I royally messed up in undergrad as a pre-med and have no idea what to do with my life now.

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Not sure if this is the right forum or even the right site for it but I didn't know of any other reliable source of information than this site. I've posted a few threads about my situation on other forums but this one is different.

Long story short, after 210 credit hours that factor in retakes, I graduated college (a state flagship) this past spring with a 2.4 GPA and a 2.6 GPA overall (averaged from the two colleges I attended). I made some D's and C's in upper level science courses but somehow due to a miracle pulled out 4.0s for my final 3 semesters (A's in classes like cell bio and histology).

Unfortunately, after doing calculations I found out that my BCPM GPA is a 1.8 with over 100 attempted credit hours. No way that is ever getting fixed at all.

I know that professional schools are not a possibility for me at all and all I have known is the medical field in my college years as a pre-med. There was a lot of outside influence for me to go into medicine (mainly by family) but all these years I felt like maybe there is something else that might be my calling in life.

So far in the summer, I have been very depressed by my GPA and feel like it didn't tell the true story of what kind of a student I really am and even right now, I feel like so many doors are closed to me after this academic debacle. I am only 21 and I feel like my life is practically over as my low college GPA will haunt me for life.

I didn't know where else to seek advice but to anyone that has been in this situation or know someone else who has been in a similar situation before, what would be the best step to take from here?

I am not in college anymore which means no more career centers or anything. The only shot I have at a job is one as a lab tech and other than that, I have no idea what to do with my life now.

If this is the wrong forum I apologized but I am so depressed right now.....
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So your science/BCPM GPA is a 1.8 factoring in retakes?

Not to be rude or condescending, but after 210 credit hours (including retakes/grade replacement) your 2.4 GPA is reflective of what sort of student you are. I suppose you could try another round of retakes but I'm not sure if that would be advisable. Hopefully someone can offer you some good news.
 
Upwardtrendfornow said:
Not sure if this is the right forum or even the right site for it but I didn't know of any other reliable source of information than this site. I've posted a few threads about my situation on other forums but this one is different.

Long story short, after 210 credit hours that factor in retakes, I graduated college (a state flagship) this past spring with a 2.4 GPA and a 2.6 GPA overall (averaged from the two colleges I attended). I made some D's and C's in upper level science courses but somehow due to a miracle pulled out 4.0s for my final 3 semesters (A's in classes like cell bio and histology).

Unfortunately, after doing calculations I found out that my BCPM GPA is a 1.8 with over 100 attempted credit hours. No way that is ever getting fixed at all.

I know that professional schools are not a possibility for me at all and all I have known is the medical field in my college years as a pre-med. There was a lot of outside influence for me to go into medicine (mainly by family) but all these years I felt like maybe there is something else that might be my calling in life.

So far in the summer, I have been very depressed by my GPA and feel like it didn't tell the true story of what kind of a student I really am and even right now, I feel like so many doors are closed to me after this academic debacle. I am only 21 and I feel like my life is practically over as my low college GPA will haunt me for life.

I didn't know where else to seek advice but to anyone that has been in this situation or know someone else who has been in a similar situation before, what would be the best step to take from here?

I am not in college anymore which means no more career centers or anything. The only shot I have at a job is one as a lab tech and other than that, I have no idea what to do with my life now.

If this is the wrong forum I apologized but I am so depressed right now.....
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There's still Nursing School, PA, etc. Pls don't waste your money going Carib because that's basically a scam.
 
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I'm sorry you're feeling depressed. It probably doesn't feel like it right now, but nobody's life is over at 21. You have plenty of time to figure this out. My advice is to try to block out the pressure from your family and try to listen to yourself right now. Maybe you need to take some time away from the pre-med world and do something else for a little while. Maybe you'll find your true calling. And if you don't find your true calling and want to go back to medicine, you can do an SMP or something, or maybe do a postbac and retake those classes that are bringing down your gpa, and then apply for DO school. Your 4.0 in your last three semesters tells me you can do it.
 
Well the issue is that the GPA is too low and there are too many credit hours invested in it so post-bacc and SMPs will be useless, plus even masters programs have GPA limits in the 3.0s.

PA school is also VERY COMPETITIVE, you need like at least a 3.5 to be a competitive applicant. I think it is safe for me to say that my career in medicine is down the toilet but I have no idea what to do with my life now, it is worrying me a lot and I literally have nightmares about a future where I am out on the streets begging for money........

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Upwardtrendfornow said:
Well the issue is that the GPA is too low and there are too many credit hours invested in it so post-bacc and SMPs will be useless, plus even masters programs have GPA limits in the 3.0s.

PA school is also VERY COMPETITIVE, you need like at least a 3.5 to be a competitive applicant. I think it is safe for me to say that my career in medicine is down the toilet but I have no idea what to do with my life now, it is worrying me a lot and I literally have nightmares about a future where I am out on the streets begging for money........

🙁
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If you're worried about becoming a beggar I would suggest finding a job, any job really, and going from there. I imagine having some income will relieve a bit of the stress and nightmares.
 
Ok, you are not going to be on the streets begging for money. DO schools accept grade replacement, so I don't think you will be as burdened by your current gpa as you may think.

But do you really want to do medicine? It kinda sounds like you're not sure. It's gonna be okay, though. Think about what you need in your life to be happy and think about what you can do to get there. Medicine might not be essential to your happiness.
 
True guys, all this time I really felt like I went into being a pre-med because of outside pressure and I felt like the medical field is the only field not that affected by the recession. My curiosity has been going for computer science and maybe working for a technology firm like google one day but I don't have the degree for it. I am just so depressed right now because of my awful performance in school and I do feel like a failure in life.

The feeling of failure I am getting right now in life is so overwhelming to me.

Thanks for the support here guys and I look forward to reading more good advice, right now I feel like I have literally sabotaged my life mostly being my own fault.
 
tortelliniboy said:
I thought you wanted to be a dentist last month.
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I did but dental school is not ever happening with those grades, thought I made that clear on my other thread.

The goal has gone from one day being a dentist to now not ending up as a unemployed homeless bum.
 
I'm bringing it up because it's kind of an illogical move to use allopathic medicine as a back up when considering the gpa requirement. As other posters pointed out, you seem unsure of what you want.
 
tortelliniboy said:
I'm bringing it up because it's kind of an illogical move to use allopathic medicine as a back up when considering the gpa requirement. As other posters pointed out, you seem unsure of what you want.
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Not a backup, this is the most active forum and there is a lot of good advice here compared to pre-dent which is not as active (yet still has a lot of good advice and quality members). As for allopathic medicine and dentistry, the way GPAs are done is quite similar, they don't do grade replacement and both are similarly competitive.
 
Do you have health insurance? As a medical professional listening to what you are saying, I think one of your first steps is to seek out some type of professional counseling.

Depending on how independent of a person you are and what social network you have, you could probably use some outside emotional and mental support to help you through this.
 
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Upwardtrendfornow said:
True guys, all this time I really felt like I went into being a pre-med because of outside pressure and I felt like the medical field is the only field not that affected by the recession. My curiosity has been going for computer science and maybe working for a technology firm like google one day but I don't have the degree for it. I am just so depressed right now because of my awful performance in school and I do feel like a failure in life.

The feeling of failure I am getting right now in life is so overwhelming to me.

Thanks for the support here guys and I look forward to reading more good advice, right now I feel like I have literally sabotaged my life mostly being my own fault.
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Honestly, this "woe is me" act is quite played out. You state you made "some" C's and D's. If by some, do you mean mostly, because I cannot even figure the math how one ends up with a 2.4 with 210 credit hours. You state that you feel that this doesn't demonstrate the kind of student you are? To say the least, 210 hours is well over the 120 required for most students, and with such a low GPA, to most admissions committee, it demonstrates exactly the caliber of applicant you are.

Instead of wallowing in your failures, if you really wish to pursue this path, excel in a SMP, and dominate the MCAT.

Will this be tough? Of course, but its your actions that have brought you to this point, so if you want it bad enough / are as capable as you think, then go demonstrate to admission committees that you deserve a spot.
 
what are you looking for? this isn't the first thread you've made about your issue and people have given you solid advice. every time someone gives you an option you make an excuse. if you want it bad enough, you'll find away. if not, stop wasting everyone's time whining about how sad you are over something that is 100% within your control.
 
also, if you can't even get it together with something as simple as your undergrad, then how on earth do you even expect to do well in med school. let alone even pass your board exams. harsh truth: not everyone is cut out to be a doctor.
 
Right now, I know I am not quite professional school ready and something needs to be fixed before I ever decide to get myself back into the game. It's just that I have been more depressed in recent months than I have ever in my entire life so I decided to reach out to you guys. I liked everyone's post as a sign of thanking them for reading this thread and attempting to help me out. From the way life is for me right now, I am in a very deep hole and have had a lot of sleepless nights in recent weeks because of it.So many of my friends my age have plans, they are doing amazing things, jumping into their careers, and here I am completely lost about what I am going to do so I came here because you guys just know your stuff real well compared to other sources.
 
your life is not over. you are a typical new college grad who has a useless degree. please take the time to talk to some friends and family about a career path.

but you're not going to get into medical school, and I am really disappointed by some posters who are trying to encourage you to do SMP, etc.
 
doc05 said:
your life is not over. you are a typical new college grad who has a useless degree. please take the time to talk to some friends and family about a career path.

but you're not going to get into medical school, and I am really disappointed by some posters who are trying to encourage you to do SMP, etc.
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Don't worry, I gave up the thought of med school and dental school weeks ago, not happening in this lifetime because that GPA is just not going to get fixed and even if it does, the chances still aren't that great. I am just having a hard time actually finding what I want to do now as a bio major with an awful GPA and no future career prospects in his life right now.
 
Upwardtrendfornow said:
Right now, I know I am not quite professional school ready and something needs to be fixed before I ever decide to get myself back into the game. It's just that I have been more depressed in recent months than I have ever in my entire life so I decided to reach out to you guys. I liked everyone's post as a sign of thanking them for reading this thread and attempting to help me out. From the way life is for me right now, I am in a very deep hole and have had a lot of sleepless nights in recent weeks because of it.So many of my friends my age have plans, they are doing amazing things, jumping into their careers, and here I am completely lost about what I am going to do so I came here because you guys just know your stuff real well compared to other sources.
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This probably isn't the best place to reach out. A lot of posters here have almost zero empathy. Talk to your friends and family. See a psychologist if you can. Don't compare yourself to your friends your age, though. You're your own person and you have to find your own path.
 
genericpremedstudent said:
dude, cmon. i'm 29 sitting in undergrad classes with kids who are 11 years younger than me. there are people younger than me who are already attendings. i'm not on SDN crying about it. instead, i'm making sure that i do everything i can to succeed. i feel like you just want people to feel sorry for you.
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It might come off as that with this thread but I don't, I just wish I had a way to find a path or something to do to get me start, get what I am trying to say? Like I wonder what most people who major in biology and graduate with an awful GPA do with their lives after college.

Cotterpin said:
This probably isn't the best place to reach out. A lot of posters here have almost zero empathy. Talk to your friends and family. See a psychologist if you can. Don't compare yourself to your friends your age, though. You're your own person and you have to find your own path.
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I am grateful for your concern and your advice on this thread has been great, also happy for you, but I have developed a thick skin over the years so name calling and other things do not affect me as much. Right now, my aim is to find out what to do with my crappy GPA and a bio major.
 
Upwardtrendfornow said:
Don't worry, I gave up the thought of med school and dental school weeks ago, not happening in this lifetime because that GPA is just not going to get fixed and even if it does, the chances still aren't that great. I am just having a hard time actually finding what I want to do now as a bio major with an awful GPA and no future career prospects in his life right now.
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newsflash: nobody cares about your major in the real world. you are a college grad with no marketable skills (which is true for all college grads). find an entry-level job in the business world and learn some real-world skills.
 
The one common thing we're trying to say is figure out what you want and do it. Right now you're scared, panicking, and spinning in circles. At least if you have a goal you'll have something to work towards which will do wonders for your motivation/happiness. After establishing the goal we can then find a realistic approach to reaching it. The floundering and self pity is the reason why everyone is responding like they are in this topic.
 
tortelliniboy said:
The one common thing we're trying to say is figure out what you want and do it. Right now you're scared, panicking, and spinning in circles. At least if you have a goal you'll have something to work towards which will do wonders for your motivation/happiness. After establishing the goal we can then find a realistic approach to reaching it. The floundering and self pity is the reason why everyone is responding like they are in this topic.
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Understood, in hindsight it would have just been better for me to make a thread called "what do pre-meds who finish with awful GPAs do with their lives after college?" rather than this pool of self-pity. I am sorry about that guys, right now times are tough for me and I was not thinking clearly many minutes ago. So we can now re-direct this thread to talking about options for pre-meds with awful GPAs after college.
 
doc05 said:
newsflash: nobody cares about your major in the real world. you are a college grad with no marketable skills (which is true for all college grads). find an entry-level job in the business world and learn some real-world skills.
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Newsflash: people do care about your major in the real world unless you are at a Ivy school. From the standpoint of corporate finance, any major analyst tracks actively hunts for Finance / Accounting backgrounds, that is unless you are looking for the worthless position of "business analyst". Good luck getting into the Big 4, Goldman Sachs, Merrill Lynch into a non-sales position with philosophy from random StateU.
 
congratulations, you are now one of many college graduates who screwed off, got bad grades, and now has a completely worthless degree and will have to find an entry level job making minimum wage until you climb the corporate ladder. good luck.
 
genericpremedstudent said:
congratulations, you are now one of many college graduates who screwed off, got bad grades, and now has a completely worthless degree and will have to find an entry level job making minimum wage until you climb the corporate ladder. good luck.
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thanks......
 
I don't know man, since you've mostly been in a pre-professional school track throughout college have you made a list of other things you could see yourself doing? Maybe a trade, accounting, freelance writing? I'm just throwing random things out there. There's always teaching but you'd have to gain a certification and get some shadowing in.
 
Firstly, as I believe someone has already mentioned, if you're feeling more depressed than you ever have before, it might be a good idea to consider speaking with a professional. There's a lot of misconceptions about what psychologists and clinical social workers do- many therapists aren't just there for super severe psychiatric disorders. They also help people during major transitions, when you're not sure what to do next, family issues, and the like.

Secondly, just because you've graduated school doesn't mean your school's career center can't help you. Many schools offer career counseling to alumni, particularly recent graduates. Contact your academic advising office or career services office to see what they offer recent grads.

Thirdly, many people change career paths throughout their life. What you're going to be doing at 22 may very well not be what you'll be doing at 32 or even 42. Sure, there are some lucky people who figure it out right away. But there are plenty of people who don't. Right now, it'll be good to get a job to alleviate financial concerns and keep your resume from having too many gaps.
You're going to have to sit down and just start applying for all kinds of entry level jobs that look for a science degree. Think lab tech (many companies have needs for lab techs, including soda, makeup, sunscreen, cleaning products...) or forensics technician (qualifications vary by state but some states only require a bachelors in a science).
I'm not sure how much you really enjoy science or healthcare, but you could also consider getting certified as an EMT or nursing assistant and finding a job in one of those areas.
You're not looking to make great money right now or find your great passion. You already hinted that computer science might be what you love. The key now is to find a job so you have some kind of income and some health benefits. From there, you can save up money and go back to school for your true passion (lots of schools have programs for people pursuing a second bachelor's- they'll take some of your general ed credits so you won't have to earn all 120 credits over again- usually just your major and an abbreviated list of general requirements). Or perhaps in that time you'll decide medicine is for you and you can consider one of the other paths, like an SMP or grade replacement for DO school.

At any rate, please consider talking to a professional, remind yourself daily that your life is far from over, and that you can take control of your future.

Good luck!
 
OP, I'm going to be very honest with you.

If you actually want to be a physician, if you retake the classes that you failed, then you could apply to DO. Based on the number of credits you have (and how low of an overall average it is, considering also that you've had an upward trend lately), that would probably take at least four heavy-load semesters.

An SMP would be a Hail Mary pass, and not one that I'd feel comfortable throwing right now if I were you, particularly with your weaker academic background, and certainly not when you're not in the best place mentally by your own admission.

There's a difference between being employed and heading to medical school. Medical school is not for the faint of heart, and it crushes people who want to be there in order to be physicians.

If you're looking for something that you could be employed as despite your record- you could transfer to a community college and complete a trade's program. Electricians, plumbers, contractors, mechanics, and chefs all make honest livings- and give you a lot of flexibility and potential for some money making depending on your realm of expertise. (My brother is a mechanic, who does some on-the-side work with manual transmissions, and he knows a guy who specializes in HVAC units who does alright for themselves.)

So, please, talk to your family. Take the time. Talk to your counselor, or anyone you trust. It's not over, and you're still in a position where you could make the most of it. No matter what your GPA is, or what you decide, you're not worthless. You're the only you we're ever going to have- and you deserve to do what makes you happy.
 
Hi OP,

To be completely honest with you, the path of medicine is probably not for you. Is this path impossible? No. But it will be extremely difficult to make it. It would be a constant uphill battle for you, and from your posts, I think you already know that it isn't for you.

With that low of a GPA, I don't see any professional schools as viable in the near future. You need to find jobs that are hiring for anyone with a degree and do not care about GPA. Since you are a BIO major, you could always work in a lab. But perhaps your best bet would be to find an internship to gain experience and to get your foot in the door.

I am truly sorry that you are feeling depressed about your situation. Times are tough and the job market isn't the best right now for Bio majors. You need to find what you are passionate about still. I would find a job in the mean time (any job will do, even if it is minimum wage) to keep yourself busy. The worst thing you can do right now is handle this alone. Please seek out family and friends to help you. Good luck OP! And remember, everyone makes mistakes. Don't beat yourself up too much.
 
genericpremedstudent said:
congratulations, you are now one of many college graduates who screwed off, got bad grades, and now has a completely worthless degree and will have to find an entry level job making minimum wage until you climb the corporate ladder. good luck.
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There is absolutely no reason for you to be such an ass. He's looking for advice in the wrong place, I agree, but stop abusing somebody you don't even know in real life. Have a little respect, some of the people on SDN disgust me.
 
Nibus said:
There is absolutely no reason for you to be such an ass. He's looking for advice in the wrong place, I agree, but stop abusing somebody you don't even know in real life. Have a little respect, some of the people on SDN disgust me.
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at what point do you stop trying to spoon-feed someone options that they aren't willing to take? like i stated earlier, this isn't his first post on this subject. he got his answer last time. nothing wrong with dishing out a little harsh truth, some people need it.
 
Look you need to retake all the science classes that you got c/d/f in and get As in all of them. Then 1) your GPA will go up. But more importantly 2)you'll have two solid years of good grades that will show your true potential. Then go ahead and take the Mcat (or dat if you want to go to dental) and apply very very broadly.
That's your best shot.
Some Schools do indeed reward reinvention.
Good luck

Edit:typo
 
I'm going to recommend something a little different, assuming you genuinely have a deep passion for pursuing medicine.

You say your GPA is not indicative of the type of student you are; if that's true then use the MCAT to prove it. Dedicate 4 entire months to the MCAT. Don't take any classes. Don't work a job. Eat ramen every day and live in your uncle's basement if you have to.

If you crush the MCAT (I mean literally nothing less than a 90th percentile score), then you might have a shot. You have a 4.0 in your final 3 semesters, so you're already working on an upward trend which is good. If you couple your MCAT with maybe 1 more semester of strategic retakes (all your D/F courses), I can say confidently that there are some DO schools that would at least grant you an interview.

If you can't bring yourself to score well on the MCAT, then unfortunately your GPA is exactly representative of the type of student you are. At that point you just need to own it, and pursue the 9-5 life (which I've lived, and it's really not so bad -- free time is a wonderful thing).
 
Azete said:
I'm going to recommend something a little different, assuming you genuinely have a deep passion for pursuing medicine.

You say your GPA is not indicative of the type of student you are; if that's true then use the MCAT to prove it. Dedicate 4 entire months to the MCAT. Don't take any classes. Don't work a job. Eat ramen every day and live in your uncle's basement if you have to.

If you crush the MCAT (I mean literally nothing less than a 90th percentile score), then you might have a shot. You have a 4.0 in your final 3 semesters, so you're already working on an upward trend which is good. If you couple your MCAT with maybe 1 more semester of strategic retakes (all your D/F courses), I can say confidently that there are some DO schools that would at least grant you an interview.

If you can't bring yourself to score well on the MCAT, then unfortunately your GPA is exactly representative of the type of student you are. At that point you just need to own it, and pursue the 9-5 life (which I've lived, and it's really not so bad -- free time is a wonderful thing).
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Lol pcp docs work 8-5 with on call on weekends. Not so different
 
Upwardtrendfornow said:
Unfortunately, after doing calculations I found out that my BCPM GPA is a 1.8 with over 100 attempted credit hours. No way that is ever getting fixed at all.

I know that professional schools are not a possibility for me at all and all I have known is the medical field in my college years as a pre-med. There was a lot of outside influence for me to go into medicine (mainly by family) but all these years I felt like maybe there is something else that might be my calling in life.
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You're right you're not going anywhere with that GPA. That 1.8 is more than "some" C's and D's. That's a lot of D's. At this point I wouldn't even recommend DO with grade replacement with it being that low, I don't think it's recoverable.

My suggestion? Work a little bit. Find something you enjoy. If you need a different degree to do it go get it. If you don't that's fine too.
 
Azete said:
I'm going to recommend something a little different, assuming you genuinely have a deep passion for pursuing medicine.

You say your GPA is not indicative of the type of student you are; if that's true then use the MCAT to prove it. Dedicate 4 entire months to the MCAT. Don't take any classes. Don't work a job. Eat ramen every day and live in your uncle's basement if you have to.

If you crush the MCAT (I mean literally nothing less than a 90th percentile score), then you might have a shot. You have a 4.0 in your final 3 semesters, so you're already working on an upward trend which is good. If you couple your MCAT with maybe 1 more semester of strategic retakes (all your D/F courses), I can say confidently that there are some DO schools that would at least grant you an interview.

If you can't bring yourself to score well on the MCAT, then unfortunately your GPA is exactly representative of the type of student you are. At that point you just need to own it, and pursue the 9-5 life (which I've lived, and it's really not so bad -- free time is a wonderful thing).
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I have to disagree. With a less than 3.0 GPA even with a killer MCAT and retakes I'm rather confident he won't get in.
 
samac said:
I have to disagree. With a less than 3.0 GPA even with a killer MCAT and retakes I'm rather confident he won't get in.
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Well there are 2 do schools in the nation with average stats of a 3.4/24 mcat so I'd OP put in serious work, he might be able to get in to those a few years down the road if he makes a total 180.

But I'm probably being over optimistic
 
Three semesters of acing after literally two UG degrees worth of coursework will require more than a rocking MCAT.

OP, I think that if you can pull off two more semesters of As, AND do well on MCAT, and make sure your GPA is what it's supposed ot be after grade replacement, then there are DO schools waiting for you. MD is not an option now.


To reiterate, retake any F/D/C science coursework.



Azete said:
I'm going to recommend something a little different, assuming you genuinely have a deep passion for pursuing medicine.

You say your GPA is not indicative of the type of student you are; if that's true then use the MCAT to prove it. Dedicate 4 entire months to the MCAT. Don't take any classes. Don't work a job. Eat ramen every day and live in your uncle's basement if you have to.

If you crush the MCAT (I mean literally nothing less than a 90th percentile score), then you might have a shot. You have a 4.0 in your final 3 semesters, so you're already working on an upward trend which is good. If you couple your MCAT with maybe 1 more semester of strategic retakes (all your D/F courses), I can say confidently that there are some DO schools that would at least grant you an interview.

If you can't bring yourself to score well on the MCAT, then unfortunately your GPA is exactly representative of the type of student you are. At that point you just need to own it, and pursue the 9-5 life (which I've lived, and it's really not so bad -- free time is a wonderful thing).
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Azete said:
Last year, there were 9 students that matriculated with a GPA less than 2.0. And a little over 100 less than 3.0. It happens.

http://www.aacom.org/docs/default-source/data-and-trends/2014_Mat.pdf?sfvrsn=12
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I'm sure those people have some deep donating pockets and/or an amazing life story.
Let's say 150 people who matriculated with less than a 3.0 out of 6,465 total.
That's ~3% of the total accepted.
Because of AACOMAS cutoffs we can approximate about 1800 people applied with stats below 3.0. ~8% of people with those stats get accepted. Less than a 10% chance is pretty minuscule.
So OP if you really want to be a physician retake your grades, get to at least a 3.0 with your retakes (remember they don't average, they replace for DO) and then apply.
If you're against DO then find another profession.
 
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