If I could go back, I would not choose pre-pharmacy (rant)

[jackal head]

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I don't feel like typing much so I'll just get to the point.

If I knew about the current surplus due to all the new schools opening and how I'm going to have to look really hard to find a job (moving to crappy places, crappy schedules, crappy pay, only to pay off 200k debt), I would have done something else.

Even still it's tempting to stop now but this is my 3rd year in pre-pharm, 3.8 gpa, 80 pcat, I've kept my entire focus for the last 3 years on getting into pharmacy and even though the profession looks like it's going into the ****ter, I can't change course now.

I'll be turning 21 in march and I can already feel the mental inflexibility that comes with age.

Discuss.

 

[pharmD eighty7]

I don't feel like typing much so I'll just get to the point.

If I knew about the current surplus due to all the new schools opening and how I'm going to have to look really hard to find a job (moving to crappy places, crappy schedules, crappy pay, only to pay off 200k debt), I would have done something else.

Even still it's tempting to stop now but this is my 3rd year in pre-pharm, 3.8 gpa, 80 pcat, I've kept my entire focus for the last 3 years on getting into pharmacy and even though the profession looks like it's going into the ****ter, I can't change course now.

I'll be turning 21 in march and I can already feel the mental inflexibility that comes with age.

Discuss.

 

[Tatodotcom]

Oh please... You mean you're actually going to have to work hard to find a good job instead of just graduating and having a pulse?? Do us all a favor and leave right now if that is what you really feel.




Like the poster above said:

 

[Passion4Sci]

ROFL, the mental INFLEXIBILITY? I am far more mentally flexible now at 27 than I ever was at 18.

Puh-lease.

EVERY job sector has this problem, except a few, perhaps Petroleum Engineering is more your speed.

 

[kmoogs]

I don't feel like typing much so I'll just get to the point.

If I knew about the current surplus due to all the new schools opening and how I'm going to have to look really hard to find a job (moving to crappy places, crappy schedules, crappy pay, only to pay off 200k debt), I would have done something else.

Even still it's tempting to stop now but this is my 3rd year in pre-pharm, 3.8 gpa, 80 pcat, I've kept my entire focus for the last 3 years on getting into pharmacy and even though the profession looks like it's going into the ****ter, I can't change course now.

I'll be turning 21 in march and I can already feel the mental inflexibility that comes with age.

Discuss.

Uhhh.... go graduate with a degree and try to find another job. I completed all but the humanities pre-pharm requirements without even considering Pharmacy as a career when I was completing my degree requirements as an undergrad

It's not too late and 21 is freaking young. Mental inflexibility my butt. If that were the case, many on this forum would be mentally as stiff as a rock (see age poll for 27+ users)... which clearly is NOT the case...

 

[phathead]

Ahahahahahaha what a f'n baby.

If you knew anything about pharmacy you'd know everything will be just fine.

Glad to know I won't have to call you my peer!

 

[WhiteSnows]

I am glad you are finally realizing it jackal head. Just quit and do medical school it is not too late.

 

[jackal head]

Most* of you are well of aware of the upcoming circumstances.

I guess my situation is a bit more complicated with being an international. I was hoping that difference would be minimized once I got into pharm school but I guess it will always prevail.

I could see myself doing medicine but it's not practically possible. Doing anything less demanding than a pharmD defeats the purpose of attaining a higher education in the first place.

I'm not really sure what the logical solution is at this point 😕.

I don't mind a bit of competition but what I do mind is having to go back to school as many people are these days. To me, that's unacceptable after you've already spent the better half of your 20s in school.

 

[bamabcs]

yikes... This kinda makes me nervous Is what he saying true? It feels like pharmies have little control over their lives.. Wait.. I thought there would be swarms of openings for pharmacists!

 

[phathead]

Most* of you are well of aware of the upcoming circumstances.

I guess my situation is a bit more complicated with being an international. I was hoping that difference would be minimized once I got into pharm school but I guess it will always prevail.

I could see myself doing medicine but it's not practically possible. Doing anything less demanding than a pharmD defeats the purpose of attaining a higher education in the first place.

I'm not really sure what the logical solution is at this point 😕.

I don't mind a bit of competition but what I do mind is having to go back to school as many people are these days. To me, that's unacceptable after you've already spent the better half of your 20s in school.

What in the world are you attempting to write because you confused me.

Look, I'm gonna be around 250-300k in debt when I'm done, whoopdy do. I'm gonna be locked into a well paying job for the rest of my life, its not like you're gonna be flipping burgers.

And boo-freakin'-hoo, you can't get your pick of job with $50k sign on bonus anymore. You have to, GASP, search a little bit for a job. I mean it's just TERRIBLE, I don't know how people do it.

Suck it up and quit your whining, you'll be fine.

 

[Tatodotcom]

yikes... This kinda makes me nervous Is what he saying true? It feels like pharmies have little control over their lives.. Wait.. I thought there would be swarms of openings for pharmacists!

Oh yea he is dead on.....might want to apply at McDonald's


Common people haha🙄

 

[phathead]

BTW, if you think $60+/hr is crappy pay, you have really really high standards

 

[kmoogs]

Most* of you are well of aware of the upcoming circumstances.

I guess my situation is a bit more complicated with being an international. I was hoping that difference would be minimized once I got into pharm school but I guess it will always prevail.

I could see myself doing medicine but it's not practically possible. Doing anything less demanding than a pharmD defeats the purpose of attaining a higher education in the first place.

I'm not really sure what the logical solution is at this point 😕.

I don't mind a bit of competition but what I do mind is having to go back to school as many people are these days. To me, that's unacceptable after you've already spent the better half of your 20s in school.

Are you worried about your student visa expiring soon? Solutions: stay in school and extend that F-1 visa as long as you're a full time student, go find a normal 9-5 job and get it converted to a work visa w/in 90 or so days of graduating (?), get married to an American citizen, or leave the country.(?) It looks like by being accepted to some Pharmacy schools is a fool proof option to extend your student visa ...

 

[goatmeal]

Job Outlook About this section

Employment is expected to increase faster than the average. As a result of job growth, the need to replace workers who leave the occupation, and the limited capacity of training programs, job prospects should be excellent.
Employment change. Employment of pharmacists is expected to grow by 17 percent between 2008 and 2018, which is faster than the average for all occupations. The increasing numbers of middle-aged and elderly people—who use more prescription drugs than younger people—will continue to spur demand for pharmacists throughout the projection period. In addition, as scientific advances lead to new drug products, and as an increasing number of people obtain prescription drug coverage, the need for these workers will continue to expand.
Pharmacists also are becoming more involved in patient care. As prescription drugs become more complex, and as the number of people taking multiple medications increases, the potential for dangerous drug interactions will grow. Pharmacists will be needed to counsel patients on the proper use of medication, assist in drug selection and dosage, and monitor complex drug regimens. This need will lead to rapid growth for pharmacists in medical care establishments, such as doctors’ offices, outpatient care centers, and nursing care facilities.
Demand also will increase in mail-order pharmacies, which often are more efficient than pharmacies in other practice settings. Employment also will continue to grow in hospitals, drugstores, grocery stores, and mass retailers, because pharmacies in these settings will continue to process the majority of all prescriptions and increasingly will offer patient care services, such as the administration of vaccines.
Job prospects. Job prospects are expected to be excellent over the 2008–18 period. Employers in many parts of the country report difficulty in attracting and retaining adequate numbers of pharmacists—primarily the result of the limited training capacity of Pharm.D. programs. In addition, as a larger percentage of pharmacists elects to work part time, more individuals will be needed to fill the same number of prescriptions. Job openings also will result from faster than average employment growth and from the need to replace workers who retire or leave the occupation for other reasons.
Projections Data About this section


Projections data from the National Employment Matrix

Occupational Title​

SOC Code​

Employment, 2008​

Projected
Employment, 2018​

Change,
2008-18​

Detailed Statistics​

Number​

Percent​

Pharmacists

29-1051​

269,900
315,800
45,900
17

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NOTE: Data in this table are rounded. See the discussion of the employment projections table in the Handbook introductory chapter on Occupational Information Included in the Handbook.

Earnings About this section

Median annual wages of wage and salary pharmacists in May 2008 were $106,410. The middle 50 percent earned between $92,670 and $121,310 a year. The lowest 10 percent earned less than $77,390, and the highest 10 percent earned more than $131,440 a year.







This is from the Gov. Occupational handbook



What do you mean you won't be able to find a job

 

[phathead]

What do you mean you won't be able to find a job

People around here are pansies when it comes to this topic. You can really tell the ones who got into it at least partially for the money.

 

[jackal head]

phathead, your optimism is comforting, though ill-founded lol

the difficulties in almost every part of becoming a pharmacist, from getting into pharmacy school to getting your first job, are amplified for international students

which is why I'm perhaps a bit more concerned than most and would contemplate forgoing this career path altogether (in other words, if it's hard for a citizen, it'll be nearly impossible for an international, kinda like how it is with pharmacy school admission)

I've seen the bls statistics, the government is part of the problem, they are one of the only people today who will tell you pharmacy has "excellent" job prospects

google pharmacy surplus for more information

I don't even care about salary now, I just hope I can find work (serious)

 

[phathead]

phathead, your optimism is comforting, though ill-founded lol

the difficulties in almost every part of becoming a pharmacist, from getting into pharmacy school to getting your first job, are amplified for international students

which is why I'm perhaps a bit more concerned than most and would contemplate forgoing this career path altogether (in other words, if it's hard for a citizen, it'll be nearly impossible for an international, kinda like how it is with pharmacy school admission)

I've seen the bls statistics, the government is part of the problem, they are one of the only people today who will tell you pharmacy has "excellent" job prospects

google pharmacy surplus for more information

I don't even care about salary now, I just hope I can find work (serious)

I've been working in pharmacy for almost ten years ranging from a small town to a major city in four states.

I think I have an idea of what the industry is really like 😉

 

[PonderingChoice]

Employment is expected to increase faster than the average. As a result of job growth, the need to replace workers who leave the occupation, and the limited capacity of training programs, job prospects should be excellent. Employment change. Employment of pharmacists is expected to grow by 17 percent between 2008 and 2018, which is faster than the average for all occupations.

I don't expect there to be a shortage of pharmacists in the future, even with an aging population. Why? Because of all the newly opened pharmacy schools. Even if the current schools are not enough then more will open - the organizations that be don't seem willing to limit the opening of new schools. This will happen for as long as dumb students go into the field thinking they're going to make bank or that they're going to be so happy once they're a pharmacist. As ever, I am baffled by the older students who go into the field for anything but a love of pharmacy... and I must laugh whenever I see a post declaring that someone always wanted to be a pharmacist, it just took them 12 years to get to this point.

Pharmacist pay is not crappy, but it really isn't all that great. The six figures that you earn come with significant costs attached. Is it better paying, from a life-time perspective, than a biology B.S. or a humanities degree? Sure, but that can be said for lots of professions.

 

[goatmeal]

so is what Jakal head is saying hold any weight. In most of my science classes probably between a quarter and a half of the people say they are pre-pharmacy. Does anyone know if this is actually true?


and does anyone know about the drug dispensing machines as far as if there's a chance it could replace the pharmacists ?

 

[kmoogs]

In 2000, an estimated 8.9% of full-time-equivalent (FTE) hospital pharmacist positions were unfilled, according to ASHP's annual national survey. Scheckelhoff said other data suggested an even higher percentage.
He said the most recent ASHP national survey, conducted in summer 2008 and not yet published, put the vacancy rate at about 6%.

Predictions about the pharmacist work force have been known to be wrong, however.


The Pew Health Professions Commission in 1995 had predicted a surplus of 40,000 pharmacists in 10 years.


By 2005, the commission said, integrated health systems, combining primary, specialty, and hospital services, would provide efficient care to 80–90% of insured Americans.


One result of this transformation in the delivery of health care would be a surplus of pharmacists from the automation and centralization of drug-dispensing activities.


Scheckelhoff said the commission had assumed that the role of pharmacists would not change much in the future. Also, he said, the commission had assumed that pharmacies' adoption of automation would supplant the pharmacists practicing the traditional role of medication dispensers.


"I think what has happened instead," Scheckelhoff said, "is that pharmacists' roles have expanded in many different arenas."

http://www.ashp.org/import/news/HealthSystemPharmacyNews/newsarticle.aspx?id=3052

It is now well past their predictions for 2005 ... has the sky fallen yet?

 

[SquirrelMonkey]

I don't feel like typing much so I'll just get to the point.

If I knew about the current surplus due to all the new schools opening and how I'm going to have to look really hard to find a job (moving to crappy places, crappy schedules, crappy pay, only to pay off 200k debt), I would have done something else.

Even still it's tempting to stop now but this is my 3rd year in pre-pharm, 3.8 gpa, 80 pcat, I've kept my entire focus for the last 3 years on getting into pharmacy and even though the profession looks like it's going into the ****ter, I can't change course now.

I'll be turning 21 in march and I can already feel the mental inflexibility that comes with age.

Discuss.

Wow, I totally get what your saying. My suggestion would be to use a slipknot and at LEAST 3ft of rope. Oh! and also make sure the branches can support your weight. It really is "too bad" the schools don't make sure we all have jobs, houses and nothing to stress about once we graduate... I guess that's the problem with America though. (*said with a slight bit of sarcasm*)

 

[jackal head]

I've been working in pharmacy for almost ten years ranging from a small town to a major city in four states.

I think I have an idea of what the industry is really like 😉

Then you must know how the industry has changed in the last ten years and where this trend is going.

We do not disagree that things will be more difficult for future pharmDs, only to what extent.

That will be determined by how bad the saturation will be and as PonderingChoice said, with the way schools are opening up right now, I see no end to it.

 

[phathead]

Then you must know how the industry has changed in the last ten years and where this trend is going.

We do not disagree that things will be more difficult for future pharmDs, only to what extent.

That will be determined by how bad the saturation will be and as PonderingChoice said, with the way schools are opening up right now, I see no end to it.

Yes, I see how things have changed, but y'all are crying wolf.

I have extensive experience in the business of pharmacy, its what my BS is in, and a lot of what you guys are claiming are ludicrous. There will be no major wage reductions, there will be no job losses, there will be no inability to find a job.

Pharmacists have been lucky in that they have been babied in the last ten years. Sorry to say, but they're just another class of workers again in this country, right where they should be.

 

[PonderingChoice]

Pharmacists have been lucky in that they have been babied in the last ten years. Sorry to say, but they're just another class of workers again in this country, right where they should be.

I agree, but I'd just like people to know that pharmacy isn't as profitable as the six figures would lead you to believe. We won't be jobless hobos - but our lifetime earnings aren't better than say, having a B.S. in computer science - they might even be worse.

 

[phathead]

I agree, but I'd just like people to know that pharmacy isn't as profitable as the six figures would lead you to believe. We won't be jobless hobos - but our lifetime earnings aren't better than say, having a B.S. in computer science - they might even be worse.

That is a very generalized statement and completely inaccurate. There is wide variation in Computer Science majors which dicatates wage.

What you will see is that there will become a disparity in pharmacist wages. No longer will everyone be making the same, it'll be just like the real world. You want to make more money? You better be damned good at your job in a specific area.

The wages will not decrease to that point. A pharmacist is an integral part of health care and will become even more so over the next several decades. We are not to far away from doctors and pharmacists working hand in hand in the treatment of patients. In some areas this is already happening.

MTMs are the first step in changing how retail pharmacy works. If you want to be a pharmacist who just cranks out 500 scripts a day, you can do that. But if you really want to make a difference in managing your patient's health, you can do that too.

After money is just that, money. It really doesn't matter that much to me what we make in the end.

 

[goatmeal]

I agree, but I'd just like people to know that pharmacy isn't as profitable as the six figures would lead you to believe. We won't be jobless hobos - but our lifetime earnings aren't better than say, having a B.S. in computer science - they might even be worse.

isn't a six figure income one of the highest wages one could make, starting out of school. it seems pretty profitable to me.

 

[EddieL]

Job prospects. Job prospects are expected to be excellent over the 2008–18 period. Employers in many parts of the country report difficulty in attracting and retaining adequate numbers of pharmacists—primarily the result of the limited training capacity of Pharm.D. programs. In addition, as a larger percentage of pharmacists elects to work part time, more individuals will be needed to fill the same number of prescriptions. Job openings also will result from faster than average employment growth and from the need to replace workers who retire or leave the occupation for other reasons.

19 schools have received pre-candidate or candidate status. 17 other schools have expressed an interest in starting a school by 2011. That's 36 additional schools. The number of schools opening needs to stop or we are going to have a surplus in my opinion. This is just getting ridiculous.

By the way, BLS never predicted the pharmacist shortage. They predicted a surplus a few years back (late '90s).

MTMs are the first step in changing how retail pharmacy works. If you want to be a pharmacist who just cranks out 500 scripts a day, you can do that. But if you really want to make a difference in managing your patient's health, you can do that too.

This.

 

[sasmw2]

To the poster of this topic:

I really think you should change your profession. You are not in it for the right reasons, if you were none of the things you mentioned (living in crappy places, debt, etc) would matter. If you were in it for the right reasons you would sacrifice a lot to reach your goal. If you feel like you are not going to be happy in your decision to attend pharmacy school, then don't. Think hard about what you really want to do with your life, set the goal, and reach it.

 

[PonderingChoice]

That is a very generalized statement and completely inaccurate. There is wide variation in Computer Science majors which dicatates wage.

Of course there is - the real world is a complex place.

A pharmacist is an integral part of health care and will become even more so over the next several decades. We are not to far away from doctors and pharmacists working hand in hand in the treatment of patients. In some areas this is already happening.

Nurses are also an integral part of the healthcare system.

After money is just that, money. It really doesn't matter that much to me what we make in the end.

But it clearly does matter to some people, what else explains the exploding interest in pharmacy? It's not as if those Yahoo articles were trumpeting pharmacist-patient interactions, or if they did mention it, it was clearly subordinate to the "MAKE SIX FIGURES IN PHARMACY!" pitch.

isn't a six figure income one of the highest wages one could make, starting out of school. it seems pretty profitable to me.

And this is exactly the problem. People see six figures and think everything will be peaches and cream. I will admit pharmacy is pretty efficient if you start a 6 year program at age 18, but plenty of people aren't following that formula.

Using a median salary of 105K for a pharmacist in California, 8 years of schooling compared to the median salary of 85K for a computer science B.S. in California, and 5 years of schooling for the B.S... and a 33% tax rate (which is high, but easy to calculate, and pretty close for a pharmacist making six figures in California)... you get the pharmacist making ~10% more over their life time compared to the computer science B.S. (2400 vrs. 2650 thousand post-taxes) This also assumes an additional 100K in expenses for schooling for the pharmacist which is perfectly reasonable, IMO. This also doesn't calculate the additional investment opportunities that someone with more money, sooner, has. You also can't invest in a Roth IRA at a certain salary level, a salary level that a pharmacist is likely to breach... I think it's 105K. Finally, the power of a Roth IRA is better the sooner you invest. Oh, and the cost of loans could increase the cost of pharmacy school even more.

So don't color me too impressed with pharmacy. It's not as bad as getting your degree in art or something silly like that, but it's certainly not great. If you want to make money, and you're 2 years into college, there are better ways to do it.

 

[PonderingChoice]

I'd also like to say that I don't want to take a big stinking crap over pharmacy - it's just that pharmacy isn't nearly as profitable as some people think it is. I would not do pharmacy if money was my only motivation.

 

[boltdude]

Just get a BS in EE and follow that with a 1 year masters. That's the most efficient way to make good money (if you can handle it that is). 😀

 

[phathead]

Nurses are also an integral part of the healthcare system.

Are you seriously comparing the role nurses have in healthcare vs that of pharmacists? Seriously?

 

[Tinkerbell22]

I don't feel like typing much so I'll just get to the point.

If I knew about the current surplus due to all the new schools opening and how I'm going to have to look really hard to find a job (moving to crappy places, crappy schedules, crappy pay, only to pay off 200k debt), I would have done something else.

Even still it's tempting to stop now but this is my 3rd year in pre-pharm, 3.8 gpa, 80 pcat, I've kept my entire focus for the last 3 years on getting into pharmacy and even though the profession looks like it's going into the ****ter, I can't change course now.

I'll be turning 21 in march and I can already feel the mental inflexibility that comes with age.

Discuss.

Why are all of your posts like this?

Don't you know there are pharmacy schools and jobs in Canada? Why don't you just work there so you won't have to "compete" with citizens in a different country if that is what you are worried about.

 

[Passion4Sci]

Luckily the pre-pharmacy coursework is very flexible... you can fold Physics, Orgo, Calculus and its pre-reqs,, A&P, deep Bio, etc all very nicely into just about anything related to the sciences...

 

[weetzie00]

Luckily the pre-pharmacy coursework is very flexible... you can fold Physics, Orgo, Calculus and its pre-reqs,, A&P, deep Bio, etc all very nicely into just about anything related to the sciences...

Exactly, I graduated from undergrad with a BS in biology and with pharmacy becoming an interest for me only within the last year. I didn't take an classes in undergrad geared to the pre-pharmacy coursework. Fortunately, most of my classes fulfilled most requirements. I ended up only having to take two classes post-grad. It's not too late. If that's how you feel about pharmacy, I'd suggest doing something that you actually like... not find a job that you think is secure.

 

[PonderingChoice]

Are you seriously comparing the role nurses have in healthcare vs that of pharmacists? Seriously?

Nurses do plenty of important tasks, and sometimes save lives. There are also a few nursing specialties which pay extremely well. Are you sure you're not just looking down on someone "lower on the totem pole"... as an M.D. would do to us? All these professions are "integral" and maybe your run of the mill nurse isn't very important, but I'm sure many ignorant people would say the same of a pharmacist.

 

[jackal head]

Nurses do plenty of important tasks, and sometimes save lives. There are also a few nursing specialties which pay extremely well. Are you sure you're not just looking down on someone "lower on the totem pole"... as an M.D. would do to us? All these professions are "integral" and maybe your run of the mill nurse isn't very important, but I'm sure many ignorant people would say the same of a pharmacist.

agreed

I think the general public views nurses and pharmacists on the same level.

Anyway I appreciate the input, it's been helpful.

 

[MBkidd]

agreed

I think the general public views nurses and pharmacists on the same level.

I do not think this is true since most of the people that goes to my pharmacy refer to the pharmacists as "doctor". Not to bash on the nurses but the two degrees are definitely not equivalent.

 

[boltdude]

Nurses are the bedrock of medicine and health care. Enough said. 👍

 

[boltdude]

agreed

I think the general public views nurses and pharmacists on the same level.

Anyway I appreciate the input, it's been helpful.

Actually, nurses are probably more respected and trusted than any other health profession, including pharmacists.

 

[goatmeal]

Actually, nurses are probably more respected and trusted than any other health profession, including pharmacists.

You really think ANY health care profession what about Dr. or surgeons. Im all for nurses but that is pushing it a little to far.

 

[OldPharm]

Luckily the pre-pharmacy coursework is very flexible... you can fold Physics, Orgo, Calculus and its pre-reqs,, A&P, deep Bio, etc all very nicely into just about anything related to the sciences...

I was thinking the same thing. You can pretty much venture into any pre- health care professions, which was the case for me.

To the OP,

I was once a foreign student who successfully landed a job fresh out of college to receive h1b working visa. So I guess I can symphathize with your worries a little. All I can say to you is don't let your "foreigner" status get in the way of what you want to do with your career. I know plenty of foreign pharmacists In their late 30s and early 40s who came to the US, studied and passed NAPLEX and are now working as pharmacists with their H1B working visa in LA, CA and other large cities. So stop using that foreigner execuse to feel sorry for yourself.

 

[boltdude]

You really think ANY health care profession what about Dr. or surgeons. Im all for nurses but that is pushing it a little to far.

Yes, look it up on goggle and surveys will prove my point. You think the public overwhelmingly respect and trust physicians and surgeons? That's pretty ridiculous and naive.

 

[Passion4Sci]

If we can trust Gallup?

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/173627.php

#1 profession 8 yrs in a row, and then 1999 and 2000.

 

[IrishHammer]

If we can trust Gallup?

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/173627.php

#1 profession 8 yrs in a row, and then 1999 and 2000.

Isn't that the same poll where engineers frequently finish in the bottom 5? What the **** is an engineer going to do that would be so immoral?

Polls are bull****. Anyone can modify the numbers to get them to say what they want the numbers to say. I bet I could construct a poll that says 95% of all Americans sampled think we should make John Rocker an international diplomat.

OP-You're 21, just find something else to do with your life, you troll. Go back to your mom's basement, get on your fanboy forums, and talk about how Obama is secretly trying to turn us into a communist state by bankrupting us and getting the stupid people on his side.

 

[Passion4Sci]

Isn't that the same poll where engineers frequently finish in the bottom 5? What the **** is an engineer going to do that would be so immoral?

Polls are bull****. Anyone can modify the numbers to get them to say what they want the numbers to say. I bet I could construct a poll that says 95% of all Americans sampled think we should make John Rocker an international diplomat.

OP-You're 21, just find something else to do with your life, you troll. Go back to your mom's basement, get on your fanboy forums, and talk about how Obama is secretly trying to turn us into a communist state by bankrupting us and getting the stupid people on his side.

Oh, sure, and they're telephone interviews, and only certain kinds of people have/answer home telephones, etc.

That's why I prefaced it with "IF we can trust..."

 

[boltdude]

Isn't that the same poll where engineers frequently finish in the bottom 5? What the **** is an engineer going to do that would be so immoral?

Polls are bull****. Anyone can modify the numbers to get them to say what they want the numbers to say. I bet I could construct a poll that says 95% of all Americans sampled think we should make John Rocker an international diplomat.

OP-You're 21, just find something else to do with your life, you troll. Go back to your mom's basement, get on your fanboy forums, and talk about how Obama is secretly trying to turn us into a communist state by bankrupting us and getting the stupid people on his side.

Hmmm, engineers usually make it at the top of the list. Which poll are you referring to?

 

[kmoogs]

Isn't that the same poll where engineers frequently finish in the bottom 5? What the **** is an engineer going to do that would be so immoral?

Polls are bull****. Anyone can modify the numbers to get them to say what they want the numbers to say. I bet I could construct a poll that says 95% of all Americans sampled think we should make John Rocker an international diplomat.

OP-You're 21, just find something else to do with your life, you troll. Go back to your mom's basement, get on your fanboy forums, and talk about how Obama is secretly trying to turn us into a communist state by bankrupting us and getting the stupid people on his side.

Sorry, I couldn't resist 🤣 http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/02/09/think-tea-party-movement/

 

[UES Girl]

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To me, that's unacceptable after you've already spent the better half of your 20s in school.

Honestly, it's borderline between amusing and almost insulting to read and it also essentially comepletely belittles and undermines your entire rant about spending THE BETTER HALF OF YOUR TWENTIES IN SCHOOL for a career you claim won't be fulfifilling, when you,yourself, said you are going to be turning 21 in march. 😕 😕 😕

Grow up kid, you are AN EMBRYO, you can esentially do anything at this point and switch the direction completely if none of the careers in medical/health or science related fields that will let you utilize your pre-req education appeal to you.

 

[kmoogs]

Honestly, it's borderline between amusing and almost insulting to read and it also essentially comepletely belittles and undermines your entire rant about spending THE BETTER HALF OF YOUR TWENTIES IN SCHOOL for a career you claim won't be fulfifilling, when you,yourself, said you are going to be turning 21 in march. 😕 😕 😕

Grow up kid, you are AN EMBRYO, you can esentially do anything at this point and switch the direction completely if none of the careers in medical/health or science related fields that will let you utilize your pre-req education appeal to you.

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There's dental school, optometry school, med school, nursing school, vet school, psychology ... PhD programs ... etc. There are plenty of options out there to try out if you want to stay in the medical/healthcare field.