I thought UCSF screens, no MCAT yet, got a secondary from them!

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Anyone else in the same situtaion (took August test) and got UCSF secondary? I am confused...I was dead sure they 'screen' everyone with x-rays...or an equivalent of it..
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Screening doesn't have to be MCATs alone... they were impressed with your UC application. I've heard UCSF is supposed to really appreciate all the nontraditional qualities of an applicant, and they have spectacular students (my boyfriend's friend goes there, and she's pretty stellar - was an engineer for 1 year or two before going - she says there are people who have been to the Olympics and even one guy who is an ex-Navy Seal in her class! ) Getting a secondary - that's something to be proud of.
 
thanks for encouragement. I do have an unusual sort of background, but I was sure they would at least wait for the MCAT! The letter says that my application was selected for "further review". They are the only UC I have heard from. Oh well, too early to be happy. you know, they have a Miss California in their 2001 first year class. I went to undergrad in San Francisco and there have been people in my classes with the weirdest backgrounds who got in there or got an interview there. Some of them were flunking out of biochem and genetics right and left, I guess there is hope and numbers dont rule the world.
 
When I hear of UC and other Cali schools being so difficult to get into, I think of a silly psychic prediction I received a few months ago. Long story short, I needed a giggle on a bored Saturday afternoon. She was dead on about alot of things..but when I asked where I'd attend med school, she said "Ever think of California?" I wanted to laugh out of my chair. Me, a normal chic form the midwest attenting a CA school? LOL
When monkies fly out of bio profs ass.

Alicia
 
Sure you could - I guess it would be tough at a UC since they almost exclusively take in-state residents... but then there's USC/Keck, and of course Stanford and Loma Linda, though I'm from California and didn't apply to those two.
 
UCSF discrimates based on life experiences: You have to have a really impressive background to be considered. I submitted my application very earlier, and UCSF and UCI r the only schools that haven't sent me a secondary. UCI is slow so I'm not sweating it, but I can pretty much figure my fate at UCSF. I'm sorry but I'm didn't start my own multi-million dollar business or nor am I a gifted musician.

Personally, I dont give a **** if my doctor won a gold medal in the javalin or was a backup singer to Michael Jackson. I would prefer a doctor that is extremely dedicated to his profession and is compassionate. If he likes to watch T.V. or surf the net on his free time--all the power to him. I think UCSF is just a snobby school. UCSF reminds me of those snobby people in high school who only hung out with the "cool" crowd.
 
I agree with Bruin. I don't care if my doctor is a superstar with an amazing background - what matters is that he/she is a great doctor. What we have to realize, though, is that UCSF is a great school, and it can afford to pick people who are amazing AND will make good doctors...By the way, I'm not applying to any CA schools...
 
I agree with Bruin. I don't care if my doctor is a superstar with an amazing background - what matters is that he/she is a great doctor. What we have to realize, though, is that UCSF is a great school, and it can afford to pick people who are amazing AND will make good doctors...By the way, I'm not applying to any CA schools...
 
Hello!

I got the UCSF secondary too...infact its the only one I've got! I was very surprised myself..as my MCAT is not high at all, nor did I ever participate in the olympics! 🙂
Infact..I am not even verified (which does not mean anything to the UCs..They have their own apps!)

All I know is..this process is very very strange and you just never know what might happen! 😉
 
Can someone please post the UCSF secondary questions? Thank you and good luck.
 
there are no essay questions, if you got a waiver from AMCAS you have to write up two why you are considered disadvantaged, thats all. Just one yellow form of intent, very simple, but they want it ASAP. They were the only UC secondary I received with no MCAT> You guys are right, 'unusual' abilities have nothing to do with your virtues as a doctor, I guess every school has its "quarks", I think hopkins is sort of like that too. Oh well, its all random, who knows, and every year admissions are different. So give it a shot, good luck, thanks for your replies.
lady in red
 
i agree with you that i don't need my doctor to be in the olympics or some other profound life experience, they just need compassion and dedication. but as a school, how do you find those people in an avalanche of pretty generic applications? you find out by seeing how their dedication is to other things, life experiences. if an applicant had given up part of their life to pursue something others might not have tried, i think that constitutes a drive that would translate into medicine.
 
I still don't see why a person can't be amazing in those extraciricullars and STILL be compassionate?? Are throwing the javelin and being a good doctor mutually exclusive? No. --Trek
 
Originally posted by Trek_OCLV:
•I still don't see why a person can't be amazing in those extraciricullars and STILL be compassionate?? Are throwing the javelin and being a good doctor mutually exclusive? No. --Trek•

You're correct, they're not necessarily mutually exclusive. However, people assume that an intense drive in one field (javalin throwing)will translate into an intense drive in medicine. That's simply unfounded. Again, I rather have a compassionate doctor with a mind teeming with medical knowledge than a compassionate javalin thrower with less medical knowledge.
 
you guys are assuming that by your secondary applications that a school can find out exactly how good a doctor you will be. mcat scores, gpa, life experiences reveal little about your future success as a doctor. however, each is a way to screen how competitive a student will be. some schools focus more on mcat and feel that it's the best way to weed out people, others use life experiences. i don't care if my doctor got a 43 on the MCAT or worked with President Bush as an advisor, but med schools use these as their guidelines because each reveals something about their dedication and competitiveness.
 
Bruin- I still dont' get your argument. You're saying that you'd prefer a knowledgable doctor, but after the javelin thrower went to UCSF, wouldn't he be just that? Unless you're saying he's not as intelligent, but I don't think you are. In my opinion, the process is so convoluted with so many good applicants that splitting hairs comes down to who stands out the most. I dont like it as I was never any good at the javelin in high school, but that's the way it is. --Trek
 
My god, by reading your emails, you'd think we're all playing musical intstruments on the way to class, parading around in evening gowns or throwing sporting goods everywhere. I hate to break your "UCSF is elitist" bubble, but not everyone here was a former astronaut, had a bizillion dollar dot-com, or spent 10 years in the Peace corps while single-handedly curing a major disease or epidemic. In all, the students are really nice people who do not go flaunting any "unsusual abilities" they may have -- granted, they're all very smart, but you have to be "smart" to get into med school (usually) in the first place. I think the distinction you should realize with UCSF is that it likes people with EXPERIENCES - whatever they may be - that have made them unique individuals who have the capacity (with a little molding and education) to become exceptional physicians. My only "unique" attribute (I think) is that I was a health care consultant for a couple of years before coming to UCSF - I definitely have not been to the moon or won the U.S. Open. My MCATs were sub-par for UCSF and nationally for accepted students for that matter, I am not a minority, my GPA was high and I had done research. But, those "stats" mean nothing -- UCSF wants INDIVIDUALS as you all have noted strenously. Just keep in mind that an individual does not have to be an anomoly (e.g., an over-achieving superstar) in some specific facet of life to get in to UCSF. Good luck to all, and feel free to b_tch me out for defending my school and classmates. Take care,

-- Becky
 
BeckyG is absolutely correct about UCSF. Certainly, there are a lot of really amazing and talented people in our class, but at the same time you shouldn't think that you have to have done something so profound and unique to get in. The key to a successful application is to present yourself as a unique and motivated individual that can add to the character of the class and contribute something to the school. You should keep in mind also that the secondaries are not the end of the process, as you still have to interview well. Don't think that just because you didn't get a secondary yet means that you won't ever get one. Also, even if you don't, realize that it doesn't reflect who you are as a person. I wasn't accepted everywhere I applied, but was fortunate to be accepted at some schools. There is a lot of randomness to the whole process, so you should never set your sights on only one particular school.

Although a great health sciences campus and research university, UCSF is anything but an elitist place. It maintains strong ties to the community through many avenues, including running homeless clinics and blood banks, and by staffing SF General Hospital, which serves a large population of San Francisco's homeless and poor. In the week following the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington DC, many in my class mobilized immediately and started a blood drive and were involved in helping in other ways. Virtually all of my classmates are both down-to-earth and very motivated, and I have the highest respect for them.

If you have any questions about UCSF, please let me or BeckyG know and we'll try to answer (when we're not in anatomy or histology lab). 😀
 
hey vader what were your stats, and when did you get the secondary, interview last year? thanks...

UCSF is my first choice...but I dont know if they will take me 🙁
 
Wow, what a profound discussion! Thanks, UCSF students. You have a lot to be proud of in your school. I was a patient at UCSF medical center once and it was the best medical/hospital experience I ever had! Everybody was so nice, professional, very down-to-earth, not "stuck-up" or anything like it.
I actually did not intend it to be confrontational post like that, I only got a secondary, thats all, not like got I an interview from them! And if there are people without MCATs who got one too, could you please, share this with us/me?
 
Originally posted by WatchaMaCallit:
•hey vader what were your stats, and when did you get the secondary, interview last year? thanks...

UCSF is my first choice...but I dont know if they will take me 🙁

My stats: Human, Batting Average: .321, HRs: Not as many as BB, Favorite quote: "May the force be with you".

I believe I got the UCSF secondary in October and interviewed at the end of November. It's a rolling system and they are somewhat behind this year, so don't fret if you haven't heard anything yet. 😀
 
Hey Lady in Red,

I just found the posts really amusing (and off-base) and, thus, had to write a sarcastic reply. 😉

Glad to hear you got a secondary already - and without MCATs makes me think you have some of those great "experiences" and/or ways of expressing your maturity in thinking (thru your personal statement -- which UCSF relies heavily upon in decisions) that UCSF looks for. (NOTE: by maturity I only mean a mature, well thought out application.)

For reference, I talked with the admissions office a couple of weeks ago. They said they normally start interviewing at the end of Sept, but that this year they are "about a month behind." So, they will probably start in late October or early November. Once you submit a secondary, it takes a few weeks for you to get an interview invite (unless you're placed on "hold"). There are a couple of screenings between secondary and interview (not to scare you - that's just why it takes longer usually). Anyway, I completed my secondary at the beginning of Sept and interviewed Oct 4th (I think). However, it took a long time to hear back from them because UCSF sends out the first regular M.D. acceptances on Dec 15th (and then every 15th of the month thru April).

I hope this info is helpful. Best of luck to you and, as Vader mentioned, feel free to email us if you have questions. Take care,

Becky
 
Hi Becky
This is really helpful, thanks. I hope my MCAT does not kill it...I have a question for you: is it common for your 4th year students to go abroad for a clerkship, for about 4 months? I had sort of a friend/acquiantance last year who literlly disappeared in one of those "abroad clerkships", I am not sure what year he was, but I never seen him again!
 
Hi Lady in Red,

Unfortunately, I do not know much about 3rd and 4th year. I do know you have a lot of options and can spend time abroad, but anything specific I do not know. As Vader and I have our heads stuck in books or are in the lab all the time, we rarely think past the next exam! If I find anything specific out, I will let you know. Hope you enjoyed the beautiful weather in SF this weekend!

- Becky
 
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