ICU and OR Billing Question

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If I am an ICU attending taking care of a sick patient and I take them to the OR to do a case, can I bill for both "critical care time" in the ICU and ASA units associated with the OR case? I think the answer is no but I am not sure...
 
If I am an ICU attending taking care of a sick patient and I take them to the OR to do a case, can I bill for both "critical care time" in the ICU and ASA units associated with the OR case? I think the answer is no but I am not sure...
Disclaimer not an anesthesiologist but someone who teaches PA CCM billing.

My answer would be probably. Medicare separates out bundled and non-bundled services. You can bill for things that are not bundled into critical care as long as you don't count that time for critical care. For example if you put in an art line the time doesn't count for critical care time but you can bill the procedure separately. It would be a similar situation with surgery. If someone for example needed a port removed it could be done by a surgical critical care attending in the ICU and the procedure would be billed for. Critical care for that period would be billed for with a -25 modifier to identify it as separate and distinct critical care services (see here section K):
https://www.cms.gov/transmittals/downloads/R1530CP.pdf

Also consider this:
J. Critical Care Services and Other Procedures Provided on the Same Day by the Same Physician as Critical Care Codes 99291 – 99292
The following services when performed on the day a physician bills for critical care are included in the critical care service and should not be reported separately:
•The interpretation of cardiac output measurements (CPT 93561, 93562);
•Chest x-rays, professional component (CPT 71010, 71015, 71020);
•Blood draw for specimen (CPT 36415);
•Blood gases, and information data stored in computers (e.g., ECGs, blood pressures, hematologic data-CPT 99090);
•Gastric intubation (CPT 43752, 91105);
•Pulse oximetry (CPT 94760, 94761, 94762);
•Temporary transcutaneous pacing (CPT 92953);
•Ventilator management (CPT 94002 – 94004, 94660, 94662); and
•Vascular access procedures (CPT 36000, 36410, 36415, 36591, 36600);
No other procedure codes are bundled into the critical care services. Therefore, other medically necessary procedure codes may be billed separately.

Anesthesia just like intubation is not listed as a bundled service. I would think that its billable. You would probably need a -25 code for the CCM time in order bill separately. At least thats what our CCM anesthesiologists seem to do. Of course the cleanest way to do things is to make sure you are either anesthesia or CCM on a given day.
 
If I am an ICU attending taking care of a sick patient and I take them to the OR to do a case, can I bill for both "critical care time" in the ICU and ASA units associated with the OR case? I think the answer is no but I am not sure...

Why not? You are legitimately taking care of the patient in both places.
 
If I am an ICU attending taking care of a sick patient and I take them to the OR to do a case, can I bill for both "critical care time" in the ICU and ASA units associated with the OR case? I think the answer is no but I am not sure...

I don't know how CCM time is billed - but I would bet money you can't charge for both at the same time. If CCM management time is simply billed on a daily basis and not from a specific clock time then maybe you could.

But if you're talking about billing for actual CCM time, say from 8am-11am, and part of that time is in the OR from 9am-10am with the accompanying base time, modifiers, and time units that anesthesia entails, I would think not.
 
If I am an ICU attending taking care of a sick patient and I take them to the OR to do a case, can I bill for both "critical care time" in the ICU and ASA units associated with the OR case? I think the answer is no but I am not sure...

Yes. You have to add a 25 modifier to the E&M code.
 
I don't know how CCM time is billed - but I would bet money you can't charge for both at the same time. If CCM management time is simply billed on a daily basis and not from a specific clock time then maybe you could.

But if you're talking about billing for actual CCM time, say from 8am-11am, and part of that time is in the OR from 9am-10am with the accompanying base time, modifiers, and time units that anesthesia entails, I would think not.

In the units where I've rotated (academic SICUs), time was billed as an aggregate of time actually spent managing the patient, and usually on the order of 30-60 minutes per patient. Procedures are billed separately. The was no billing for "covering" the unit for a period of time (e.g., 7a-7p, etc.).
 
In the units where I've rotated (academic SICUs), time was billed as an aggregate of time actually spent managing the patient, and usually on the order of 30-60 minutes per patient. Procedures are billed separately. The was no billing for "covering" the unit for a period of time (e.g., 7a-7p, etc.).

And you can only bill critical care services, regardless of length, once per 24 hour period.
 
I don't know how CCM time is billed - but I would bet money you can't charge for both at the same time. If CCM management time is simply billed on a daily basis and not from a specific clock time then maybe you could.

But if you're talking about billing for actual CCM time, say from 8am-11am, and part of that time is in the OR from 9am-10am with the accompanying base time, modifiers, and time units that anesthesia entails, I would think not.
CCM time is time based but it doesn't have to be continuous. For CCM if you spend less than 30 minutes you bill E/M at the appropriate level. If you spend between 30 and 74 minutes of CCM time you bill CPT code 99291. For every 30 minutes or part of 30 minutes you would bill CPT code 99292. For example if you spend 74 minutes you bill 99291 but 75 minutes is 99292 105 minutes is another 99292 etc.

Take a more typical example of a pulmonologist running an ICU. They spend 40 minutes with a patient in respiratory distress stabilizing them and starting CPAP. They then go to the pulmonology lab and preform an outpatient bronchoscopy. They bill for the brochoscopy separately. While in the lab they receive a call from the nurse that the patient is hypotensive and they order a fluid bolus. This time does not count because the physician is off the unit. The physician returns to the unit and spends 20 minutes reviewing the patient record and discussing the patients condition with the patients family as the patient now has AMS. The physician then intubates the patient, places a central line and an arterial line taking 60 minutes. The physician then reviews lab and the patient data as well as the CXR starts the patient on pressors with titration orders and starts the patient on the sepsis protocol as well as documenting the patient encounter for another 45 minutes. Later on they receive a phone call at home that the patient continues to be hypotensive and order vasopressin started (not chargeable since the physician is not present in the unit)

This would be billed as follows
CCM time (40+20+45 =105 minutes) unbundled procedures are billed separately.
99291 74 minutes
99292 30 minutes
99292 1 minute
31500 Emergency endotracheal intubation
36556 Insertion non-tunneled centrally inserted venous catheter > 5 years
w/US 76937 US guide vascular access needle entry with record
36620 Arterial Cathererization/Cannulation monitoring percutaneous

The major difference with anesthesia is that there is a separate billing system for billing which uses a different time based notation. There is no reason that anesthesia couldn't bill for the anesthesia presumable using the -25. You would have to be careful to document where the anesthesia care stopped and started so you don't bill CCM time for time thats included in the anesthesia billing (patient recovery time for example). The only direct prohibition is that you can't bill Emergency medicine codes and CCM codes in the same day.
 
I have participated in something like the OP asked about. I was the resident on the ICU service and we had a pt. that was acutely delirious and we wanted to scan her head but she was agitated enough that she would not hold still for the scan. I accompanied her to the scanner and performed a general anesthetic for the scan. My attending (an anesthesia trained intensivist covering the ICU) had me chart it like a general anesthetic and we submitted for billing for a general anesthetic (with him as the anesthesia attending). He felt that it was okay as long as it did not overlap with rounds and ICU billing time (which it did not). Not sure if it is correct but he is very precise on billing and so I assumed that he knew what he was talking about.
 
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