If....(a flame starting thread)

[Gramsci]

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If DO schools accept people with lower GPA's and lower MCAT's, what does that say about DO's? Are they not of lower intelligence or at least less dilligent in their studies?

Would you go to a DO?

 

[bella_dottoressa]

oh for gods sake.

yes i would go to a DO. you'd be stupid not to. people at DO schools endure the exact same curriculum and take licensing exams just as people at MD schools.

why ask such a ridiculous question?

 

[Gramsci]

Originally posted by bella_dottoressa
oh for gods sake.

yes i would go to a DO. you'd be stupid not to. people at DO schools endure the exact same curriculum and take licensing exams just as people at MD schools.

why ask such a ridiculous question?

It wouldnt bother you in the slightest that your doctor was a underachiever in undergraduate school or possibly not too intelligent?

 

[premed]

They may be of lower intelligence and they probably WERE less diligent. But that's not to say that DO students don't make better physicians than MD students.

It seems to me that every academic point in life is determined by how well you do before. For example, top high school students go to top undergraduate programs. Top undergrads go to top medical schools. Top medical students go to top residencies, etc... However, do you notice that the high school valedictorian doesn't always do well as an undergrad or the best medical student may be a horrible resident? Just a thought...

The original Premed! 🙂

 

[Gramsci]

Originally posted by premed
They may be of lower intelligence and they probably WERE less diligent. But that's not to say that DO students don't make better physicians than MD students.

I suppose that is why most end up as fp's.

 

[Chrisobean]

Originally posted by Gramsci
It wouldnt bother you in the slightest that your doctor was a underachiever in undergraduate school or possibly not too intelligent?

are you serious???
DO schools do not scrape the bottom of the barrel and turn them into doctors... maybe they care a little bit more about the person applying than just the combination of their gpa and mcat, and doesnt that go along with the DO philosophy anyway?

and even though my gpa and mcat may be slightly lower than yours, i am still smarter than you.

 

[beatla19]

I couldn't care less if my doctor had a 3.3 or a 3.5 in undergrad. I don't care if he had a 27 MCAT, or a 30. What I do care about is whether he's dedicated to helping people. Bottom line.

 

[jlee9531]

Originally posted by beatla19
I couldn't care less if my doctor had a 3.3 or a 3.5 in undergrad. I don't care if he had a 27 MCAT, or a 30. What I do care about is whether he's dedicated to helping people. Bottom line.

thank you.

cause in the end what this society needs are people like that.

 

[Gramsci]

Yes, yes I know what I am saying is unpopular but I am certain almost all of you secretly think the same thing. Its become so chic to praise alternative treatments forms and discourage hardwork...

 

[Gramsci]

Originally posted by beatla19
I couldn't care less if my doctor had a 3.3 or a 3.5 in undergrad. I don't care if he had a 27 MCAT, or a 30. What I do care about is whether he's dedicated to helping people. Bottom line.

Well apparently he wasnt dedicated enough to study hard enough to get a respectable score on the MCAT, why should I think he suddenly changed in medical school. We have all heard of the DO+5 degree afterall.

 

[NE_Cornhusker1]

Originally posted by Gramsci
If DO schools accept people with lower GPA's and lower MCAT's, what does that say about DO's? Are they not of lower intelligence or at least less dilligent in their studies?

Would you go to a DO?

they don't take a$$holes like you with 3.9 gpas, 42t mcat scores, and the condescending attitude to match.

 

[fastball911]

Originally posted by Gramsci
Its become so chic to praise alternative treatments forms and discourage hardwork...

What a crap load! I didn't apply to any DO schools because of the stigma associated with them. But that is the only reason, and that is all it is, a stigma, not a lack in education. And what is so alternative about a DO school? They don't stick voodoo dolls with pins you know!!! They just teach a more holistic approach with practically the same curriculum.
And yes I would rather have a doctor with slightly lower scores (who keep in mind still passed the same tests as an MD) than a tool like you!

 

[bella_dottoressa]

Yes, yes I know what I am saying is unpopular but I am certain almost all of you secretly think the same thing. Its become so chic to praise alternative treatments forms and discourage hardwork...

And that's where you're dead wrong. Most of us aren't so ignorant. The things you're saying are so silly. Do you just like riling up the pre-allos or what? 🙂

 

[stomper627]

Originally posted by Gramsci
It wouldnt bother you in the slightest that your doctor was a underachiever in undergraduate school or possibly not too intelligent?

Why is it that only premeds care about that 0.2 GPA difference? Or that 3pts on the MCAT? boy that makes someone smarter. And that surely makes a difference when getting an H&P, and even when discussing a patient with your attending (who might be either a DO or an MD).
Me, well, Ill be a DO, and its not for a lack of intelligence....IQ 142. Me....I had a lot of fun in undergrad....possibly too much fun. The ole frat dick. And I paid for it with my GPA.
But not to worry, I still got in to med school. Yes, a DO school, and as I start pondering my residency options (Ill have to start applying soon), knowing it may be easier for me to get that ortho spot as I am the stereotypical ortho guy....muscle bound, football/wrestler, former athlete. Now this may not be up to some standards if I only get an AOA residency, but I will be an orthopod, and you can wallow in your own shallow life working as a lab tech, because you couldnt get into school, and wouldnt "sink" to becoming a DO.
Enjoy.
stomper

 

[Gramsci]

Originally posted by stomper627
and you can wallow in your own shallow life working as a lab tech, because you couldnt get into school, and wouldnt "sink" to becoming a DO.
Enjoy.
stomper

Good sir, I am ivy educated with one of the finest medical degrees in this country.

 

[Optimist]

Originally posted by stomper627
Why is it that only premeds care about that 0.2 GPA difference? Or that 3pts on the MCAT? boy that makes someone smarter.

Because only premeds have to go through this wretched application process where a 0.2 GPA and 3 points on the MCAT can make all the difference in the world.

 

[Chrisobean]

Originally posted by Gramsci
Good sir, I am ivy educated with one of the finest medical degrees in this country.

so why the hell are you posting on pre-allo looking to piss people off? are you looking for some kind of validation of your fantastic and priviledged life? because really, we are sooooo impressed!

 

[Nvr Ending Jrny]

i completely agree with premed's comment about "It seems to me that every academic point in life is determined by how well you do before."

Just cause you did well in high school doesn't mean you will do well in college, but it probably does mean you will do "fairly well". The difference when it comes to med school is that med schools are not picking out of a barrell of millions of high school students. they are looking for about a hundred or so brilliant and unique individuals. No matter what if you get into a DO or MD school you are intelligent and dilligent to some extent. Even if DO schools are easier to get into when it comes to GPA and MCAT they also look at your experiences and those carry a lot of weight for them. you can be brilliant in more then one way. no one that becomes a doctor is anything less than intelligent.

 

[Gleevec]

Haven't you guys heard the saying, "Don't Feed the Trolls?"

I think gramsci should ask every doctor he visits in the form of a patient for his CV. Let's see how many times the doctor misses the vein or the lumbar puncture then (regardless of what their stats might be, I'm sure ALL doctors would take offense to such a probe).

So good luck with that... nothing wrong with family practice either, in fact there is a shortage of FPers.

 

[fierce tiger]

I was going to apply to both MD and DO schools, but then I applied for an early matriculation program and got accepted. I will be attending a DO school and don't think that my education will be less than a MD's. Although there is prejudice against osteopathic doctors, I will enter med school a year early and I don't have to spend the last 18 months of my college worrying about taking the mcats and getting into med school. Easy choice, I'll deal with all of the ignorant opinions about DOs.

 

[stomper627]

Yes, I bet....
Lets examine the situation.....
You are anonymous.....on a "student doctor" message board....hanging out in the "premed" section....starting flame wars....sounds like youve put that good ole "ivy" education to use.
I, myself, am very proud of your fine mature attitude. You have done a tremendous job promoting that "ivy" education.

 

[DORoe]

Yes i would go to a DO and in fact i do go to a DO i go to DO's for primary care, IM, and when i needed orthopedic surgery it was a DO who performed my operation. I have gotten incredibly good care from them and as a result have decided to go DO myself.

In the end we are all on the same team. Yes SOME DO's don't have the stats that you might or might not have at your undergraduate institution but that by no means signifies things to come. Let's face it some of us are just too immature right out of high school and that could affect our grades and DO schools look at that as well as other factors when determining who to admit. Im not going to get in an argument with you about it but i hope that you will mature a little and realize that grades are not the end all be all of who you are.

 

[Chrisobean]

and you know what, it seems that the most DO prejudice comes from some pre-MDs.... the ones who brag about their ivy league education and their fabulous medical degree.
real doctors dont have time for this petty-ness.

 

[Gleevec]

Originally posted by stomper627
Yes, I bet....
Lets examine the situation.....
You are anonymous.....on a "student doctor" message board....hanging out in the "premed" section....starting flame wars....sounds like youve put that good ole "ivy" education to use.
I, myself, am very proud of your fine mature attitude. You have done a tremendous job promoting that "ivy" education.

LOL

 

[juddson]

Originally posted by Chrisobean
and you know what, it seems that the most DO prejudice comes from some pre-MDs.... the ones who brag about their ivy league education and their fabulous medical degree.
real doctors dont have time for this petty-ness.

If only this were true. The prejudice is still very much in force, just more tactful.

Judd

 

[drlexygoat]

Originally posted by Gramsci
Good sir, I am ivy educated with one of the finest medical degrees in this country.

Take your degree and shove it. It's pretty apparent you're ignorant of the medical field today, with MDs and DOs working side by side. Guess you didn't learn THAT in your premed courses.

Stop trolling for repsonses. There's better things to talk about.

 

[CanIBeMe??]

Originally posted by Gramsci
Good sir, I am ivy educated with one of the finest medical degrees in this country.

Oooh....why am I such a sucker and responding.... 😕 😕 😕

Hey now....don't act like an Ivy education is a guarantee that you are one of the smartest and bestest peoples out there!! Let me tell you I've come across some "ivy" educated people out there who surely could use some more edumacation.

And I am glad you have one of the finest medical degrees out there......but what counts is your medical education.

And finally....when will people realize that numbers do not always reflect a persons knowledge but rather their test taking skillz?? I have worked with many MDs and DOs that will tell you there are plenty out there that have the knowledge but not the capability to adequately reflect it in a written test situation. Test taking is a skill.....some have it.....some don't....but it is not the only determinant of a good physician.

hmmm.....bestest.....I like that word!!!

 

[TheFlash]

Jesus H., I swear that there's one guy out there who just creates new user names and comes back to repeatedly troll on sdn. I hope your ego is being stroked, you conniving arse, because if I ever catch on to who you are....

tf

 

[Adapt]

Originally posted by Gramsci
If DO schools accept people with lower GPA's and lower MCAT's, what does that say about DO's? Are they not of lower intelligence or at least less dilligent in their studies?

Would you go to a DO?

Yes I would pick a certain DO school over some lower tier MD schools. I could care less about the letters behind my name, and care more about the priorities in my life.

Having been accepted to both types of schools, I don't think I'm of lower intelligence or not as hard a worker. I also think that many people do choose DO over MD, more so than you think.

 

[stomper627]

Originally posted by juddson
If only this were true. The prejudice is still very much in force, just more tactful.

Judd

It is there....I wont lie to you. But I would not classify it as "very much". I have run into this situation only twice since being on rotations. Once with an allopathic student...who always froze when an attending asked him a question. And the other time has been by a Canadian surgeon. He was from there, trained there, but now works in the US. Because he had nothing to do with my grading (he just happened to mention that I was a DO student while seeing me in the elevator, and commented on that issue about DOs....but I was warned about him by the residents), so I politely asked him if he was so superior why did he not stay in his native country, and live there where he doesnt have to work side by side with DOs. He was speechless....and never spoke to me again when I saw him in the hall or elevator.
stomper

 

[Kashue]

These threads are pointless and are basically my **** is bigger then your **** in disguise. If it's not an argument of MD vs DO, it's going to be my school is better then your school.

btw, 11"

 

[stomper627]

Originally posted by Kashue

btw, 11"

 

[Gramsci]

Man, you guys are suckers. As long as there are people like you to feed us, we will never die.

 

[stomper627]

Originally posted by Gramsci
Man, you guys are suckers. As long as there are people like you to feed us, we will never die.

Man, have I been shown up. I guess my state education was no match for the "ivy" education. I should have known. Let me just back away with my tail between my legs.

You are perhaps the worst troll Ive seen on here. You cant get people that riled, and have the most amazing comebacks. Is that from that great "Ivy" institute you attended?
stomper

 

[drlexygoat]

He obviously was not a smart troll - be blew his cover too early.

Rookie.

 

[crazy250]

i think it's squat n' squeeze, part II.

 

[stomper627]

Yeah,
Im rather disappointed. I enjoy feeding a few trolls now and then to see exactly how intelligent they are. Most cant handle it if you throw some back at them. They snap, and show their cards. This troll doesnt even deserve the name of "troll"...
can someone think of something else?
I dont think its S&S....he was smarter.
stomper

 

[Neuronix]

There's no reason to keep the MD vs DO thing going, especially with such an obvious troll for a first post. All that will (and has) come out of this is a flame war and because of that I'm closing this thread.