMLE...
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I wasn't the one complaining about the issues and making a blanket statement regarding the ethical behavior of people I don't know.

Are you so sure I'm not doing the above things? Changes take time, and there are power in numbers. Are you game?

Just btw, I feel like I've earned the privilege to point fingers because I AM doing something and trying to initiate change. What are YOU doing?
 
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RockyIV said:
Or how about the students in the class or two behind me who were caught blatantly cheating and still allowed to continue with the program?
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What did your student officers do about this situation? I also know in these situation, there is a permanent scar on their record and these types of things can be something that can bite them in the arse YEARS from now. Do you think that what happens in school only affects you when you're a student?
 
Hopeng said:
Hello All,

So I just recently failed out of Ross University school of medicine in the carribs. I failed out by one percent. I was a direct admission, studied my tail off in undergrad. Got a 3.4 GPA, majored in Bio, minored in Anthro, but the only thing really that really stopped me from a US med school was my MCAT score, took it once and got a 20 unfortunately. So I just applied to ross with that and got in. I also did research at one of the countries top med schools. I was also vice president of our Honors Biology Frat in undergrad. I have also shadowed physicians in a 3rd world nation. I failed out of Ross because the program was too accelerated for me, and I had insomnia throughout the semester. Failed out by one percent... But now I still want to continue my dream in medicine, but maybe this all was a sign to continue else where in medicine? I have been researching pretty hardcore into podiatry, and it so far I like what I've been reading. Do you think a podiatry school would accept a failed out med student? Oh, and p.s... I never jacked around at Ross, I literally studied from dusk till dawn.. but i guess my study habits were not efficient enough... oh and please.. try not to insult me on this thread making fun of me because I failed out.. I am already going through a tough time as it is... I can take constructive criticism though...
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who on Earth told you podiatry school is easier? I want to sympathize with you but if your studying habits don't change than you will not be successful at any program with a heavy load. If you did change your habits, than apply to schools in your own field so you can follow your dreams, Universidad de Guadalajara might take you.
 
Kidsfeet said:
What did your student officers do about this situation? I also know in these situation, there is a permanent scar on their record and these types of things can be something that can bite them in the arse YEARS from now. Do you think that what happens in school only affects you when you're a student?
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A scar on their record? when was the last time a patient of yours asked you to show him/her your pod school transcript? Just the idea of these people will be treating live patients makes me cringe.
 
Kidsfeet said:
Just btw, I feel like I've earned the privilege to point fingers because I AM doing something and trying to initiate change. What are YOU doing?
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Is that the reason for the move? Headed back to right the ship, so to speak?

Ckjets nailed it. All these yahoos need is to get a residency. Which, with the number of subpar students, is entirely too likely to happen.

I was in a position to try and make changes. Ohio continues to accept more students than their cap, NYCPM is once again under the watchful eye of the NBPME for their magically high board scores, Temple essentially stole money from some of my classmates who were allowed to continue with the program when any honest educator would have told them to give it up. The list goes on.

Students do have some power. Kids could start outing their own schools, but since we are all far too proud to do that, I guess we'll have to wait until some of the programs follow Barry's lead and clean house. At least in residency we don't have to be surrounded by all the shadiness on a daily basis.
 
RockyIV said:
Is that the reason for the move? Headed back to right the ship, so to speak?

Ckjets nailed it. All these yahoos need is to get a residency. Which, with the number of subpar students, is entirely too likely to happen.

I was in a position to try and make changes. Ohio continues to accept more students than their cap, NYCPM is once again under the watchful eye of the NBPME for their magically high board scores, Temple essentially stole money from some of my classmates who were allowed to continue with the program when any honest educator would have told them to give it up. The list goes on.

Students do have some power. Kids could start outing their own schools, but since we are all far too proud to do that, I guess we'll have to wait until some of the programs follow Barry's lead and clean house. At least in residency we don't have to be surrounded by all the shadiness on a daily basis.
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you are a joke. Please provide some evidence rather than pointing fingers. NYCPM does well on boards and you suspect a problem? Did it ever occur to you that perhaps they increases their admission standards and changed their curriculum?
 
ckjets said:
A scar on their record? when was the last time a patient of yours asked you to show him/her your pod school transcript? Just the idea of these people will be treating live patients makes me cringe.
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You have to get a license to practice and get on insurance plans before you start treating patients and will need to get on hospital staff to have OR privileges.

One of my most trusted mentors tells me "think differently" when a challenging situation arises. Think about ALL the repercussion of your actions.
 
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hematosis said:
you are a joke. Please provide some evidence rather than pointing fingers. NYCPM does well on boards and you suspect a problem? Did it ever occur to you that perhaps they increases their admission standards and changed their curriculum?
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Careful hematosis, your ignorance (lack of knowledge on the subject matter) is on display.
 
RockyIV said:
Students do have some power. Kids could start outing their own schools, but since we are all far too proud to do that, I guess we'll have to wait until some of the programs follow Barry's lead and clean house. At least in residency we don't have to be surrounded by all the shadiness on a daily basis.
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Excellent post.
 
Kidsfeet said:
Unfortunately, "shadiness" does not discriminate the intelligent from the not so much. Maybe I misunderstood the meaning of the post.
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I think he used the word shadiness to describe the "corruption" at some schools.
 
hematosis said:
you are a joke. Please provide some evidence rather than pointing fingers. NYCPM does well on boards and you suspect a problem? Did it ever occur to you that perhaps they increases their admission standards and changed their curriculum?
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Any school who goes from average board scores to 99% will immediately be looked at by the folks who create the exam. The NBPME was/is looking into their scores from a year ago. I never said that NYCPM did anything wrong, since it is most likely due to the small class size that particular year. But what have they done the last 3 years? Oh yeah, accept over 100 students, again. You'd think they would have seen the light when the smaller class did so well. Speaking of curriculum, maybe you guys should be more focused on your own program at Western. 40 hours per week is a lot of class to have only an 83% pass rate even after you lose almost 1/3 of the class to attrition.

Kidsfeet said:
I have no idea what this means. Please elaborate.
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Thought you were coming back to Philly? I must have been wrong.

The opportunities I had at Temple are no longer available. I will continue to be involved within the APMA, but the APMA has zero interest (and may not have the ability) to tell some of the Deans how to run their programs. Heck, the CPME can't even "punish" a program for things like accepting more students than a school's cap allows. They have some of the weakest bylaws I've ever seen; which is why Western exists lol
 
RockyIV said:
Any school who goes from average board scores to 99% will immediately be looked at by the folks who create the exam. The NBPME was/is looking into their scores from a year ago. I never said that NYCPM did anything wrong, since it is most likely due to the small class size that particular year. But what have they done the last 3 years? Oh yeah, accept over 100 students, again. You'd think they would have seen the light when the smaller class did so well. Speaking of curriculum, maybe you guys should be more focused on your own program at Western. 40 hours per week is a lot of class to have only an 83% pass rate even after you lose almost 1/3 of the class to attrition.


Thought you were coming back to Philly? I must have been wrong.

The opportunities I had at Temple are no longer available. I will continue to be involved within the APMA, but the APMA has zero interest (and may not have the ability) to tell some of the Deans how to run their programs. Heck, the CPME can't even "punish" a program for things like accepting more students than a school's cap allows. They have some of the weakest bylaws I've ever seen; which is why Western exists lol
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I understand your concern, but what you are doing is merely speculating . If you are going to make such a bold accusation, you really should have some concrete evidence to substantiate your claim.
 
hematosis said:
I understand your concern, but what you are doing is merely speculating . If you are going to make such a bold accusation, you really should have some concrete evidence to substantiate your claim.
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Which claim? The NBPME one or the Western one? You know that nothing will ever be published by either the NBPME or NYCPM so you can either believe that I know what I'm talking about or not. As for Western, I can go ahead and post those numbers if you'd like.

Kidsfeet,
I don't have you confused, I must have misheard the moderator. Apologies.
 
RockyIV said:
Any school who goes from average board scores to 99% will immediately be looked at by the folks who create the exam. The NBPME was/is looking into their scores from a year ago. I never said that NYCPM did anything wrong, since it is most likely due to the small class size that particular year. But what have they done the last 3 years? Oh yeah, accept over 100 students, again. You'd think they would have seen the light when the smaller class did so well. Speaking of curriculum, maybe you guys should be more focused on your own program at Western. 40 hours per week is a lot of class to have only an 83% pass rate even after you lose almost 1/3 of the class to attrition.


Thought you were coming back to Philly? I must have been wrong.

The opportunities I had at Temple are no longer available. I will continue to be involved within the APMA, but the APMA has zero interest (and may not have the ability) to tell some of the Deans how to run their programs. Heck, the CPME can't even "punish" a program for things like accepting more students than a school's cap allows. They have some of the weakest bylaws I've ever seen; which is why Western exists lol
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24 out of 29 students passed. Of the five that did not, two missed passing by one point, and two more missing passing by two points. This was straight from the Dean's mouth. While obviously not ideal, I'd say that isn't too bad to have 28/29 students either pass or be within two points of passing considering they had no idea what to expect on the exam (no class above them to get advice from). I also heard that AZPOD had an absolutely horrendous pass rate when their first class took the Part 1 exam (less than 50% is what I heard) and now they have just about 100% pass each year.
 
Saint419 said:
24 out of 29 students passed. Of the five that did not, two missed passing by one point, and two more missing passing by two points. This was straight from the Dean's mouth. While obviously not ideal, I'd say that isn't too bad to have 28/29 students either pass or be within two points of passing considering they had no idea what to expect on the exam (no class above them to get advice from). I also heard that AZPOD had an absolutely horrendous pass rate when their first class took the Part 1 exam (less than 50% is what I heard) and now they have just about 100% pass each year.
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Making excuses such as missing only one or two questions is downright silly. Regardless of how many questions you missed, failing is FAILING.

As I've stated before, Western's result on part 1 should be taken with a grain of salt as this was their first time. I have no doubt that in the future, Western will be able to produce respectable results similar to the top tier schools.
 
Kidsfeet said:
Moderator? Of this site?

I don't have a clue what you're referring to.
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Not of this site. A moderator of a discussion/lecture/presentation (whatever you'd like to call it). Like I said, I must have misunderstood him.
 
NYCPM's board score last year was due to increasing the incoming statistics of students. In this institution, we aren't even allowed to say "this might be on the boards". Its very harsh here with that due to the incident a few years ago at another school. If any school is giving their students a study guide, that could automatically warrant an investigation and void the board results. It was mentioned earlier in this thread that one school may be giving a study guide - those are very serious accusations and should only be made if true.

Also, CPME no longer allows schools to take that extra 10% over their cap.
 
Oh hey Sig is back! Any luck tracking down board scores for NYCPM this year....?
 
Sig Savant said:
Also, CPME no longer allows schools to take that extra 10% over their cap.
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Sig must have a newer document than the CPME 130...probably a document that hasn't even been published yet! 🙄

CPME 130 said:
Annual fluctuations that result in a 10 percent or less cumulative increase in the maximum number of students matriculated in the first-year class do not need prior authorization from the Council.
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tracheatoedoc said:
I've been to both. Pod school is much easier.
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Really??? after completing medical school in the carribean and giving all sorts of advice about admissions and residency???

1) I personally don't believe you are a podiatric attending. or any attending. I don't even believe you went to podiatry school.
2) Lets say I did believe you, why didn't you stick with medicine after completing a general surgery residency? (and becoming an attending???) because its seems you are giving tons of advice to tons of different people about how wonderful the carribean is and how easy it is to get a residency in general surgery.
3) Wouldn't it naturally be easier the second time around when you already went through medicine once?

Smells like quack to me.
 
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