Immature Students in your class?

[drsadness88]

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Oh, ok. I study in Poland. We have no premed, but we have instead a 6 year education, plus a year of internship, which makes it seven years. So we have a similar course plan I guess.

Sorry for my question, but do you guys study everything in English?. Because my uncle did his residency in Germany.And he had to take a 6-month-German-language course,because everything was taught in German.

 

[DrZeke]

I have never heard of anyone describe themselves as being in the "Faculty of Medicine" unless they are actually a medical student or a grad student doing medical research. You could have said you were a physio student. Nobody would have asked for clarification.

Yeah, I have...so...yeah...

 

[GodoShingo]

Sorry for my question, but do you guys study everything in English?. Because my uncle did his residency in Germany.And he had to take a 6-month-German-language course,because everything was taught in German.

No worries. We study everything in English. We learn a bit Polish, about one hour a week just to be able to communicate with the Polish people and with the doctors in the hospitals when we do internship one month a year.
It's cool, here they let us do everything we want during the internship since it's a teaching hospital.
Our university is one of the most renown in whole Poland, and also known internationally. Many Polish doctors are good ones, hard working and dedicated. And most of our teachers are practicing doctors that know very good English.

 

[TMP-SMX]

No worries. We study everything in English. We learn a bit Polish, about one hour a week just to be able to communicate with the Polish people and with the doctors in the hospitals when we do internship one month a year.
It's cool, here they let us do everything we want during the internship since it's a teaching hospital.
Our university is one of the most renown in whole Poland, and also known internationally. Many Polish doctors are good ones, hard working and dedicated. And most of our teachers are practicing doctors that know very good English.

If they can speak English well why don't they go to England where they would make a whole lot more money. The only way to make money in Poland is to have someone slip you an envelope to get the best care in the public hospitals.

 

[EMH]

The first time there was a book placed on reserve in the library there were about 5 pages torn out and missing within hours. I chose at the time to give my class the benefit of the doubt but the more I think about it the more I wonder.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

The first time there was a book placed on reserve in the library there were about 5 pages torn out and missing within hours. I chose at the time to give my class the benefit of the doubt but the more I think about it the more I wonder.

I've heard some similar stories about your school. Do you think you guys are more competitive than usual?

Anyway, that's completely unacceptable.

 

[TRAMD]

No worries. We study everything in English. We learn a bit Polish, about one hour a week just to be able to communicate with the Polish people and with the doctors in the hospitals when we do internship one month a year.
It's cool, here they let us do everything we want during the internship since it's a teaching hospital.
Our university is one of the most renown in whole Poland, and also known internationally. Many Polish doctors are good ones, hard working and dedicated. And most of our teachers are practicing doctors that know very good English.

If that is you in your avatar then I apologize for my question. Why would you deface the iconic Superman symbol in such a cheesy way?

 

[B1TTERsweet]

I missed out on joining a clique (Asian clique, ex-sorority clique, jock clique, etc) so now I am in the loosely-associated clique of people who lack a clique. So very HS all over again.

I have yet to figure out the organization of the cliques at my school. They all seem the same: rich Christian AP science kids. I haven't even found the clique that lacks a clique...alone....

 

[EMH]

I've heard some similar stories about your school. Do you think you guys are more competitive than usual?

Anyway, that's completely unacceptable.

10 weeks in that's really the only incident. I do feel that outside of a handful of students (my self included, I'm a bit overly outgoing) that most kind of keep either to themselves or to their clic.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

10 weeks in that's really the only incident. I do feel that outside of a handful of students (my self included, I'm a bit overly outgoing) that most kind of keep either to themselves or to their clic.

Actually I'm sure stuff like that can happen at every school, but I heard pretty much that exact same story from a friend who graduated from your school a few years ago. I guess the thing that saves my school from this is that all our resources are online.

I also heard there were lots of cliques based on where people went to undergrad, and the people from my undergrad were especially obnoxious. 😳

 

[Doctor Bagel]

I have yet to figure out the organization of the cliques at my school. They all seem the same: rich Christian AP science kids. I haven't even found the clique that lacks a clique...alone....

The thing is that not everyone's like that (in fact, there are lots of people who aren't), but you're right, it really does seem that way.

 

[Jwax]

The thing is that not everyone's like that (in fact, there are lots of people who aren't), but you're right, it really does seem that way.

It is amazing how differently I feel dependent on mood about my class. Today was a good day; I actually branched out and had lunch with a group of kids I don't normally talk to that closely. I think that a lot of cliques have formed, but I'm pretty much of the impression that you can break into any of them, at least momentarily, if you just try (i.e. hey can I go to lunch with you guys?). So... this week, I don't feel our class is too immature.

I think a few weeks ago I felt the exact opposite and was wondering how on earth these children (who are mostly my age - early 20's) could ever grow up into real adults who hold lives in their hands. It is scary, yet I imagine there will be some definite maturing accuring during the clinical years. I read in another thread that the people who act like teenagers in the first 2 years almost always have a drastic change of behavior somewhere in 3rd year. I imagine the initiation of this change would be increased responsibility and lack of free time. When it comes down to it, we still have a lot of free time during our first two years and our responsibility is only to ourselves. 3rd year comes around = no free time, no life, opportunity to drink maybe once a month or so, and you can actually hurt people if you f*** up.

Point - I mostly believe that even the most of the immature can pull it together and grow up when it actually matters. Until it does matter, I don't think I can fault them for wanting to do what every non-medical student 22 year old would do - get wasted and get laid.

Oh, and I would kick someone's butt if I wasn't allowed to go to medical school until 24. That would be BS. But, I also thought it was a bunch of BS that I couldn't drink until I was 21. Now that I'm 23, I fully support the drinking age limit.... so maybe I'd change my opinion on the 24 y.o. limit to med school once I was 24.

 

[DoctorDan24]

I definitely have been surprised by the lack of maturity in my class. I am 25, so I guess a few years older then most, but I am still surprised by it.

 

[GodoShingo]

If they can speak English well why don't they go to England where they would make a whole lot more money. The only way to make money in Poland is to have someone slip you an envelope to get the best care in the public hospitals.

They probably cannot afford to live there for even one month until they get their salary. Even if they use their savings.
Most important is that in Poland they are still very old-fashioned. The professors have great respect and high status.
For example, the pope visited our school once...

 

[GodoShingo]

If that is you in your avatar then I apologize for my question. Why would you deface the iconic Superman symbol in such a cheesy way?

The Superman symbol is a part of pop-culture. It shows strength.
Of course I believe doctors are superhumans, just like Superman.

And it is not cheesy. It's cool. You are cheesy!

It is not me dressed as Superman, it is a character from Grey's Anatomy; George O'Malley.
I think he is cool, and a Super Doc. He has what the others lack, hence the Superman costume.

Mostly it is just made for fun. Like a ninja-doc.

 

[LabMonster]

Two of our study objectives for out last block...
-Describe and locate the clitoris
-Describe the female orgasm.

I could tell it was a new concept to some of the male members of the class, haha.

#1 The What?
#2 See #1 😀

 

[werd]

i'll admit that a lot of med students, including myself at times, act immaturely. however, there's a difference between being immature at lecture or socially and being immature with patient responsibilities. lots of my classmates do the former, but i've only rarely seen the latter. i guess i'm trying to emphasize that people who don't seem to take life too seriously or themselves too seriously may still take medicine and their jobs seriously.... and i think that's what counts.
in general, i'd discourage people from making judgements about others' attitudes and appropriateness/inappropriateness for medicine. you could argue that goofing off when not with patients keeps you sane and allows you to cope with the gravity and responsibility of learning medicine. you could argue that being serious in your personal life reflects that attitude necessary to be a responsible doctor. in the end it depends what works for you; both groups are usually responsible on the patient floors, and both groups do just fine as doctors.

 

[LabMonster]

i'll admit that a lot of med students, including myself at times, act immaturely. however, there's a difference between being immature at lecture or socially and being immature with patient responsibilities. lots of my classmates do the former, but i've only rarely seen the latter. i guess i'm trying to emphasize that people who don't seem to take life too seriously or themselves too seriously may still take medicine and their jobs seriously.... and i think that's what counts.
in general, i'd discourage people from making judgements about others' attitudes and appropriateness/inappropriateness for medicine. you could argue that goofing off when not with patients keeps you sane and allows you to cope with the gravity and responsibility of learning medicine. you could argue that being serious in your personal life reflects that attitude necessary to be a responsible doctor. in the end it depends what works for you; both groups are usually responsible on the patient floors, and both groups do just fine as doctors.

How does that vaguely justify "being immature at lecture"?

Like it or not, you're held to a higher standard. We're all human, but expectations of our behavior are not - they are super-human.

Social life excluded for the most part, med-student need to act professionally.

 

[werd]

How does that vaguely justify "being immature at lecture"?

Like it or not, you're held to a higher standard. We're all human, but expectations of our behavior are not - they are super-human.

Social life excluded for the most part, med-student need to act professionally.

do i sense a sort of calvin-and-suzie thing between us? it's making me blush... 😉. cheers.

 

[LabMonster]

do i sense a sort of calvin-and-suzie thing between us? it's making me blush... 😉. cheers.

Wait - I get the tiger right?

 

[GreenShirt]

I think our education is sufficient to without any trouble being able to work in the States.
Yes, we have a kind of final exam in the last year that you have to pass t get your licence, and it covers everything we have learned since the first year.

But the thing is, that our school just wants money, and if students proceed studying, they get an extra $8500 a year. So they pass students.
I hope that it will stop soon.

It's pretty hard to flunk out of an American medical school too. Having a lot of failing students makes the school look bad, so they tend to go through great lengths to keep as many students as possible. For example, over 1/3 of my class failed the first module of the year based on exams scores, so they gave everyone "participation points" and miraculously the class average was an 80 for the course.

 

[LabMonster]

It's pretty hard to flunk out of an American medical school too. Having a lot of failing students makes the school look bad, so they tend to go through great lengths to keep as many students as possible. For example, over 1/3 of my class failed the first module of the year based on exams scores, so they gave everyone "participation points" and miraculously the class average was an 80 for the course.

Did the class not study, or was the material off? Where is the control? What are the average board scores... etc ?

Your medical school is a medical school by virtue of the fact that it meets certain criteria.

If it didn't, it wouldn't be accredited, and if it weren't accredited, then no one would pay money to sit for lectures and fail tests.

 

[GodoShingo]

Did the class not study, or was the material off? Where is the control? What are the average board scores... etc ?

Your medical school is a medical school by virtue of the fact that it meets certain criteria.

If it didn't, it wouldn't be accredited, and if it weren't accredited, then no one would pay money to sit for lectures and fail tests.

Truth is, as far as I know, that they keep the students as long as they can.
On an average around 50% fail or cut the program when we have reached the sixth year of our education.
I guess that when it gets serious (practicing patient care ect.) in the third/fourth year, they start to care less if someone fails.
I could say that they give many chances to the students before kicking them out or stop giving them help.

 

[deleted29780]

what is immaturity...fetal dysmaturity syndrome or what?

features
- alert
- dry, desquamated skin
- meconium stained finger nails and skin
- decreased subcutaneous fat
- thin and long nails
- luxuriant hair
- thin and long body

wow, i love the fetal dysmaturity syndrome...is that immature???