I never understood the loss of empathy during medical training. Until now.

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DermViser said:
A skin punch biopsy is a power tool? I guess. LOL. Your reasons are actually good reasons to pursue the field. I think being able to "see" the results of treatments and/or procedures you've done is very gratifying. Many of the ones who really like doing procedures all the time go on to do Mohs.
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Sounds good to me. You'll host me for an away in 2 years, right? Thanks, see you then. Ill bring the bourbon.
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seminoma said:
Sounds good to me. You'll host me for an away in 2 years, right? Thanks, see you then. Ill bring the bourbon.
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LOL! Well if you like eczema, hemangiomas on babies, genodermatoses, etc. sure. I'm sure you're more looking for rotating with @MOHS_01. Might be expensive though. I hear he likes Chateau Margaux.
 
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DermViser said:
LOL! Well if you like eczema, hemangiomas on babies, genodermatoses, etc. sure. I'm sure you're more looking for rotating with @MOHS_01. Might be expensive though. I hear he likes Chateau Margaux.
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Yeah, price is a little steep but I'll just order some from this site and we can enjoy it together... ;)http://goo.gl/9BykUR
 
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DermViser said:
It's really cool to watch. I think the more "fun" part is throwing in stitches with the needle driver at the end to close it up. There are some people who are really quite talented in that area esp. with huge excisions: http://www.dermnetnz.org/procedures/excision.html
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I think the sweet part is how you make the incision bigger and deeper so that it heals cosmetically better. That's stupid cool
 
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In some ways I can totally relate to what she's feeling. Yet in other ways I can't in any way relate to her experience. We all personally experience some frustrating parts of medical education at one time or another, but how we respond to it has a lot to our backgrounds I think.

I grew up in a small one bedroom basement apartment with my parents, and now the one bedroom apartment I'm "cooped up" in by myself is bigger than twice the size of the the apartment I grew up in. The loan from school might be meager for some people, but it's more than anything I ever had growing up. The med school I'm currently in has so much more resources in every single way compared to the public city university I went to. Of course it's frustrating to be drinking out of a fire hydrant in terms of the amount of information I'm responsible for, but in many ways I've never had it so good before in my life. I can't help but feel that the traditional woe is the med student attitude comes from a certain myopic view.

I suppose this is why med schools are officially starting to recruit students like myself now (as per the LCME), because the typical med student, with an average family income of over 110k, comes from a background that many Americans can't really relate to.
 
DermViser said:
LOL! Well if you like eczema, hemangiomas on babies, genodermatoses, etc. sure. I'm sure you're more looking for rotating with @MOHS_01. Might be expensive though. I hear he likes Chateau Margaux.
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Nah, that's just what I tell the students to keep them away - heh. I'm actually more of a Woodford and Kate Upton / Salma Hayek / Alyssa Milano / Brittany Daniel type myself. ;)
 
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There is a section of a book called How Medicine Constructs Its Objects by Byron Good in Medicine, Rationality, and Experience: An Anthropological Perspective that discusses this phenomenon of how medical school "changes" you, as he interviews and interacts with medical students at Harvard Med. It's heavy not in its language but rather the analysis, because he looks to discuss how medical school, as one of the students puts it, is "...a forced emotional experience...These are total experiences, like an occult thing or boot camp." Byron Good tries to get to that why and how of what makes medicine create these situations/circumstances. It's a thought-provoking book, for it has other good sections (chronic pain and how we as society embody and interpret it was great) that reflect on the intersections of medicine and cultural perception and embodiment.
 
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To add to that quote that the student says, because I realized it provides more context to what is being said that would be important:

"Medical school is really weird. It is a forced emotional experience. We handle cadavers, have feces lab where we examine our own feces, go to [a mental hospital where we get locked up] with screaming patients. These are total experiences, like an occult thing or boot camp.

...It's not just an extension of college. College was also a total experience, but you could get by with less direct engagement, and still learn things. Here you have to interact with the information. When you dissect a brain you have to interact with these things and with your own feelings. Look at what you're playing with.

I feel like I'm changing my brain everyday, molding it in a specific way- a very specific way." [emphasis in original text]

Take into note the research was done during the early 1990s (book was published in 1994).
 
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MOHS_01 said:
Nah, that's just what I tell the students to keep them away - heh. I'm actually more of a Woodford and Kate Upton / Salma Hayek / Alyssa Milano / Brittany Daniel type myself. ;)
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I can tell by your avatar you have a taste for fine women.
 
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MOHS_01 said:
Crossfit chicks make me lose my ****. SMH @ me.
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oh my lord yes. I don't train anything close to crossfit but the way it makes women look... all of them should sign up. Srs crossfit for a year adds 2 points to a woman's rating.
 
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As an aside based on the title...

Anyone who doesn't understand the loss of empathy in medical training never has had to try to discharge a discharge resistant homeless meth head who casually throws around the word "suicide" when ever the term is brought up, but who also refuses to work with the social worker for placement. Need help with placement? Sure, we've got social workers, and if we need more time, then sure. Throw the social worker out of your room while mentioning "suicide" and my well of - - - - s just dried up.
 
Siggy said:
As an aside based on the title...

Anyone who doesn't understand the loss of empathy in medical training never has had to try to discharge a discharge resistant homeless meth head who casually throws around the word "suicide" when ever the term is brought up, but who also refuses to work with the social worker for placement. Need help with placement? Sure, we've got social workers, and if we need more time, then sure. Throw the social worker out of your room while mentioning "suicide" and my well of - - - - s just dried up.
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that sounds awful wtf do you even do then
 
PL198 said:
oh my lord yes. I don't train anything close to crossfit but the way it makes women look... all of them should sign up. Srs crossfit for a year adds 2 points to a woman's rating.
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Thank you @MOHS_01!!

:wow::wow::wacky::wacky::wacky::watching::watching::watching::heckyeah::heckyeah::heckyeah:
 
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maxxor said:
You suck it up and get stuck with a rock until you rotate off service.
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In this case, he was already cleared psych, so we gave him one more night and then discharged him. I think most of us are willing to give patients the benefit of the doubt (regardless of whether they deserve it or not), provided they're willing to work with us. The problem is that at some point you have to put your foot down about the hospital not being a homeless shelter or drug rehab facility, and that easily seems calloused, heartless, and cold.
 
Siggy said:
In this case, he was already cleared psych, so we gave him one more night and then discharged him. I think most of us are willing to give patients the benefit of the doubt (regardless of whether they deserve it or not), provided they're willing to work with us. The problem is that at some point you have to put your foot down about the hospital not being a homeless shelter or drug rehab facility, and that easily seems calloused, heartless, and cold.
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So Psych was essentially to absolve the hospital of liability. Let me guess IM?
 
DermViser said:
So Psych was essentially to absolve the hospital of liability. Let me guess IM?
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1. Yes, IM.
2. Partially... we also have a behavioral health building on campus, and if they felt so compelled they could have had him D/Ced to behavioral health. If you have a patient who is saying that 'he's hopeless and if he's discharged, he's going to commit suicide" are you going to play with that fire?
 
Siggy said:
1. Yes, IM.
2. Partially... we also have a behavioral health building on campus, and if they felt so compelled they could have had him D/Ced to behavioral health. If you have a patient who is saying that 'he's hopeless and if he's discharged, he's going to commit suicide" are you going to play with that fire?
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Definitely not. It's the most frustrating part of inpatient IM where you're doing a lot of things that aren't medicine related.
 
my 10/10 Camille Leblanc-Bazinet

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would hypenate my last name for her nom sayin'
 
MOHS_01 said:
Crossfit chicks make me lose my ****. SMH @ me.
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PL198 said:
oh my lord yes. I don't train anything close to crossfit but the way it makes women look... all of them should sign up. Srs crossfit for a year adds 2 points to a woman's rating.
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Really? I mean the two girls you posted pics of are hot for sure, but every "cross fit girl" I know in real life is built roughly like a refrigerator...
 
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southernIM said:
Really? I mean the two girls you posted pics of are hot for sure, but every "cross fit girl" I know in real life is built roughly like a refrigerator...
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You need to find better scenery -- I promise you it is out there.

Tumblr ---> crossfitchicks

#amen&hallelujah
 
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Why bother looking at that when porn exists?
 
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DermViser said:
And you wonder why you can't relate to women? Explains your heavily skewed view of women though.
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Oh come on, wouldn't you rather see a naked bish than some lady doing crossfit?
 
I think this is very understandable. The reasons we go into medical school often are not the ones that keep us in the field of medicine. It is easy to become depersonalized by how everything has become distilled into some test you are graded on, and when you try to protect yourself from seeing so much human suffering on a daily basis that you try not to get close to patients. Don't forget, we're all human and trying to do our best in an emotionally and intellectually demanding field.
 
Arkangeloid said:
Oh come on, wouldn't you rather see a naked bish than some lady doing crossfit?
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depends on the bish

JLaw? meh, i've had better

Victoria Justice? HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG

okay lets get this thread back on topic

i think it depends on the person more than the training

some people are just a lot more resilient than others
 
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southernIM said:
Really? I mean the two girls you posted pics of are hot for sure, but every "cross fit girl" I know in real life is built roughly like a refrigerator...
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Show me one that is built like a fridge and I'll show you 10 babes. I mean being lean makes your face naturally more attractive, so I don't find it hard to believe that the average chick that trains CF for a year+ is very physically attractive.

Also, probably the hottest CF chick: http://instagram.com/p/n8RR2DnOsz/?modal=true
 
RJGOP said:
I don't know, I don't like it when women are too muscular.
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none of them are even really muscular, except maybe the top ones and it's because they're using hormones. not to mention those are the people that obsess about it and make it their lives. I doubt avg girl who has avg dedication to cross fit would ever get too muscular for your tastes as it's going to be extremely hardly physiologically
 
PL198 said:
none of them are even really muscular, except maybe the top ones and it's because they're using hormones. not to mention those are the people that obsess about it and make it their lives. I doubt avg girl who has avg dedication to cross fit would ever get too muscular for your tastes as it's going to be extremely hardly physiologically
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Most of those women have six packs, which I find unattractive, even if they aren't extremely muscular. I like a woman who is fit and exercises a lot, but lifting-no.
 
RJGOP said:
Most of those women have six packs, which I find unattractive, even if they aren't extremely muscular. I like a woman who is fit and exercises a lot, but lifting-no.
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I agree with you about the abs(too low of BF to have a period naturally and thus affecting reproduction), but again I think that thing will be biased by the highest performing ones. Why is lifting an inherently bad thing for them to do? All things considered, a woman being stronger and having less body fat is 100 % positive.
 
PL198 said:
I agree with you about the abs(too low of BF to have a period naturally and thus affecting reproduction), but again I think that thing will be biased by the highest performing ones. Why is lifting an inherently bad thing for them to do? All things considered, a woman being stronger and having less body fat is 100 % positive.
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Maybe my view is slightly skewed by artificial results and the East German women during the Olympics. Women with huge arms isn't attractive, but less fat= more beautiful- to a certain extent of course. Too skinny isn't beautiful.
 
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southernIM said:
Just that I've never given a woman's body fat percentage and it's possible implications on her reproductive capability a conscious thought...
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Neither have I.
 
Medicine isn't about helping people. It's about treating diseases. Helping people is how people inflate their egos in medicine.
 
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Kaustikos said:
Medicine isn't about helping people. It's about treating diseases. Helping people is how people inflate their egos in medicine.
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And some people get inflated egos as a result of their specilaty. For example, I was reading about this Pediatric CT surgeon who said he fixes what G-d can't. What a ridiculous and arrogant thing to say. If that guy was in family medicine would he say that? Certainly not. I just think its ridiculous how people think they own the world because they are one specialty or another. Obviously, that guy was a bad apple, and there are some people who are the antithesis, but come on.
 
I was on my way back from the hospital today with a classmate of mine when some ladies in a car stopped by us and asked for directions somewhere. We get to talking while my buddy looks up directions to wherever they're going, and we tell them that we're med students up here for a rotation but that we don't actually live here (thus the need to look up directions). One of them then says that she has a couple of nieces if we're interested.

That makes it all worth it, right?

Right?
 
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NickNaylor said:
I was on my way back from the hospital today with a classmate of mine when some ladies in a car stopped by us and asked for directions somewhere. We get to talking while my buddy looks up directions to wherever they're going, and we tell them that we're med students up here for a rotation but that we don't actually live here (thus the need to look up directions). One of them then says that she has a couple of nieces if we're interested.

That makes it all worth it, right?

Right?
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**** bitches, get MD. Ur doing it wrong.



Jk, go on and get you some.
 
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