If a school feels that you lied, can they report it to AMCAS?

[jetman123]

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This might seem a little paranoid, but it's in reference to something I THOUGHT I saw on an SDN thread a longg while back (this is actually my first post though).

It's actually in reference to a predicament a friend of mine is in, not me. He wanted me to ask for him lol.

If a school feels that you lied on the application or the interview (even if you didn't think you lied, I mean it's their opinion that counts, no opportunity for defense of a complicated scenario), can they report this "investigation" to AMCAS? And then tell AMCAS to tell your other schools. This would seem illegal, like a sort of collusion issue, but I thought I saw someone mention this on here.

Obviously, if they feel that you lied, you are getting rejected, or worse yet rescinded after being accepted (though this is rarer).

Once March rolls around, and they have the list of schools you are accepted to... they can't tell other schools stuff about you, can they? Again, that wouldn't make sense, but I figured I'd ask it anyway.

 

[equinsu ocha]

They can report it to AMCAS, they can tell other schools about it, but who knows if they will. You don't think adcoms are various schools know each other? Especially same state schools. Tell your "friend" to quit being dishonest, the world doesn't need physicians like that.

 

[AllDaWEI]

Yeah this can have serious repurcussions. Better not to lie, because your friend can be blacklisted from US schools!

Also there is a difference between outright lying and "bending the truth."

 

[dmf2682]

Yeah this can have serious repurcussions. Better not to lie, because your friend can be blacklisted from US schools!

Also there is a difference between outright lying and "bending the truth."

This truth bending is how you got into medical school without volunteering isn't it.

 

[AllDaWEI]

This truth bending is how you got into medical school without volunteering isn't it.

That's what I am thinking OP is talking about. GPA and MCAT are verified. If this is about not mentioning a past school (failed to mention), acadmic dishonesty, or sometying similar, it would be found out.

 

[Finches]

This might seem a little paranoid, but it's in reference to something I THOUGHT I saw on an SDN thread a longg while back (this is actually my first post though).

It's actually in reference to a predicament a friend of mine is in, not me. He wanted me to ask for him lol.

If a school feels that you lied on the application or the interview (even if you didn't think you lied, I mean it's their opinion that counts, no opportunity for defense of a complicated scenario), can they report this "investigation" to AMCAS? And then tell AMCAS to tell your other schools. This would seem illegal, like a sort of collusion issue, but I thought I saw someone mention this on here.

Obviously, if they feel that you lied, you are getting rejected, or worse yet rescinded after being accepted (though this is rarer).

Once March rolls around, and they have the list of schools you are accepted to... they can't tell other schools stuff about you, can they? Again, that wouldn't make sense, but I figured I'd ask it anyway.

Without an elaboration of this complicated scenario, any input has little value.

By the way, how can you exactly say, "I don't think that I lied?" You either did or didn't.

 

[AllDaWEI]

Without an elaboration of this complicated scenario, any input has little value.

By the way, how can you exactly say, "I don't think that I lied?" You either did or didn't.

I think the OP maybe refering to the gray area of "lying." It is not an outright lie but ethics behind it are debatable.

 

[tantacles]

Tell your friend to grow a pair. He omits truth on his app and then has you ask about the ramifications here on his behalf? He should be worried.

I'm actually just shocked that he wouldn't just make an anonymous profile. Had I lied on my application, I wouldn't have told a soul unless I was completely anonymous.

 

[calvnandhobbs68]

Tell your friend to grow a pair. He omits truth on his app and then has you ask about the ramifications here on his behalf? He should be worried.

His FRIEND rightttt 😉

 

[kpcrew]

not sure why your friend is unable to create an anonymous account and post on a pseudonym that is unlikely to be tracked.

 

[BurntFlower]

This might seem a little paranoid, but it's in reference to something I THOUGHT I saw on an SDN thread a longg while back (this is actually my first post though).

It's actually in reference to a predicament a friend of mine is in, not me. He wanted me to ask for him lol.

If a school feels that you lied on the application or the interview (even if you didn't think you lied, I mean it's their opinion that counts, no opportunity for defense of a complicated scenario), can they report this "investigation" to AMCAS? And then tell AMCAS to tell your other schools. This would seem illegal, like a sort of collusion issue, but I thought I saw someone mention this on here.

Obviously, if they feel that you lied, you are getting rejected, or worse yet rescinded after being accepted (though this is rarer).

Once March rolls around, and they have the list of schools you are accepted to... they can't tell other schools stuff about you, can they? Again, that wouldn't make sense, but I figured I'd ask it anyway.

We can't really offer advice if you're so vague about what your friend said on his app.

 

[dreamweaver1988]

This might seem a little paranoid, but it's in reference to something I THOUGHT I saw on an SDN thread a longg while back (this is actually my first post though).

It's actually in reference to a predicament a friend of mine is in, not me. He wanted me to ask for him lol.

If a school feels that you lied on the application or the interview (even if you didn't think you lied, I mean it's their opinion that counts, no opportunity for defense of a complicated scenario), can they report this "investigation" to AMCAS? And then tell AMCAS to tell your other schools. This would seem illegal, like a sort of collusion issue, but I thought I saw someone mention this on here.

Obviously, if they feel that you lied, you are getting rejected, or worse yet rescinded after being accepted (though this is rarer).

Once March rolls around, and they have the list of schools you are accepted to... they can't tell other schools stuff about you, can they? Again, that wouldn't make sense, but I figured I'd ask it anyway.

No, don't worry about it. If they have concerns, yo uwon't be blacklisted immediately. I'm guessing they would call and verify what you put on the app (for example, they might call the clinic where you "volunteered" and make sure someone recognizes your name). Or maybe AMCAS would do it. But just suspicion isn't going to screw you over royally unless something turns up.

 

[AllDaWEI]

It's not uncommon for people to embellish or even fake parts of the application. I wonder what makes your friend so uneasy thinking that school is already suspicious?

 

[jetman123]

We can't really offer advice if you're so vague about what your friend said on his app.

It was.. a volunteer activity that he had done, said in the interview he was going to continue to do, but now isn't doing anymore. Obviously, volunteer activities are rarely checked, but this could seem like a lie... Hours were embellished slightly but not significantly... Is this something he could get blacklisted for? Or is blacklisting more related to lying about what undergrad college u went to. And he's post interview waiting for a decision .

 

[typicalindian]

Something tell me if you put that you spent 97633 hours volunteering in Africa throughout your sophomore year of college they'll know...

 

[ReptarBar]

It was.. a volunteer activity that he had done, said in the interview he was going to continue to do, but now isn't doing anymore. Obviously, volunteer activities are rarely checked, but this could seem like a lie... Hours were embellished slightly but not significantly... Is this something he could get blacklisted for? Or is blacklisting more related to lying about what undergrad college u went to. And he's post interview waiting for a decision .

he would not get in trouble, and he is kind of a little girl. first of all, you cannot get in trouble for not doing future events. second, embellishing is impossible to check...you can only really confirm if he did the activity or not.

 

[AllDaWEI]

he would not get in trouble, and he is kind of a little girl. first of all, you cannot get in trouble for not doing future events. second, embellishing is impossible to check...you can only really confirm if he did the activity or not.

Yeah I do not think he would get in trouble because he make empty promise. I think just about every applicant being interviewed will tell interviewers they will continue to volunteer after acceptance. But then many of them end up quitting immediately once accepted. I think both the ADCOM and applicant know this, but do not say anything. I don't think anyonr goes into interview and actually says they will quit. Happens all the time, nothing close to deal breaker.

 

[notbobtrustme]

It's not about feeling but about proof. I feel like everyone lies on this site but I have no proof. See the difference?

 

[tantacles]

It's not about feeling but about proof. I feel like everyone lies on this site but I have no proof. See the difference?

 

[Stumpyman]

I doubt that volunteering for 100 hours but reporting 150 is going to be something adcoms will (even have the time or patience to) look into. If they do, I'd still imagine it would just be a plain rejection instead of sending it to every other school in the nation.

But not reporting your GPA correctly and other things of that manner will likely have more serious consequences.

 

[jetman123]

I doubt that volunteering for 100 hours but reporting 150 is going to be something adcoms will (even have the time or patience to) look into. If they do, I'd still imagine it would just be a plain rejection instead of sending it to every other school in the nation.

But not reporting your GPA correctly and other things of that manner will likely have more serious consequences.

I'm not gonna say "this is the answer i was looking for", since that makes the thread look useless, lol, but this is what I would have guessed before i created the thread.

thanks for the input guys.

 

[Stumpyman]

I'm not gonna say "this is the answer i was looking for", since that makes the thread look useless, lol, but this is what I would have guessed before i created the thread.

thanks for the input guys.

I hope I didn't encourage you (or your friend) to lie. There will always be consequences, and even if an adcom doesn't see the lie, maybe another one will (most people apply to 12+ schools). It's a huge risk. It's best to tell the truth.

 

[jetman123]

I hope I didn't encourage you (or your friend) to lie. There will always be consequences, and even if an adcom doesn't see the lie, maybe another one will (most people apply to 12+ schools). It's a huge risk. It's best to tell the truth.

no no no i totally see what you are saying.

i mean, it wouldn't be fair to say "you WILL be caught", but yea for every school you are active for... just increases the chances of getting caught. its NOT a risk worth the while, that's for sure, and lying on an interview isn't the right thing to do ethically, either.

 

[Tin Man]

I have always wondered about these pre-meds that have these "friends" for whom they post incriminating questions. We all know they're lying. Pre-meds don't have friends.

As far as the "lying" goes, my rule of thumb is as follows:

If you worded it in such a way that is designed to give the adcom a picture that, upon closer investigation, would be found to be incorrect, then you lied. It doesn't matter how "big" of a lie it is.

The point of the application is to show the adcom who you are. They are building a picture of you. If you're trying to manipulate that picture by creating a fictional portrait of yourself, whether that's by saying things that aren't true, omitting important information, or simply exaggerating something slightly, then it gets bad if you're caught.

After all, lying on your application is bascially an admission that YOU didn't think you were a good enough candidate. Why in the hell should they think you're a good candidate when even you thought the only way to make yourself look good was to fudge a number?

 

[FrkyBgStok]

It was.. a volunteer activity that he had done, said in the interview he was going to continue to do, but now isn't doing anymore. Obviously, volunteer activities are rarely checked, but this could seem like a lie... Hours were embellished slightly but not significantly... Is this something he could get blacklisted for? Or is blacklisting more related to lying about what undergrad college u went to. And he's post interview waiting for a decision .

i think it is paranoia. I had shadowing and my interviewer asked me if I was planning on continuing. I said yes I planned to. Got accepted. I haven't done anymore shadowing. Not much volunteering. I also quit the clinical job I had. I am not worried about it at all. It isn't that I don't care I got in, it is more that it isn't a huge priority to me anymore so I have been working on my house, spending time with my family, etc.

Embellishing hours is very common i imagine. 48 hours rounding to 50 hours. happens all of the time. But 50 hours rounding to 100 hours is a little different. I don't think this would warrant a blacklist.

However if he doesn't have an acceptance, he should have continued everything on the chance that he had to reapply.

 

[chiapet874]

i think it is paranoia. I had shadowing and my interviewer asked me if I was planning on continuing. I said yes I planned to. Got accepted. I haven't done anymore shadowing. Not much volunteering. I also quit the clinical job I had. I am not worried about it at all. It isn't that I don't care I got in, it is more that it isn't a huge priority to me anymore so I have been working on my house, spending time with my family, etc.

Embellishing hours is very common i imagine. 48 hours rounding to 50 hours. happens all of the time. But 50 hours rounding to 100 hours is a little different. I don't think this would warrant a blacklist.

However if he doesn't have an acceptance, he should have continued everything on the chance that he had to reapply.

Even 50 -> 100 is minor. It depends how long you've worked in a given location. 50 hour difference for an activity done over the course of a few years is nothing; 50 hours off for a month long activity is different.

 

[bassvp]

Even 50 -> 100 is minor. It depends how long you've worked in a given location. 50 hour difference for an activity done over the course of a few years is nothing; 50 hours off for a month long activity is different.

Doubling the hours you were involved in an activity is nothing? Shall we double our MCATs?

 

[chiapet874]

Doubling the hours you were involved in an activity is nothing? Shall we double our MCATs?

Did you just compare volunteer hour embellishment to doubling your reported MCAT score? That's a meaningless example that is not even within the realm of similarity.

And the original post did NOT imply a straight doubling of hours, the original point suggested that 50 hours was a large amount to round off. 50 hours addition is not a lot if you already have accumulated ex. 400 hours overs the course of several years- it can easily be considered as a honest mistake. Many volunteer places don't record hours- so you simply guesstimate. It is a lot if you've only done 50 in the course of a month.

It's all relative.

 

[Tin Man]

Doubling the hours you were involved in an activity is nothing? Shall we double our MCATs?

Yeah, that's a weird comparison.

IN THEORY, the higher the MCAT score, the more knowledgeable about the tested material. In reality, we know that anything about a 34 is pretty much luck, but the concept is what matters.

When it comes to volunteering, though, quantity doesn't equal quality. The objective of volunteering is to prove that you're interested in serving the public. The difference between 50 and 100 hours isn't really relevent, since the point has been made.

The ONLY exception, I would argue, is if the volunteering has been ongoing since before college. That shows a dedication to service that stands before the pre-medicine game, and would tend to stand out.

 

[notbobtrustme]

Doubling the hours you were involved in an activity is nothing? Shall we double our MCATs?

Feel free to double your MCAT. Just know that your MCAT is independently verified unlike volunteering. The sheer volume of applicants makes fact-checking unfeasible. Even checking only those invited to an interview would be a significant challenge.

 

[AllDaWEI]

i think it is paranoia. I had shadowing and my interviewer asked me if I was planning on continuing. I said yes I planned to. Got accepted. I haven't done anymore shadowing. Not much volunteering. I also quit the clinical job I had. I am not worried about it at all. It isn't that I don't care I got in, it is more that it isn't a huge priority to me anymore so I have been working on my house, spending time with my family, etc.

Embellishing hours is very common i imagine. 48 hours rounding to 50 hours. happens all of the time. But 50 hours rounding to 100 hours is a little different. I don't think this would warrant a blacklist.

However if he doesn't have an acceptance, he should have continued everything on the chance that he had to reapply.

I imagine this is the norm for most people who only did the ECs because of pre-med games? Is it possible to actually be completely honest about quitting (or not enjoying them) with the interviewers and still be accepted? 😕

 

[DavetheMD]

It's actually in reference to a predicament a friend of mine is in, not me. He wanted me to ask for him lol.

Mmm hmm. It always is for a "friend".