Medical If my GPA drops, do I still have a chance at medical school?

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Hello, I am getting ready to graduate in May 2020 with an Applied Math degree and a minor in chemistry. I have been working in a research lab for about 2 years and will have published 4 papers with my team, one of which is a review article with me as the main author. I also started doing volunteer work at a pantry at my school every week. I have started to shadow this semester and plan to continue this til I graduate along with starting to volunteer at the hospital. Currently, I am most worried about the Real analysis (hardest class for math undergraduates) class I am taking and am really struggling in. It looks like I may be headed toward a C. Before this I have a 3.98 gpa. I still have a few more difficult math classes and biochemistry left (it is considered harder than the normal biochem offered at my college since it will be chemistry based) to complete so it is possible I could get a B or two. I was wondering what my chances of getting into medical school are if my gpa drops a bit but I pass the mcat? Any advice or comments are much appreciated. Thanks.
Where are you completing your degree? Does your school have a prehealth advisor or evaluation committee process? What schools have you networked with before applying? What other upper level biomedical courses outside of your math or stats major coursework have you taken? How many clinical experience hours have you had? Why medicine, since you are really successful now in what you are doing?

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I have met with a prehealth advisor them multiple times but I just wanted some other views and opinions. I just decided that I would like to go to medical school. Earlier this year I had trouble deciding if I would like to go to grad school or medical school as I do really like both fields. After a thorough evaluation of what I wanted in life and analyzing what I enjoy doing, I decided that I would like to pursue what I would really enjoy doing which is helping others and connecting with others through medicine. Besides math classes I have taken all my prerequisites (plus Anatomy and microbiology) besides biochemistry which I will be taking this coming spring. I will be starting volunteering at the hospital next month. My classes (math classes are very hard and time consuming) and research takes up alot of time. I am either at school or in the lab working (about 20 hours per week). I also am in the math club for an extracurricular and I am also part of an honor society. In addition I have been on the dean's list and scholar's list twice. If this at all helps with my chances.

The issue for me if you want to be a viable candidate for medical school is the dearth of clinical experience. Why not take a gap year and find a job where you are immersed in a clinical setting working with caregivers and patients? You gotta be in position to be frustrated with the problems of how health care is delivered (or not) and see the impact of societal systems on health care and health maintenance to decide whether this is what you want to do. Then I'd spend the money on the MCAT after you take your biochemistry and social science coursework. At least 150 hours.

P.S. You also didn't clearly answer my other questions: Does your school have a prehealth advisor or evaluation committee process? What schools have you networked with before applying?
 
Hello, I am getting ready to graduate in May 2020 with an Applied Math degree and a minor in chemistry. I have been working in a research lab for about 2 years and will have published 4 papers with my team, one of which is a review article with me as the main author.

1) I also started doing volunteer work at a pantry at my school every week. I have started to shadow this semester and plan to continue this til I graduate along with starting to volunteer at the hospital.

Currently, I am most worried about the Real analysis (hardest class for math undergraduates) class I am taking and am really struggling in. It looks like I may be headed toward a C. Before this I have a 3.98 gpa. I still have a few more difficult math classes and biochemistry left (it is considered harder than the normal biochem offered at my college since it will be chemistry based) to complete so it is possible I could get a B or two.

2) I was wondering what my chances of getting into medical school are if my gpa drops a bit but I pass the mcat? Any advice or comments are much appreciated. Thanks.
1) You didn't say when you plan to apply, but hopefully you are planning for no sooner than 2021. An application submitted next summer 2020 would reek of an impulsive decision to enter medicine, considering you'd have only about 6 months of active clinical experience and nonmedical volunteering. The average applicant has 1.5 years of each. OTOH, the research and pubs sound terrific, being well above average. Do you have any leadership, teaching, hobbies or artistic endeavors to add to your application?

2) Applying with a downward grade trend won't end well. You say your GPA might drop "a bit," but a C and a few Bs will do worse than that. Your year-by-year GPAs are laid out for adcomms to view by the application service, not just your overall BCPM and cGPAs. But on a positive note, they won't see your GPAs term by term, so if you have a really great GPA for the other half of senior year, the hit on your GPAs will be moderated.
 
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I agree with my colleagues above, but want to address your problem with the major.

There are actually implications if you do get interviewed by someone with a math, stats, or CS background. though on your self-admitted poor performance in analysis. Are you using baby Rudin or something else?

The question that I would have with you is that while I recognize that your are Applied and not Pure, Analysis is a proofs class by nature. How confident are you in knowing your weakness here in terms of material versus problem solving ability? How would you address the weakness as both have implications on future performance?

Also, Analysis is for most the hardest class as it is really the first professional class for pure mathematicians like Organic Chemistry is for Pharmacy in terms of breadth of topical coverage and having to quickly innovate solutions. Don't fret too much over a low but passable performance.

If I were your academic advisor, I would probably have some issues about how you spent your time considering that you know that analysis is the weed-out class for math majors. Even for applied, you're going to need those skills and knowledge of measure theory and algebras for later on. Even if your grade is not changing, I would still advise you to slow down and devote more quality time to getting as much as you can given its importance.
 
Thanks for all the suggestions. I will consider waiting a year. I will probably get clinical experience and work on my masters in mathematics because I do not like wasting time especially if I don't get in. Also, if I do apply in 2020 I would continue to get clinical experience throughout the year and apply the next cycle also if I don't get in. Of course, this is all contingent on passing the mcat. In addition for the class I am talking about, at my school we take a logic and proof introductory class in order to prepare for real analysis, which we take as a junior. I did extremely well in this class. For my real analysis class I don't have any problems understanding the concepts and given time I usually can solve the problems. I study hours on end and do numerous problems for this class. However, during tests I struggle. Also, my tests are only 3 to 4 questions so missing 1 or 2 kills your grade. I have done excellent on homework and practice problems though. I have never had any issues with problem solving. My other math classes are problem solving based, and I usually outscore my classmates in these classes. My linear algebra class also had proofs and I had no issue. I have noticed my problem solving skills have greatly improved throughout college due to these math classes, my computer science class, my calculus based physics classes, and my chemistry classes. Honestly, my biology classes were very memorization based so they didn't really help me to improve my problem solving. However, I am just struggling in this specific class. This class will be my first true bad grade. Up til then I have excelled in all my other classes, even getting an A+ in many. I feel especially good since I am a female excelling at these classes, since it is not typical to see many female math students. In my current degree program, there is only 1 other female I know of and have had classes with. My math professors and advisors have even told me it is very unusual to see math students pursue medical school. Even if I don't get in, I feel accomplished. My real analysis professor said proving takes experience and I have only really had 1 semester so not much experience. I posted here because I wanted to know my chances even if I get a C in the class. All my other classes I have A's in and I still have 1 semester to go until I graduate. I just wanted an opinion. I wanted to start doing more shadowing and doing clinical work earlier this year but it has not been a good year with my family health wise. In addition, I would like to note that math classes are very strenuous and time consuming since you have to sit and do practice problems for hours. I also didn't mention this but I worked in the lab throughout the 2 summers and the school year for the two years about 20 hours a week along with taking work (writing, reviewing, revising, rewriting papers, etc.) home from lab. My professor says it is unusual for an undergraduate to publish 4 papers during research. I work extremely hard at everything I do and I stay very busy. Even if I do get a C in this math class, I will learn from it and have still learned a lot in the class regardless. I prefer to apply concepts and be more active in my job hence why I chose applied math over pure. I like to pursue anything I am interested in. For hobbies, I crochet when I have free time. I also like to read articles online and bake. I don't know if this information helps any but thanks for taking your time to answer and discuss with me. I really appreciate being able to talk to others about my experiences and get other perspectives.
Again, I would not particularly be worried about the C in Real Analysis as you are in the Applied area rather than Pure except to note that future classes in that area are at the same level and that class is historically the weedout (particularly if you are using Baby Rubin with someone who does not know how to teach it in a modern sense). I also would contrast this with your symbolic logic class, if you did fine there, I doubt it is a matter of your innate problem solving ability and more an issue of the presentation of material (unlike the infamous Harvard class, Real Analysis just does not teach itself for even good mathematicians). That said, despite the poor grade, I really would try to learn measure theory even later if possible as it is foundational for topics beyond Analysis.

The cautionary message I have for anyone electing for postgraduate work and then intending on medical school is why do it, you must have a positive and explicit reason for doing so? For SME's which others (and I) have the understanding of that being a trial basis for medical school admissions to that university, then sure. If you are going to do the MS in Mathematics, does it do anything for you: job, improves your chances at admission, etc. You should not pursue a postgraduate degree in general unless you know what to do with it, but if your heart is set on medicine, then you might want to think about what you want to risk in order to possibly gain it.


A bit off-topic:
A suggestion though if you do an MS in mathematics. I think that Pure topics are probably not to your strength. Of the applied, possible consider taking in your senior year the following unless you have already decided on what topic to do your MS in (this is not in order, just far different topics):

1. Complex Analysis (I realize that you just had Real Analysis and did poorly by your standard, this is more to open possible doors). This is the most general route, and is advised for someone interesting in doing a PhD in Math directly someday.

2. Mathematical Data Theory/Operations Research (sometimes offered in Math, sometimes offer in Comp Science) - A class that deals with linear programming, optimization under multiple adverse conditions (integer, stochastic, constrained). This goes down the CompSci, Actuarial, and Ops Research routes.

3. Stochastic calculus (need a term of statistics as a prerequisite): Basically doing calculus with standard errors and relearning DiffEq under those circumstances. This goes down the Finance and Actuarial routes.

I personally did Topic II as it was necessary for Advanced Pharmacokinetics, but any one the three opens certain doors in graduate mathematics that are both interesting and rewarding topics (and lead to definite jobs). But based on what you feel are your favorite topics and are willing to work at (not necessarily the ones that you did well in), that should factor into choosing one of the different avenues in Applied. I did not bring up Statistics or Computer Science, though they are also possible majors for graduate work.[/quote]
 
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