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cake refusal crew, checking in.

I'll also add that I hate it when classmates bring baked items into small group sessions. As if PBL weren't bad enough, now my macros are totally effed for the rest of the day and my gainz are being compromised nomsayin?
 
KinasePro said:
cake refusal crew, checking in.

I'll also add that I hate it when classmates bring baked items into small group sessions. As if PBL weren't bad enough, now my macros are totally effed for the rest of the day and my gainz are being compromised nomsayin?
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God forbid someone do something nice for the group.
 
DermViser said:
God forbid someone do something nice for the group.
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If you like baked goods, it's nice. If you carefully watch what you eat, then its kind of a nuisance to be honest.
 
KinasePro said:
If you like baked goods, it's nice. If you carefully watch what you eat, then its kind of a nuisance to be honest.
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Yes, bc we all know Ortho boys have to keep their figure.
 
DermViser said:
Yes, bc we all know Ortho boys have to keep their figure.
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You know it. Gotta stay svelte for when your hauling traction during 2+ hour femoral IM nail case. No one likes a sweaty slob in the OR...

Srsly though, I'm not alone in this sentiment. I've seen the eye rolls from everyone else around the room when this happens.
 
KinasePro said:
You know it. Gotta stay svelte for when your hauling traction during 2+ hour femoral IM nail case. No one likes a sweaty slob in the OR...

Srsly though, I'm not alone in this sentiment. I've seen the eye rolls from everyone else around the room when this happens.
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Yes, I'm not shocked that medical students can be snobs about the most benign acts esp. in a PBL session.
 
DermViser said:
Yes, I'm not shocked that medical students can be snobs about the most benign acts esp. in a PBL session.
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How is it snobby? Serious question.

Methinks you've brought a couple batches of baked good to PBL sessions in the past.
 
TwinsFan said:
Take it, thank them, eat a bite or two and enjoy. Everybody wins?
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Right, and we all do this without fail.

But there is inevitably 12 brownies with 2 bites taken out of them that end up in the trash can. Is this because we're snobs, or because we just don't like sweets? Just saying, that a room full of type A people who give weight loss counseling to patients ad nauseum probably don't appreciate the sweets all that much.
 
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DermViser said:
No. I just it's stuck up bc it's over something so minor, they can never be pleased.
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I don't think any of us are cruel enough to say anything IRL or be rude. But its a pet peeve to a lot of folks who are fending off the med school pounds.
 
KinasePro said:
I don't think any of us are cruel enough to say anything IRL or be rude. But its a pet peeve to a lot of folks who are fending off the med school pounds.
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I'm not talking about say anything or being rude. Other people shouldn't have to stop doing what they are doing bc you're trying to watch your figure.
 
DermViser said:
I'm not talking about say anything or being rude. Other people shouldn't have to stop doing what they are doing bc you're trying to watch your figure.
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lol, then what's the point of bringing your sweets to small group anyway? Isn't it supposed to be a kind gesture? If most find it to be a nuisance, then it isn't so kind after all.
 
Should I be offended if I bring coffee to a journal club at 9pm and no one drinks it bc they want to actually sleep that night?
 
KinasePro said:
lol, then what's the point of bringing your sweets to small group anyway? Isn't it supposed to be a kind gesture? If most find it to be a nuisance, then it isn't so kind after all.
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Yeah, but some people do eat and obviously find it kind.
 
DermViser said:
Yeah, but some people do eat and obviously find it kind.
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But I'm clearly talking about the scenario where those who find it a nuisance outnumber those who enjoy, which has always been the case in my experience.
 
KinasePro said:
But I'm clearly talking about the scenario where those who find it a nuisance outnumber those who enjoy, which has always been the case in my experience.
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Not at all shocked.
 
DermViser said:
Not at all shocked.
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but...

DermViser said:
Other people shouldn't have to stop doing what they are doing bc you're trying to watch your figure.
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Still sounds shocked to me. Maybe our med schools pulled from different populations. Personally, I won't judge healthy people who are polite enough to put up with the cookies and brownies, but would prefer to not have to do so at every other PBL session.
 
+1 for thanks but no thanks crew. I shouldn't be made to feel bad for not taking a cupcake at a 10am small group meeting. Our leader always makes something and I think she's so nice for doing so, but we seriously just ate breakfast and if I don't want to eat some junk who cares? She also demands we wrap up the leftover and take them with us.

I was raised well and know how to say thank you, accept the generous offer enough times to not offend, but I just don't want your muffins okay? Deal with it, it's not personal.
 
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I think Derm has a good point, and you should be pragmatic about accepting food you don't particularly care about. It's polite, and usually my way.

But a line has to be drawn somewhere if it turns into something where you're constantly eating someone's heart-attack inducing food. I think this is doubly true as future physicians... Is it really unproblematic as future healthcare professionals to give tacit approval to someone dumping cookies on everyone else by always accepting them?

Just my two cents on the solemn and deep problem of the ethics of cookie accepting.
 
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DermViser said:
Whether you are hungry or not is irrelevant (you 2 are thinking just like surgeons - if it doesn't have some sort of "purpose" it's not worth doing). If someone bakes a cake is sharing with their group, and is kind enough to offer you a slice, you accept. You don't have to eat it right there when you're rounding, but you can come back later. You thank the person for being so kind enough to offer, you eat it, and tell them they made such a great cake, and you appreciate it as a tired resident.

I swear, you guys act as if being kind takes a Herculean like effort. It doesn't.
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This is actually good advice. This is the sort of thing that I used to shrug off. After all, if I don't want cake, why should I say "yes" when someone offers me a slice? But the truth is that my desire for cake is irrelevant. That person didn't bake/buy a cake and bring it in to share on off chance that someone might want a piece. They want to be nice. So just be nice and accept it. It's kind of a strange social convention, but there it is, take it or leave it.

EDIT: Going off a larger theme: Say "yes" as often as you can. There are plenty of times when you have to say "no." If you can say "yes" and you know it will make someone happy, then just say "yes."
 
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Eating sweets once in a while isn't gonna mess people's figures up. Except if they are Type A and go crazy haha. So, glutton up and eat dem sweets 😀

Then again, I'm the health nut's worst nightmare, since I live the polar opposite of them by a longshot. Celery sticks....eww. And the polar opposite of Type A people...which made me the minority of people here. 😛
 
I think it's more rude for someone to be offended by me declining eating their baked goods than it is for me to decline in the first place. I recognize that you did a nice thing, I thank you, and I kindly say no. I'm not the bad guy.

Seriously, how overly sensitive can you be? Those people are going to get ripped to shreds in rotations and residency.
 
I'm not going to be butthurt if someone doesn't want my cookies (lol) but when someone offers I always take one as to not be rude
 
KinasePro said:
If you like baked goods, it's nice. If you carefully watch what you eat, then its kind of a nuisance to be honest.
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God forbid everyone else have something nice to eat. It's like vegans complaining about people bringing in something that contains dairy- we're not required to cater to your dietary specificities, my god.
 
Southplains said:
+1 for thanks but no thanks crew. I shouldn't be made to feel bad for not taking a cupcake at a 10am small group meeting. Our leader always makes something and I think she's so nice for doing so, but we seriously just ate breakfast and if I don't want to eat some junk who cares? She also demands we wrap up the leftover and take them with us.

I was raised well and know how to say thank you, accept the generous offer enough times to not offend, but I just don't want your muffins okay? Deal with it, it's not personal.
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If you refuse, no one cares. We understand your dietary preferences.

If, on the other hand, you're upset because you feel like they're testing your willpower, that's on you, in the same way that if you're (for instance) bothered by the way some women dress because you find it distracting, it's a personal problem.
 
Mad Jack said:
If you refuse, no one cares. We understand your dietary preferences.

If, on the other hand, you're upset because you feel like they're testing your willpower, that's on you, in the same way that if you're (for instance) bothered by the way some women dress because you find it distracting, it's a personal problem.
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How ironic - the people complaining about the person baking who is now butthurt, were the ones who themselves are butthurt bc there is temptation ready to "ruin" their healthy diet.
 
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KinasePro said:
lol, then what's the point of bringing your sweets to small group anyway? Isn't it supposed to be a kind gesture? If most find it to be a nuisance, then it isn't so kind after all.
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Most find it a nuisance? I eat that **** up. If you don't want any, I'm taking your **** too.
 
Mad Jack said:
If you refuse, no one cares. We understand your dietary preferences.

If, on the other hand, you're upset because you feel like they're testing your willpower, that's on you, in the same way that if you're (for instance) bothered by the way some women dress because you find it distracting, it's a personal problem.
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I might slap a med student if they actually verbalized their disdain for someone bringing in ANYTHING for the group.
 
Mad Jack said:
God forbid everyone else have something nice to eat. It's like vegans complaining about people bringing in something that contains dairy- we're not required to cater to your dietary specificities, my god.
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DermViser said:
How ironic - the people complaining about the person baking who is now butthurt, were the ones who themselves are butthurt bc there is temptation ready to "ruin" their healthy diet.
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JP2740 said:
I might slap a med student if they actually verbalized their disdain for someone bringing in ANYTHING for the group.
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lol @ the reading comprehension problems ITT.

Like I said earlier, no one actually refuses the small group baked good IRL. I've never refused them in small group either.

Most of us will kindly take a piece of your diabetes food and have a bite or two. But again, most people end up throwing it away after the session.

If I was the only one who felt this way, then I'd admit to being weird. But the majority of students at my school are health nuts at baseline, and are clearly just being polite. There's a handful of people in my class who lack self awareness and are constantly baking stuff and expecting everyone else to eat it gratefully. Clearly, in this scenario, the nuisance factor outweighs the enjoyment factor. It's not that complicated or nuanced, folks.
 
KinasePro said:
lol @ the reading comprehension problems ITT.

Like I said earlier, no one actually refuses the small group baked good IRL. I've never refused them in small group either.

Most of us will kindly take a piece of your diabetes food and have a bite or two. But again, most people end up throwing it away after the session.

If I was the only one who felt this way, then I'd admit to being weird. But the majority of students at my school are health nuts at baseline, and are clearly just being polite. There's a handful of people in my class who lack self awareness and are constantly baking stuff and expecting everyone else to eat it gratefully. Clearly, in this scenario, the nuisance factor outweighs the enjoyment factor. It's not that complicated or nuanced, folks.
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It's easy, just don't politely take a bite. Say you can't, it's fine, no one cares. It isn't the food that's the problem, it's your misplaced sense of politeness.

Most of the students at my school are pretty average people. Health nuts make up perhaps 20% of the class. We've got one in my group, but she brings in the most unhealthy food of all most of the time lol.
 
KinasePro said:
lol @ the reading comprehension problems ITT.

Like I said earlier, no one actually refuses the small group baked good IRL. I've never refused them in small group either.

Most of us will kindly take a piece of your diabetes food and have a bite or two. But again, most people end up throwing it away after the session.

If I was the only one who felt this way, then I'd admit to being weird. But the majority of students at my school are health nuts at baseline, and are clearly just being polite. There's a handful of people in my class who lack self awareness and are constantly baking stuff and expecting everyone else to eat it gratefully. Clearly, in this scenario, the nuisance factor outweighs the enjoyment factor. It's not that complicated or nuanced, folks.
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Your class would hate me. Especially when I tell them nothing bad would happen to the nuts if they eat one sweet. I already felt like a minority having no type a qualities, imagine being In a school with no healthy qualities at all.....id get exalted out D:

I'm the guy who would eat pizza and wings and booze ad nauseum with no regards to crap like carbs, etc. I'd probably get thrown out for never eating salad and clean meats and replacing it with red meat loving sweets 😛
 
Medical students and DermViser have the worst reading comprehension.
 
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KinasePro said:
lol @ the reading comprehension problems ITT.

Like I said earlier, no one actually refuses the small group baked good IRL. I've never refused them in small group either.

Most of us will kindly take a piece of your diabetes food and have a bite or two. But again, most people end up throwing it away after the session.

If I was the only one who felt this way, then I'd admit to being weird. But the majority of students at my school are health nuts at baseline, and are clearly just being polite. There's a handful of people in my class who lack self awareness and are constantly baking stuff and expecting everyone else to eat it gratefully. Clearly, in this scenario, the nuisance factor outweighs the enjoyment factor. It's not that complicated or nuanced, folks.
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What kind of school is it where the majority of students only will take a cookie to be polite? "Health nuts"? Anal retentive freaks is more like it.
 
Mad Jack said:
It's easy, just don't politely take a bite. Say you can't, it's fine, no one cares. It isn't the food that's the problem, it's your misplaced sense of politeness.
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lol, half of this thread butthurt at the thought of politely refusing (which no one does anyways), now you suggest it's offensive to politely comply. What a sensitive crowd.

Señor S said:
What kind of school is it where the majority of students only will take a cookie to be polite? "Health nuts"? Anal retentive freaks is more like it.
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Ha, so you're an "anal retentive freak" if you don't eat cookies and brownies? I guess we just go to different medical schools, imagine that. Gotta say, it's interesting how rustled your jimmies are over this.
 
KinasePro said:
lol, half of this thread butthurt at the thought of politely refusing (which no one does anyways), now you suggest it's offensive to politely comply. What a sensitive crowd.



Ha, so you're an "anal retentive freak" if you don't eat cookies and brownies? I guess we just go to different medical schools, imagine that. Gotta say, it's interesting how rustled your jimmies are over this.
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I didn't say it's offensive, I said sack up. Politely refusing is fine. Don't do things that clash with your beliefs just to avoid causing offense, that's ridiculous.
 
Mad Jack said:
I didn't say it's offensive, I said sack up. Politely refusing is fine. Don't do things that clash with your beliefs just to avoid causing offense, that's ridiculous.
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First, have you even read this thread? Clearly people get offended.

Second, it's not some deeply held "belief." I just don't like sweets. But it's not worth hurting someone's feelings over it (which it clearly will, based on the accusations of being a snob and an anal retentive freak).
 
KinasePro said:
First, have you even read this thread? Clearly people get offended.

Second, it's not some deeply held "belief." I just don't like sweets. But it's not worth hurting someone's feelings over it (which it clearly will, based on the accusations of being a snob and an anal retentive freak).
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I decline things all the time. Probably offends the living hell out of people, looking at the thread. And I just don't care, because seriously, why would I eat something I'm not really feeling like eating?
 
Mad Jack said:
I decline things all the time. Probably offends the living hell out of people, looking at the thread. And I just don't care, because seriously, why would I eat something I'm not really feeling like eating?
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Meh, we're all free to pick our battles I guess. I'd rather not alienate these people and just bitch about it on SDN instead. I'm sure they were raised to do these sorts of things, and while the type-A med student crowd in my neck of the woods doesn't like it, I'm not interested in taking a stand over something so petty IRL and hurting someone's feelings.
 
KinasePro said:
Meh, we're all free to pick our battles I guess. I'd rather not alienate these people and just bitch about it on SDN instead. I'm sure they were raised to do these sorts of things, and while the type-A med student crowd in my neck of the woods doesn't like it, I'm not interested in taking a stand over something so petty IRL and hurting someone's feelings.
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It's not really taking a stand. Someone offers me cookies and I just say, "thanks, but I'm good. They look delicious though." Or something similar. Easy.
 
Mad Jack said:
It's not really taking a stand. Someone offers me cookies and I just say, "thanks, but I'm good. They look delicious though." Or something similar. Easy.
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That's not how this ish goes down though. Typically, there is a tupperware container full of goodies that is passed around the room, each person taking one and passing it along. By the end of the session, the container has made it's way around the room a few times. The person will have feels of anal retention and snobbery if the container is still 95% full at the end of the session.
 
"Dr. Patel. Paging Dr. Patel."
 
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