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Hey guys,
I'll try to make this short and sweet. As you can see from my history, I typically try to distance myself from SD, just b/c it doesn't claim itself a holy book, and not one answer fits everyone's very complex life.

So I was just done with my freshman year in college. It was indeed surreal, and would've never thought that I could go through it a year ago back in high school. I knew that I had a few mental illnesses impacting my learning, and thought I would fail college. The first semester was pretty easy. I went through things in a breeze (a 14-credit schedule, believe it or not), and I had plenty of free time.

Enter winter. For one reason or another, my brain has not been forgiving. To summarize it, I am really slow. Like, it might take you my dear reader half an hour to finish a page of biology, right? Well for me it takes at least an hour, two, even three. I have to read, reread, reread, reread, reread (you get the point). Doing homework and quizzes takes a long time. Now to be fair, I have personally embarked on a heavy courseload: general chemistry I (honors seminar + honors laboratory), introductory biology (honors laboratory), political science (honors), and theatre for a 16-credit semester. Still, most of my time on any day is funneled on just two classes: the sciences. My comprehension of science has been extremely slow. I get really stressed out most of the time, thinking that I am inevitably doomed to not understand a concept every single morning and that as a result I will fail. So many weird thoughts intrude when reading, I have to keep going to the bathroom, move from place to place when any rude students make noise.

I had to make a lot of sacrifices. I talked way less to my family, woke up at 7a and slept at 1a the next morning, slept for 5-6 hours, had ZERO social life, played ZERO video games, ate little, engaged in pretty much nothing outside class, had a pretty bad hygiene (wearing the same shirt and pants every day, leaving the room really messy and garbage mounting), and did not even meet once with a doctor. But I did this all to preserve my standing academically, and I think I have succeeded. (It's too early to celebrate, but I think it is predictable.)

But here is the thing: I rushed through most of it. For most of my classes, I have learnt practically nothing, felt like they were a waste of time b/c I didn't focus on them. Somehow someway I got through the labs: I still don't know how to write a lab report, nor know the tools, equipment, and techniques in lab (lol not even titrations!), nor write neatly enough to be graded nicely. Just rush. I just focused on biology and chemistry, and believe it or not I have learned a bit in these classes and prepared myself pretty well.

Thankfully, I am done for now. I have been dreaming for some time to balance my life and not just be a person studying most of his life---that's just sad, okay? This summer, I'm not taking classes. Actually, this will drive many of you guys crazy, I already have finished through 48% of my college credits! (thx to courses tracing back to HS). So basically I can skit off college without taking any summer classes being even a parttime student (if possible), or just on a low 12. But I am not like that; I want to be challenged, just not way too challenged like last semester. I want to have a life, to engage in things outside of school, to not worry about taking too much time when eating for an extra five minutes, to make friends. Luckily I was still able to attend more than 10 plays this semester, but it's a whim for me to be able to act.

That's the thing, like I really dislike this culture, this air of many premedical students who are just focused on classes (ironically). In fact, I don't even think I am all for medicine; I am still exploring and trying to really find an orientation for it and not just follow its path blindly. But it's my own mental conditions that are enslaving me and making me study for 20 hours a day. I now have some time to think (thank God!) and want to get your guys' advice. Like, how can I get better at studying, to not take too long, to be challenged but still have time for sanity for a person like me who may have OCD and perhaps, only perhaps, ADD?
thx guys
 
Hey guys,
I'll try to make this short and sweet. As you can see from my history, I typically try to distance myself from SD, just b/c it doesn't claim itself a holy book, and not one answer fits everyone's very complex life.

So I was just done with my freshman year in college. It was indeed surreal, and would've never thought that I could go through it a year ago back in high school. I knew that I had a few mental illnesses impacting my learning, and thought I would fail college. The first semester was pretty easy. I went through things in a breeze (a 14-credit schedule, believe it or not), and I had plenty of free time.

Enter winter. For one reason or another, my brain has not been forgiving. To summarize it, I am really slow. Like, it might take you my dear reader half an hour to finish a page of biology, right? Well for me it takes at least an hour, two, even three. I have to read, reread, reread, reread, reread (you get the point). Doing homework and quizzes takes a long time. Now to be fair, I have personally embarked on a heavy courseload: general chemistry I (honors seminar + honors laboratory), introductory biology (honors laboratory), political science (honors), and theatre for a 16-credit semester. Still, most of my time on any day is funneled on just two classes: the sciences. My comprehension of science has been extremely slow. I get really stressed out most of the time, thinking that I am inevitably doomed to not understand a concept every single morning and that as a result I will fail. So many weird thoughts intrude when reading, I have to keep going to the bathroom, move from place to place when any rude students make noise.

I had to make a lot of sacrifices. I talked way less to my family, woke up at 7a and slept at 1a the next morning, slept for 5-6 hours, had ZERO social life, played ZERO video games, ate little, engaged in pretty much nothing outside class, had a pretty bad hygiene (wearing the same shirt and pants every day, leaving the room really messy and garbage mounting), and did not even meet once with a doctor. But I did this all to preserve my standing academically, and I think I have succeeded. (It's too early to celebrate, but I think it is predictable.)

But here is the thing: I rushed through most of it. For most of my classes, I have learnt practically nothing, felt like they were a waste of time b/c I didn't focus on them. Somehow someway I got through the labs: I still don't know how to write a lab report, nor know the tools, equipment, and techniques in lab (lol not even titrations!), nor write neatly enough to be graded nicely. Just rush. I just focused on biology and chemistry, and believe it or not I have learned a bit in these classes and prepared myself pretty well.

Thankfully, I am done for now. I have been dreaming for some time to balance my life and not just be a person studying most of his life---that's just sad, okay? This summer, I'm not taking classes. Actually, this will drive many of you guys crazy, I already have finished through 48% of my college credits! (thx to courses tracing back to HS). So basically I can skit off college without taking any summer classes being even a parttime student (if possible), or just on a low 12. But I am not like that; I want to be challenged, just not way too challenged like last semester. I want to have a life, to engage in things outside of school, to not worry about taking too much time when eating for an extra five minutes, to make friends. Luckily I was still able to attend more than 10 plays this semester, but it's a whim for me to be able to act.

That's the thing, like I really dislike this culture, this air of many premedical students who are just focused on classes (ironically). In fact, I don't even think I am all for medicine; I am still exploring and trying to really find an orientation for it and not just follow its path blindly. But it's my own mental conditions that are enslaving me and making me study for 20 hours a day. I now have some time to think (thank God!) and want to get your guys' advice. Like, how can I get better at studying, to not take too long, to be challenged but still have time for sanity for a person like me who may have OCD and perhaps, only perhaps, ADD?
thx guys
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This should be on the pre-med forum. My advice: sleep more! You really need 8-9 hours of sleep to keep your concentration and memory sharp. Also, it's ok to take breaks. Your current schedule is not sustainable and sooner or later, you'll crash. Lastly, go talk to your school advisor.
 
You seem like a smart individual so I'll give you simple and straight forward advice: find / attempt different methods of studying. If you are a ADD it might explain why you're taking so long to cover material. Don't be afraid or ashamed, I was the same way. My whole life I been that way. You just have to accept it as you and find a solution. Whether that be going to see a doctor or practicing different study methods like I proposed (look at Pomodoro technique). If you are ADD, trying to study for long periods of time w/ out a break, it would explain why you have to study all day long. LASTLY, please, for the love of god, shower. Don't be that person. Personal hygiene is important. Good luck OP. Keep exploring other options, it's smart of you to not just "blindly" follow the path to medicine.
 
Enter winter. For one reason or another, my brain has not been forgiving. To summarize it, I am really slow. Like, it might take you my dear reader half an hour to finish a page of biology, right? Well for me it takes at least an hour, two, even three. I have to read, reread, reread, reread, reread (you get the point)... My comprehension of science has been extremely slow. I get really stressed out most of the time, thinking that I am inevitably doomed to not understand a concept every single morning and that as a result I will fail. So many weird thoughts intrude when reading, I have to keep going to the bathroom, move from place to place when any rude students make noise.

I wonder if using Anki would help with this. I find that the same thing happens to me if I'm just reading straight through - I get to the end of a paragraph and realize I can't remember anything I just read.

If I read and make flash cards as I go along, I find it helps keep me focused because I'm actively engaging with the material and trying to figure out how best to translate what I'm reading into questions I can put on a card. Also, when you approach material this way, you can kind of move forward steadily even if you aren't understanding 100%, since you know you're going to see these flashcards again as many times as it takes for you to learn them.

Using Anki also helps break up the knowledge into more manageable chunks. Instead of a page a of text, you get little bite sized pieces of information 1 at a time. This also helps filter out the things you don't know, so you can focus on what you still need to learn. It is also a stress reducer - don't worry about forgetting concepts, since the software will bring those concepts up again as many times as necessary for you to remember them!
 
Yeah, if someone can duplicate (or move) this to premedical forum, that'd be appreciated.
Thanks everyone for your help!! B)
 
I wonder if using Anki would help with this. I find that the same thing happens to me if I'm just reading straight through - I get to the end of a paragraph and realize I can't remember anything I just read.

If I read and make flash cards as I go along, I find it helps keep me focused because I'm actively engaging with the material and trying to figure out how best to translate what I'm reading into questions I can put on a card. Also, when you approach material this way, you can kind of move forward steadily even if you aren't understanding 100%, since you know you're going to see these flashcards again as many times as it takes for you to learn them.

Using Anki also helps break up the knowledge into more manageable chunks. Instead of a page a of text, you get little bite sized pieces of information 1 at a time. This also helps filter out the things you don't know, so you can focus on what you still need to learn. It is also a stress reducer - don't worry about forgetting concepts, since the software will bring those concepts up again as many times as necessary for you to remember them!
Thank you for this!
 
I'll be happy to advise, if you can ask your questions without the Stephen King-length novella.


Hey guys,
I'll try to make this short and sweet. As you can see from my history, I typically try to distance myself from SD, just b/c it doesn't claim itself a holy book, and not one answer fits everyone's very complex life.

So I was just done with my freshman year in college. It was indeed surreal, and would've never thought that I could go through it a year ago back in high school. I knew that I had a few mental illnesses impacting my learning, and thought I would fail college. The first semester was pretty easy. I went through things in a breeze (a 14-credit schedule, believe it or not), and I had plenty of free time.

Enter winter. For one reason or another, my brain has not been forgiving. To summarize it, I am really slow. Like, it might take you my dear reader half an hour to finish a page of biology, right? Well for me it takes at least an hour, two, even three. I have to read, reread, reread, reread, reread (you get the point). Doing homework and quizzes takes a long time. Now to be fair, I have personally embarked on a heavy courseload: general chemistry I (honors seminar + honors laboratory), introductory biology (honors laboratory), political science (honors), and theatre for a 16-credit semester. Still, most of my time on any day is funneled on just two classes: the sciences. My comprehension of science has been extremely slow. I get really stressed out most of the time, thinking that I am inevitably doomed to not understand a concept every single morning and that as a result I will fail. So many weird thoughts intrude when reading, I have to keep going to the bathroom, move from place to place when any rude students make noise.

I had to make a lot of sacrifices. I talked way less to my family, woke up at 7a and slept at 1a the next morning, slept for 5-6 hours, had ZERO social life, played ZERO video games, ate little, engaged in pretty much nothing outside class, had a pretty bad hygiene (wearing the same shirt and pants every day, leaving the room really messy and garbage mounting), and did not even meet once with a doctor. But I did this all to preserve my standing academically, and I think I have succeeded. (It's too early to celebrate, but I think it is predictable.)

But here is the thing: I rushed through most of it. For most of my classes, I have learnt practically nothing, felt like they were a waste of time b/c I didn't focus on them. Somehow someway I got through the labs: I still don't know how to write a lab report, nor know the tools, equipment, and techniques in lab (lol not even titrations!), nor write neatly enough to be graded nicely. Just rush. I just focused on biology and chemistry, and believe it or not I have learned a bit in these classes and prepared myself pretty well.

Thankfully, I am done for now. I have been dreaming for some time to balance my life and not just be a person studying most of his life---that's just sad, okay? This summer, I'm not taking classes. Actually, this will drive many of you guys crazy, I already have finished through 48% of my college credits! (thx to courses tracing back to HS). So basically I can skit off college without taking any summer classes being even a parttime student (if possible), or just on a low 12. But I am not like that; I want to be challenged, just not way too challenged like last semester. I want to have a life, to engage in things outside of school, to not worry about taking too much time when eating for an extra five minutes, to make friends. Luckily I was still able to attend more than 10 plays this semester, but it's a whim for me to be able to act.

That's the thing, like I really dislike this culture, this air of many premedical students who are just focused on classes (ironically). In fact, I don't even think I am all for medicine; I am still exploring and trying to really find an orientation for it and not just follow its path blindly. But it's my own mental conditions that are enslaving me and making me study for 20 hours a day. I now have some time to think (thank God!) and want to get your guys' advice. Like, how can I get better at studying, to not take too long, to be challenged but still have time for sanity for a person like me who may have OCD and perhaps, only perhaps, ADD?
thx guys
 
tl;dr
Thanks to my dysfunctional brain I'm slow, thus I have to study WAY, WAY more than others. I want to have a life outside of school. How can I become better from your guys' past experiences?
 
tl;dr
Thanks to my dysfunctional brain I'm slow, thus I have to study WAY, WAY more than others. I want to have a life outside of school. How can I become better from your guys' past experiences?
Try some strategies that tend to help, spaced repititon anki, try to use other sources watch videos on YouTube , listen to audio lectures, draw relationships and complex concepts. Do lots of practice questions.

Best advice of all is go to your university's learning center and have them help you figure it out. Don't listen to bunch of anonymous posters on a Peruvian canoe making forum.
 
You should go get officially diagnosed so you have a shot at extended time for the MCAT

If you plan to carry that dx. for Step 1 and/or residency, according to The Successful Match 2017 by Samir Desai MD, some residency directors ranked that as a factor they consider in making decisions. I don't know the specific specialty or survey this is in reference to off the top of my head by something to keep in mind.
 
IMO, doing well in undergrad is all about study habits. Follow @libertyyne advice. I think @Goro will say the same thing about going to the learning center for help. Good luck!
 
If you plan to carry that dx. for Step 1 and/or residency, according to The Successful Match 2017 by Samir Desai MD, some residency directors ranked that as a factor they consider in making decisions. I don't know the specific specialty or survey this is in reference to off the top of my head by something to keep in mind.
How do residency directors find out about their applicant's medical histories? Does the step 1 show when extended time is given for ADHD?

The MCAT used to put an asterisk for any abnormal testing condition (so ADHD and a power outage at the test center were marked identically) and they stopped even showing the asterisk in 2015 or 2016.
 
How do residency directors find out about their applicant's medical histories? Does the step 1 show when extended time is given for ADHD?

The MCAT used to put an asterisk for any abnormal testing condition (so ADHD and a power outage at the test center were marked identically) and they stopped even showing the asterisk in 2015 or 2016.

I'm on the same page as you. I had the same question when I read that in the book. I do recall vaguely recall that it's documented somewhere if you took extra time when reading the USMLE Step 1 FAQs somewhere or somewhere on SDN but I could be off.

On a related note, in my opinion, starting from medical school the system stops caring about certain level cognitive disability in general. For example, at our school, we are of course offered help thru referral for test anxiety, but are offered no alternative testing conditions and are told that USMLE offers nothing for that. Also, if a program directors learns of a learning disability, it seems like that is a factor PDs who filled out the aforementioned book's surveys openly admit they take into account.
 
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In addition to everything said above, consider if there are any similarities between what's tripping you up in different situations. Did you also have this problem in high school? That would help you determine if it's more situational or part of your brain you need to work around. Is it just reading comprehension and once it's in your brain it's good (which seems to be the main problem described), or do you also have problems with long-term memorization and conceptualization? Do your non-science classes suffer or are you doing okay in those?

I know that I personally just have an academic blind-spot--mathematical word problems. I can do math, I can do science, but this one thing trips me up and I just have to put extra time into it now in GenChem, and I will again once I get to Physics. It feels like it's throwing my whole schedule off because basically the entire class all year has relied on my being able to do the math, not just the conceptual understanding, but it's actually just the one thing that's the issue. Is it something like that?

When I talked to my Chem professor, I explained that I could try a problem, get pretty far, see how it was actually done, understand why it was done that way, and then immediately turn the paper over to try again (without looking at the answer) and would do even worse than the first time! I was panicking. He advised me to take a break even though it was less than a week before finals, and he was right.
 
Can't give suggestions for all things (I am someone who needs to read and reread, reread to catch everything,) but...

Having to move because of annoying loud people: It's easier to notice in a dark room if one lightbulb is turned on than it is if 100 lights are shining and you turn one on. Meaning, I cannot study in the library because, if one person even sniffles wrong, I am thrown off for hours. However, I am able to work productively at coffee shops (everyone is loud so one person's loudness is insignificant.) On top of that, find a website online for white noise, might be helpful.

OCD, maybe ADD: Go chat up your school's counseling center if you haven't already. They will point you in some good directions. Get therapy, drugs, whatever you need to calm yourself down a bit.

Hygiene: Showering is KEY. If you have a personal shower that you don't share, Put up some cheap paneling and use as a dry erase board. You can bathe and still study. If you are in a dorm shower situation, that should be its own motivation to get in and out as fast as possible (but still use soap.) Same with laundry. Make sure you have enough to last you 7 days, and set aside a few hours on the weekend to do your wash. Take a topic you are struggling with and try to find a Youtube video on it. Watch/listen to it while doing your laundry.

The above things should help in general.

Next, if you aren't entirely sure about medicine, DON'T DO MEDICINE. This field is one where you need to pretty much want nothing more than to have a career in medicine. The lifestyle isn't as glamorous as it once was, and it is a battle to get through medical school. But it is also highly rewarding. That being said, you seem like someone who might thrive in research. Is that an option for you?
 
You should go get officially diagnosed so you have a shot at extended time for the MCAT

Well I am trying to get diagnosed despite I've already taken MCAT. Time passes me by quietly in a flash. Kitchen Timer is my good friend and I get neurotic checking if I get everything I needed with me. ;P
 
I honestly don't know why people bother to respond to your thread simply to troll at the length of the post and offer 0 help to you. Even if you had removed the "I'll try to keep this short and sweet" line, I'm sure SDN would have trolled you on something else.

This book really helped me understand how I can study smarter instead of studying longer. Maybe it will help you too: "How to Become a Straight-A Student" by Cal Newport

The other thing was to use Anki as much as possible and repeatedly ask myself questions from the decks to refresh information.

I think if you adopt a lot of things the book above mentions, you can become more productive. If you feel that the ADHD becomes very overwhelming, maybe you can reach out to someone to see what options are for that?
 
@yale, I just wanted to respond to say you're not alone.

I'm super slow with reading as well, and yes, I was eventually diagnosed with moderate combined-type ADHD (along with autism spectrum disorder, a pituitary tumor, and other health issues that can cause cognitive issues). Basically, I'm the kind of person that requires absolute silence to get through a textbook chapter (and this is on medication, so you can imagine how much worse I was without it). All of my combined diagnoses ended up allowing me to get several accommodations, including extended time which has honestly worked wonders for me.

With that being said, I guarantee that your study skills are partially to blame for you taking a long time to get things done. You mentioned needing hours to read a chapter, for example, but how are you reading them? If you're like me, you're trying to memorize every single word in the textbook (during one reading, because you fear you'll forget what you've read if you take breaks). If so, then I think that's part of your problem, and I second the Cal Newport recommendation; it may teach you how to break up your textbook readings (and other assignments) into smaller manageable chunks.

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions about my experiences and/or the ADHD assessment process and how I'm working to get over them. 🙂
 
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