Ideas for additional training/courses?

[shoomer]

Looking for ideas on additional training to get, if they provide real educational or monetary benefit. Entering my second year of CAP fellowship.

Planning on ADOS right now. Does anyone have any other ideas (ideally for brief courses)? Doesn’t have to be exclusive to children & adolescents, as I’ll be working with patients of all ages.

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[Sushirolls]

MRO

But if you are CAP, hard to beat that.

 

[littlefred]

ECT Course from Duke might be helpful.

 

[comp1]

Yeah, I guess if you got training in procedures you would make more money if you worked in a setting that did those procedures. But in general, you've maxed out training's value proposition through CAP.

 

[Stagg737]

ECT Course from Duke might be helpful.

I'll probably sign up for it this year for CME, but one of my colleagues was pretty underwhelmed by it. Agree ECT course is a good idea if not experienced with it though.

 

[calvnandhobbs68]

Looking for ideas on additional training to get, if they provide real educational or monetary benefit. Entering my second year of CAP fellowship.

Planning on ADOS right now. Does anyone have any other ideas (ideally for brief courses)? Doesn’t have to be exclusive to children & adolescents, as I’ll be working with patients of all ages.

I think doing an ADOS training course would be educational if you're doing it primarily for educational purposes and your program is paying for it with your educational stipend. It'll also be beneficial as you'll get a good sense from people who diagnose ASD regularly what ASD actually looks like if it's at a big program.

In real life, unless you work in a system that supports you taking the time to do ADOS or you're willing to take the loss financially from doing evals with an ADOS regularly along with paying WPS for all the materials, it's unlikely to be super helpful day to day. It's one of those things that you really should be doing regularly or not at all, in order to be reliable you can't just do it a handful of times a year or something. Just a thought I don't know what your overall goals were with the ADOS training.

 

[Sushirolls]

ASH
American Society of Hypnotherapy or its ASCH

 

[shoomer]

I think doing an ADOS training course would be educational if you're doing it primarily for educational purposes and your program is paying for it with your educational stipend. It'll also be beneficial as you'll get a good sense from people who diagnose ASD regularly what ASD actually looks like if it's at a big program.

In real life, unless you work in a system that supports you taking the time to do ADOS or you're willing to take the loss financially from doing evals with an ADOS regularly along with paying WPS for all the materials, it's unlikely to be super helpful day to day. It's one of those things that you really should be doing regularly or not at all, in order to be reliable you can't just do it a handful of times a year or something. Just a thought I don't know what your overall goals were with the ADOS training.

The ADOS would be something I do completely on my own. I don't mind paying out of pocket for it, but your point is well taken. If I was to set up my own practice, is having that training and perhaps setting aside some time to do them routinely worth it?

 

[TexasPhysician]

The ADOS would be something I do completely on my own. I don't mind paying out of pocket for it, but your point is well taken. If I was to set up my own practice, is having that training and perhaps setting aside some time to do them routinely worth it?

No

 

[brazilianpsych]

Jumping on that question, I have heard of psychologists charging a lot of money for autism diagnosis test, like 2k or similar. Wouldn't a psychiatrist be able to do that and charge that as well with that training?

 

[TexasPhysician]

Jumping on that question, I have heard of psychologists charging a lot of money for autism diagnosis test, like 2k or similar. Wouldn't a psychiatrist be able to do that and charge that as well with that training?

The psychologists and developmental peds by me will charge cash $2k. The eval is then 3-6 hours long. Then they write a 6-8 page report on the patient. 1 patient per day. Pass.

 

[calvnandhobbs68]

The psychologists and developmental peds by me will charge cash $2k. The eval is then 3-6 hours long. Then they write a 6-8 page report on the patient. 1 patient per day. Pass.

Right OP that's what I meant in that it's pretty much a money loser in most places. On an hourly basis, you can make quite a bit more just seeing followups.

With a lot of marketing yourself as a "autism specialist" or something and charging cash only you might financially break even but ASD evals are usually incorporated into neuropsych evals on the pediatric side and consist of several sessions with multiple standardized psychological/intelligence/academic achievement tests to help rule out other comorbidities or learning disorders and identify functional impairment. I mean technically the recommendation is for a multidisciplinary team to do the evals but that usually only happens in big academic centers. You have to pay for all the materials from WPS for the ADOS kit which is like 3K and then the ongoing scoring materials.

Neuropsych evals for kids are also covered by private insurance for the most part, esp if there's a question of ASD, so it can be difficult to get a significant amount of people to pay OOP for them depending on the market. Different than in adults where they're almost never covered but then now you're in the "get an autism diagnosis as an adult" market which is it's own problem....and one I'm happy to not be involved in. Insurance rates are going to be quite a bit lower than cash rates.

 

[comp1]

It's not a money loser for psychologists. Leave the testing to them in general, outside of a very few niche forensic exams.

 

[Psychferlyfe3000]

MRO

But if you are CAP, hard to beat that.

Who actually hires MROs? I just searched online because I was curious and couldn't find any job postings for an MRO.

 

[Sushirolls]

Typically Occ Med or lesser so Addictions are MRO.
Even less so Family Medicine.
Many do it just for the CME of things.

Takes a bit of building and staff infrastructure to have it be a part of a practice, especially if offering 24/7 testing for industrial mishaps.