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I would also look into finding a cheaper undergrad in the near future, hopefully, one near your parents home so they can at least subsidize your living costs if it's possible. I honestly do not think it is a bad idea to take the basics bio 1/2, chem 1/2 and obtain an associates degree at a community college so long as you kill your upper-level courses in a university setting. This will save a lot of money but it may come with the downside that you will have a higher concentration of harder sciences each semester towards the end of your degree.

If you somehow don't manage to get straight 4.0s and are under the 3.0 you can always do a masters with a guaranteed admission as a backup.
However, as everyone else has mentioned above, do not even attempt at starting school again until you are 100% ready. Another screw up will set you back even further.

You’re absolutely right. Last thing I need to do is screw up. That’s my current plan now, try to get as close to a 3 or to a 3 and apply for masters. I can manage to take a extra year or two of undergrad if need be as well. As of now, a 3.6 atleast for the remaining of my undergrad, including with the two extra years will get me to a 3.0-3.1, apply to a school first cycle. If I don’t get in, hopefully an SMP and then go from there.
 
First off, thank you for updating us. I was wondering about you.

Secondly, I am so so impressed with your courage and insight. Your acknowledgment that you need help serves as an example to the rest of us - as a person with her own anxiety/depression history, I know how hard it is to admit that. I also know it isn’t easy to go through what you’re experiencing right now. You owe it to yourself to be as happy and healthy as you can be. Your health (mental and otherwise) should be your #1 priority forever and ever.

Here’s the thing about medical school: it’s a great goal to have because it will always be there. Medical school will be waiting for you when you come out on the other side of this. Youth is not necessarily an advantage in this game, so take all the time you need to recuperate and improve your GPA.

For whatever it’s worth, this random internet stranger is proud of you and believes in you. You can get to medical school, but it just might take some time. Please take care in the interim.

Thank you, I really needed that. I am in no way trying to rush the process either, my goal is just to find a balance between school and extra curricular so it can keep me healthy mentally. I have been improving every day so that’s a positive. I have a question however. What do you usually do when all of the pressure gets to your head? It usually comes when I am approaching an exam and I think about the consequences.
 
Thank you, I really needed that. I am in no way trying to rush the process either, my goal is just to find a balance between school and extra curricular so it can keep me healthy mentally. I have been improving every day so that’s a positive. I have a question however. What do you usually do when all of the pressure gets to your head? It usually comes when I am approaching an exam and I think about the consequences.
Everyone is different, I will usually shed a tear or take a nap to reset the brain lol.
 
Just tonight I have been really really negative thoughts and it’s something that I have come to realization to. Personally for me, the only way I can get out of this if I see professional help, figure out how to socialize with others and figure out how to healthily cope with any negativity.
good for you — seriously. And take some comfort that seeking help and taking meds if recommended by your doc will in no way effect your medical school journey/admissions
 
What do you usually do when all of the pressure gets to your head? It usually comes when I am approaching an exam and I think about the consequences.

That’s a hard one. It’s so individual. For me, I like exercise. I just go for a long run or a steep hike when my demons start acting up. If I’m physically exhausted, my brain can’t f with me as much 😉 N=1, but I have done better on exams the day after a good workout. You don’t have to be a cardio bunny, though. Yoga, stretching, or Pilates will also do the trick.

Sometimes very calming/cozy activities like reading, cooking, or watching TV (I am currently watching Schitt’s Creek and loving it) are indicated. You’re allowed to have some “lazy” fun time, don’t forget.
 
That’s a hard one. It’s so individual. For me, I like exercise. I just go for a long run or a steep hike when my demons start acting up. If I’m physically exhausted, my brain can’t f with me as much 😉 N=1, but I have done better on exams the day after a good workout. You don’t have to be a cardio bunny, though. Yoga, stretching, or Pilates will also do the trick.

Sometimes very calming/cozy activities like reading, cooking, or watching TV (I am currently watching Schitt’s Creek and loving it) are indicated. You’re allowed to have some “lazy” fun time, don’t forget.

Okay thank you. Those are really helpful! I have been trying to exercise once a day, def should help!
 
1. Make sure you take care of your mental health before even going to your learning center. You need to be able to focus on the information that they are giving you.

2. Maybe before taking class you can go through the courses on Khan Academy or YouTube videos on each course that you think you may find difficult.

3. Go and sit in these classes at your university without paying for them. And of course study for them as if you are taking the courses. This means doing problems. Getting access to old exams and answer keys going several years back. Questions that are repeated from year to year, you know they will be asked again.

4. When you are taking the courses at your university, make sure you get help when needed. Some colleges have free tutoring services, utilize that along with getting help from your professors and teaching assistants.
 
Hey SDN, thought I could use some wisdom from you guys. I got my first midterms grades and so far I am looking 3A’s, 1 B, 1C. I still have the rest of the semesters to bring the C up so I am not too worried. I am only writing this because so far I am not involved in any extra curricular whatsoever. However, I plan on being part of Debate club, which is a huge time commitment with two practices a week and tournaments on the weekend. My problem stems from being unable to make friendships and getting to know people so I believe joining a club could help with that. At the same time, I am not sure if it’s wise to do that at this time during the semester. Any advice is appreciated.


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Hey guys, thought I’d provide an update. My results came in and I ended last semester with a 3.4. Although not the best, it’s certainly provided confidence for the next sem. I now have a 2.2 gpa(1.9 before). I can get it to a 2.5 by end of spring sem only if I end with a 4.0 while attempting 20 credits. I would like feedback on this plan. I also plan on extending my graduation to 2023. Goal is to reach the 3.0 cutoff and apply to an SMP.


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Hey guys, thought I’d provide an update. My results came in and I ended last semester with a 3.4. Although not the best, it’s certainly provided confidence for the next sem. I now have a 2.2 gpa(1.9 before). I can get it to a 2.5 by end of spring sem only if I end with a 4.0 while attempting 20 credits. I would like feedback on this plan. I also plan on extending my graduation to 2023. Goal is to reach the 3.0 cutoff and apply to an SMP.


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Good plan. Just skimming thru the previous comments but its great that you are improving. Definetly do not take the MCAT at this point tho. Also, this thread is in the MD section? I don't mean to be rude but realistically your chances for US MD are 0. Keep up the good work and apply broadly DO within a few years and I think you will find success. Hope you are doing better and relaxing this new years
 
Good plan. Just skimming thru the previous comments but its great that you are improving. Definetly do not take the MCAT at this point tho. Also, this thread is in the MD section? I don't mean to be rude but realistically your chances for US MD are 0. Keep up the good work and apply broadly DO within a few years and I think you will find success. Hope you are doing better and relaxing this new years

Thanks. Happy New Years to you as well. I am fine with DO as well but would a post-SMP application to an MD be enough as well? Realistically I am happy with either but I would like to get into an MD program, if possible.


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Thanks. Happy New Years to you as well. I am fine with DO as well but would a post-SMP application to an MD be enough as well? Realistically I am happy with either but I would like to get into an MD program, if possible.


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Stop worrying about MD. At this point your chances for DO are pretty remote so just keep working hard and see where you end up. You are going to have to start doing better than 3.4 for each semester or you will never get to 3.0. I do hope you have a Plan B someplace in the back of your mind. It’s always good to have a Plan B. How are your ECs coming along?
 
Stop worrying about MD. At this point your chances for DO are pretty remote so just keep working hard and see where you end up. You are going to have to start doing better than 3.4 for each semester or you will never get to 3.0. I do hope you have a Plan B someplace in the back of your mind. It’s always good to have a Plan B. How are your ECs coming along?

Yeah you’re right. I should focus on grades. As of now, I am volunteering at a hospital and I am doing research with a neurosurgeon next semester. I also plan on doing the Debate club, which is a competition based club. I have a writing internship as a tutor next semester. I plan on building my ECs on the basis that I want to teach, which is also my passion. My summer extracurricular will consist of that theme. My plan B is any of the healthcare professions: nursing and PA school. The good thing about nursing is that they do have grade replacement so that’ll be beneficial for me. If that doesn’t work, I am double majoring in the ITi major at my school because I have plenty of space to fit the credits before 2023. If my plan B doesn’t work out, I can atleast have a job once I come out of graduation.


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Nothing too difficult this sem, retaking calc 1, two online classes, a class for my psych minor and a core class. I was hoping to use this sem to study for bio 2 and chem 2 in advance.

What were your grades in each class? Seems to have been a fairly easy schedule, so while a 3.4 is an upward trend, it may not be strong enough given most of the classes were easy aside from calculus which was a (3rd?) retake. You are moving in the right direction though!

Hey guys, thought I’d provide an update. My results came in and I ended last semester with a 3.4. Although not the best, it’s certainly provided confidence for the next sem. I now have a 2.2 gpa(1.9 before). I can get it to a 2.5 by end of spring sem only if I end with a 4.0 while attempting 20 credits. I would like feedback on this plan. I also plan on extending my graduation to 2023. Goal is to reach the 3.0 cutoff and apply to an SMP.

Definitely do not attempt 20 credits. You will take 3 steps backward. Take your time on this journey and don’t try to rush things. You can’t afford even one more bad semester. Buckle down for a long ride. Try adding one EC next semester for 4 hours a week. See how that goes with taking 12-15 hours of credits that include one or two premed classes.
 
Thanks. Happy New Years to you as well. I am fine with DO as well but would a post-SMP application to an MD be enough as well? Realistically I am happy with either but I would like to get into an MD program, if possible.


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Are you URM? If so, there may be a chance for MD if you get a great MCAT, upward GPA trend, and exceptional EC
 
What were your grades in each class? Seems to have been a fairly easy schedule, so while a 3.4 is an upward trend, it may not be strong enough given most of the classes were easy aside from calculus which was a (3rd?) retake. You are moving in the right direction though!



Definitely do not attempt 20 credits. You will take 3 steps backward. Take your time on this journey and don’t try to rush things. You can’t afford even one more bad semester. Buckle down for a long ride. Try adding one EC next semester for 4 hours a week. See how that goes with taking 12-15 hours of credits that include one or two premed classes.

Thanks for replying. I am not taking any pre med classes until Fall 2020. My goal is to get my gpa up first so these are the following classes I’ll be taking the upcoming semester: Abnormal Psychology(3 creds) , Health Psychology(3 creds) , an ITI class(3 creds), a core class(3 creds), my writing internship(3 creds), and hopefully add another class or two to reach 20 creds.


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Yeah that makes sense. I think I will take 16 credits for now and give myself time to focus on ECs as well. Thanks for advising, SDN has helped me a lot and I will always be grateful.


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Hey everyone,
I hope everyone is doing well in these times. I just wanted to update you guys with my current situation and hopefully use some advice going forward on what I should do. I am going to end this semester with a 3.7 and while it is an improvement from last semester, it took me a lot just to get to that gpa and that's without taking any science classes. Next semester will be first time I will attempt science classes since last year. These are the following science courses I will be taking: General Biology II, Bio Lab, General Chemistry II, chem lab. I have all the material with me for the classes and hope to use it to prepare ahead in the summer. I need advice on how I should approach this. I want to get involved in two to three clubs that I am sure will take a lot of time because not only are my ECs lacking but also because I still haven't found a support group that can help me during my undergrad. However, after this semester's performance, I am not sure if joining clubs is the right decision at this time. I would much rather just focus on studying and hiring a personal tutor if needed to get my gpa up to a 2.9 by the end of Spring 2021(2.4 as of now), that's if I get 4.0s. I know for sure I can't get a 4.0 if I get involved heavily in clubs. In fact, part of my anxiety comes from this fact and I have trouble deciding on what route I should take because on one end, having a support group and being involved in undergrad can help become better mentally however at the same time, I think just focusing purely on academics next year should be the right move. Maybe someone who is older and experienced can provide advice with my situation. As always, any advice and feedback is appreciated, please let me know!
 
I am not sure if I have mentioned this but I also plan to graduate in 2023. I started undergrad in 2017, so if all goes well, I can end with a 3.1-3.2 range, which should put me in the range of an SMP program at least. Will taking two extra years be a hindrance to med school admissions?
 
I am not sure if I have mentioned this but I also plan to graduate in 2023. I started undergrad in 2017, so if all goes well, I can end with a 3.1-3.2 range, which should put me in the range of an SMP program at least. Will taking two extra years be a hindrance to med school admissions?
Nope, not at all.
 
Congrats on your progress! It sounds like you are hesitant about getting involved in 3 clubs, and I think your instincts are 100% correct. Why let a club derail your hard work? You need to do whatever you do to manage your mental health, get the resources you need to ace your classes, and do something fun on the side. I'd recommend doing one or two activities that you GENUINELY enjoy, that make you feel rejuvenated, and that you would do for fun even if you weren't pursuing medicine. If you're not graduating until 2023 you have PLENTY of time to volunteer between now and then. As you've realized, doing GPA repair is a long and exhausting process and certainly more difficult than accumulating volunteer hours. You can volunteer over the summer and/or once you are sure that it won't interfere with your studies.
 
Congrats on your progress! It sounds like you are hesitant about getting involved in 3 clubs, and I think your instincts are 100% correct. Why let a club derail your hard work? You need to do whatever you do to manage your mental health, get the resources you need to ace your classes, and do something fun on the side. I'd recommend doing one or two activities that you GENUINELY enjoy, that make you feel rejuvenated, and that you would do for fun even if you weren't pursuing medicine. If you're not graduating until 2023 you have PLENTY of time to volunteer between now and then. As you've realized, doing GPA repair is a long and exhausting process and certainly more difficult than accumulating volunteer hours. You can volunteer over the summer and/or once you are sure that it won't interfere with your studies.
Thanks for replying! Yeah I really hope to get help as soon as I can go back at the earliest to my university. My only reason as to why I want to get involved in clubs is because I need a support group to lean on during the semester. This and last semester I found myself having to do it all on my own and it took a toll on me mentally. I definitely plan on volunteering during summer and winter breaks as well!
 
Not to be mean but I couldn’t help but wonder what makes you so set on medicine as a career in the first place? There is a lot of science and studying ahead and also a lot of stress and debt. Introductory biology courses are the easiest level in the game.
 
Not to be mean but I couldn’t help but wonder what makes you so set on medicine as a career in the first place? There is a lot of science and studying ahead and also a lot of stress and debt. Introductory biology courses are the easiest level in the game.
Thanks for replying. I appreciate the concern but I truly want to be a doctor. I believe I can do it but I also need to recognize my stress and weaknesses in my mental health and I want to get help as soon as I can post pandemic.
 
Thanks for replying. I appreciate the concern but I truly want to be a doctor. I believe I can do it but I also need to recognize my stress and weaknesses in my mental health and I want to get help as soon as I can post pandemic.
Good for you. 🙂
I just know that as a premed I put medicine on a pedestal. And I felt like it was the only career in the world. I don’t really think that anymore especially after seeing my loan statements lol.
Anyways best of luck to you!
 
Hello I hope all is well. I really could use feedback on my current plan. As mentioned, I plan to graduate in 6 years, from 2017-2023. If I average 3.7 gpa per semester from now, I can hit the 3.0 mark. However, I understand that a 3.0 is not enough for medical schools provided the competition and the average gpa is much higher than a 3.0. Thus, I plan to apply to an SMP program because I've heard most programs have a 3.0 gpa requirement? Of course, I will apply with an MCAT score and with all my ECs. Can anyone give me feedback on if this plan is realistic and if there's anything I need to change? Please let me know and thank you for your time!
 
Do you NEED to graduate in 6 years?

If you can graduate in two or three more years, with solid grades in every semester - then apply for SMPs, that would be ideal. No need to spend more time in your bachelors than you have to. There are more robust reinvention strategies compared to staying for another four years if you don't have to.

Other than that your plan sounds good. Push your stats above 3.0. Kill that SMP. Kill that MCAT.
 
Do you NEED to graduate in 6 years?

If you can graduate in two or three more years, with solid grades in every semester - then apply for SMPs, that would be ideal. No need to spend more time in your bachelors than you have to. There are more robust reinvention strategies compared to staying for another four years if you don't have to.

Other than that your plan sounds good. Push your stats above 3.0. Kill that SMP. Kill that MCAT.
Thanks for replying back! From now, I only need to stay 3 more years and then apply to an SMP. The reason I need the extra time is so that I don't rush the process and build my ECs on the side as well.
 
Yeah Ik it’s a bit unrealistic to pursue this path still but this is what I want to do. I really want to be a doctor and I have to try again. Thank you for your advice.

Good luck. It's an uphill battle. Have a plan B and plan C for life.

Seeing the updates, it looks like you've come a long way from initial failing to now making A's. Keep it up. Bring that gpa up, and consider applying to DO and Caribbean programs.
 
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Thanks for replying! Yeah I really hope to get help as soon as I can go back at the earliest to my university. My only reason as to why I want to get involved in clubs is because I need a support group to lean on during the semester. This and last semester I found myself having to do it all on my own and it took a toll on me mentally. I definitely plan on volunteering during summer and winter breaks as well!

Hi there. I replied to your original post awhile ago. Great job on the hard work and improving your GPA!

This comment "My only reason as to why I want to get involved in clubs is because I need a support group to lean on during the semester. This and last semester I found myself having to do it all on my own and it took a toll on me mentally." stuck out to me a lot.

When you were taking classes in-person, did you ever study with your classmates? Such as joining or starting a study group, or even just having a couple people who you would check answers with, ask to explain something you don't understand, or if you make your own study guides, flashcards, or other form of virtual studying (such as quizlet) sharing those with each other?

To me, it doesn't seem like this the solution to finding a support group to lean on is joining clubs, but making connections in each of your classes with one or a few people. Then, you have a support group, and also have people to help motivate you and help you with studying for that class since they are doing it too.

It is as simple as the first day of class asking people who seem nice and like good students (organized, prepared, working hard in class) to do a phone and email exchange. Then, when you are working on homework or an assignment, it is easy to text or email someone if you are stuck. Or ask someone what they think might be on the test, or arrange a study group. Or talk to when you are worried about an upcoming test. Once you have someone's contact information, it makes it easy to form a connection and have a support group.

As an introvert who has social anxiety in some situations, I made friends quite quickly just by making my own study guides and offering to share them with classmates and doing the phone/email exchange.

Also, if what you are after is gaining a support group to lean on, I would look at joining clubs that are more oriented on supporting each other rather than doing a specific task or thing. For example, at my college, the psychology club was more focused on acceptance and support than discussing psychology in an academic sense (one meet-up, they talked about their challenges they were having in college). They also did more fun things, like holding movie nights and bake sales. A group that is more like that rather than a challenging club where you have to prepare in advance (which could take a significant amount of time from your classes and studying) and participate in competitions seems a better fit for what you are looking for.

Or if there is a pre-med club, maybe join that instead since it'll help you connect with other pre-med people.

It also seems like, much like myself, you seem more focused on planning for far out in the future, rather than focusing on the right now, or the next assignment. It is helpful for planners to have a rough idea of what their life will look like in the next 2-5 years, but quite a few of your posts are focused on getting into SMP, taking the MCAT, MD/DO, and planning farther out into the future.

You have a confirmation that your plan is good, so now is the time to focus back on the immediate.

I really do not recommend using your summer to self-study. That typically only results in burn out once you actually start school work. Right before school starts and during the school year, for biology and chemistry, I really recommend reading the entire chapter and working on problems (and even making flashcards/quizlet/study guide while going through it) the day before class, that way during class, it is review and your 2nd time seeing the material. Then, while you are reading and practicing on problems in advance, for anything that you are confused on still after the lecture on the chapter, you can ask your professor during class if there is time or office hours.

Same for labs. Read the lab the day before, make sure you fully understand it, and try to find anything relating to what you will be doing in your book to gain a better understanding. Make sure you set up your lab notebook in advance as well.

For things that you struggle with, I would see if there is a crash course video or other video on youtube on it. Make use of office hours.

One thing to really start to think about it is that as you take more science courses, it isn't only about getting a good grade. You need to understand and know the material in order to do well and not struggle as much in the next class. It is easy to cram and get an A, but when you go onto the next thing, your lack of understanding of a topic will make things a lot harder. The classes you are taking next have material that will be on the MCAT. Understanding the information is vital to being successful, not just getting an A.

I know you had a better overall GPA your previous semester, but what was your grade in Biology 1 and Chemistry 1 and how much of the material do you feel that you understood? Did you like or enjoy the material at all?

Are you taking anymore classes with biology 2 w/ lab and chemistry 2 w/ lab?
 
Hi there. I replied to your original post awhile ago. Great job on the hard work and improving your GPA!

This comment "My only reason as to why I want to get involved in clubs is because I need a support group to lean on during the semester. This and last semester I found myself having to do it all on my own and it took a toll on me mentally." stuck out to me a lot.

When you were taking classes in-person, did you ever study with your classmates? Such as joining or starting a study group, or even just having a couple people who you would check answers with, ask to explain something you don't understand, or if you make your own study guides, flashcards, or other form of virtual studying (such as quizlet) sharing those with each other?

To me, it doesn't seem like this the solution to finding a support group to lean on is joining clubs, but making connections in each of your classes with one or a few people. Then, you have a support group, and also have people to help motivate you and help you with studying for that class since they are doing it too.

It is as simple as the first day of class asking people who seem nice and like good students (organized, prepared, working hard in class) to do a phone and email exchange. Then, when you are working on homework or an assignment, it is easy to text or email someone if you are stuck. Or ask someone what they think might be on the test, or arrange a study group. Or talk to when you are worried about an upcoming test. Once you have someone's contact information, it makes it easy to form a connection and have a support group.

As an introvert who has social anxiety in some situations, I made friends quite quickly just by making my own study guides and offering to share them with classmates and doing the phone/email exchange.

Also, if what you are after is gaining a support group to lean on, I would look at joining clubs that are more oriented on supporting each other rather than doing a specific task or thing. For example, at my college, the psychology club was more focused on acceptance and support than discussing psychology in an academic sense (one meet-up, they talked about their challenges they were having in college). They also did more fun things, like holding movie nights and bake sales. A group that is more like that rather than a challenging club where you have to prepare in advance (which could take a significant amount of time from your classes and studying) and participate in competitions seems a better fit for what you are looking for.

Or if there is a pre-med club, maybe join that instead since it'll help you connect with other pre-med people.

It also seems like, much like myself, you seem more focused on planning for far out in the future, rather than focusing on the right now, or the next assignment. It is helpful for planners to have a rough idea of what their life will look like in the next 2-5 years, but quite a few of your posts are focused on getting into SMP, taking the MCAT, MD/DO, and planning farther out into the future.

You have a confirmation that your plan is good, so now is the time to focus back on the immediate.

I really do not recommend using your summer to self-study. That typically only results in burn out once you actually start school work. Right before school starts and during the school year, for biology and chemistry, I really recommend reading the entire chapter and working on problems (and even making flashcards/quizlet/study guide while going through it) the day before class, that way during class, it is review and your 2nd time seeing the material. Then, while you are reading and practicing on problems in advance, for anything that you are confused on still after the lecture on the chapter, you can ask your professor during class if there is time or office hours.

Same for labs. Read the lab the day before, make sure you fully understand it, and try to find anything relating to what you will be doing in your book to gain a better understanding. Make sure you set up your lab notebook in advance as well.

For things that you struggle with, I would see if there is a crash course video or other video on youtube on it. Make use of office hours.

One thing to really start to think about it is that as you take more science courses, it isn't only about getting a good grade. You need to understand and know the material in order to do well and not struggle as much in the next class. It is easy to cram and get an A, but when you go onto the next thing, your lack of understanding of a topic will make things a lot harder. The classes you are taking next have material that will be on the MCAT. Understanding the information is vital to being successful, not just getting an A.

I know you had a better overall GPA your previous semester, but what was your grade in Biology 1 and Chemistry 1 and how much of the material do you feel that you understood? Did you like or enjoy the material at all?

Are you taking anymore classes with biology 2 w/ lab and chemistry 2 w/ lab?

Thank you so much for taking the time to reply for me. The above you have mentioned are absolutely the right way to go about in gaining a support group for the future because I have had issues with just talking to people due to social anxiety and low self esteem for obvious reasons. I am hoping as each semester passes by, I can be stronger in dealing with these issues. Looking back on this year, I lived alone in my dorm in a single by myself with no roommates. Dealing with that along with barely any friends during the school year has been hard for me. Once the pandemic hit, my mental health deteriorated significantly because I couldn't interact with people or go outside, which made my school work harder. However, I am slowly regaining myself mentally this summer by trying to workout more, study something for an hour or two, do online volunteering and trying to catch up with people from my high school. I am realizing that as I keep myself busy doing various things, I feel more motivated and inclined to study more and do better. That's why I would like your advice on how I should approach this semester. If I go back to school, I am going to be living with three other friends I know, and I plan to join two competitive clubs that has practices throughout the week along with competitions every saturday. I know you said that competitive clubs usually takes time away for studying for my classes. But I realized that maybe I should keep my schedule busy enough throughout the semester so that I don't slip back to my old mental state. This way i can be motivated to stay on top of my schoolwork. Of course, the safer approach is to not join these two competitive clubs and just focus on the studying but in the past, when I have too much free time in my schedule, I find myself worrying too much unnecessarily, sometimes the whole nights about my future and its uncertainties. You're also absolutely right in that I shouldn't plan too much and think too ahead because the future is uncertain and its better to focus on the now. I have two approaches, as mentioned above, that I would like to go through with in the semester and hopefully, with your advice, I can go through with the right perspective. I know this is really personal and I apologize if this isn't the place to post this but I could use your perspective on how I should approach this.
 
Thank you so much for taking the time to reply for me. The above you have mentioned are absolutely the right way to go about in gaining a support group for the future because I have had issues with just talking to people due to social anxiety and low self esteem for obvious reasons. I am hoping as each semester passes by, I can be stronger in dealing with these issues. Looking back on this year, I lived alone in my dorm in a single by myself with no roommates. Dealing with that along with barely any friends during the school year has been hard for me. Once the pandemic hit, my mental health deteriorated significantly because I couldn't interact with people or go outside, which made my school work harder. However, I am slowly regaining myself mentally this summer by trying to workout more, study something for an hour or two, do online volunteering and trying to catch up with people from my high school. I am realizing that as I keep myself busy doing various things, I feel more motivated and inclined to study more and do better. That's why I would like your advice on how I should approach this semester. If I go back to school, I am going to be living with three other friends I know, and I plan to join two competitive clubs that has practices throughout the week along with competitions every saturday. I know you said that competitive clubs usually takes time away for studying for my classes. But I realized that maybe I should keep my schedule busy enough throughout the semester so that I don't slip back to my old mental state. This way i can be motivated to stay on top of my schoolwork. Of course, the safer approach is to not join these two competitive clubs and just focus on the studying but in the past, when I have too much free time in my schedule, I find myself worrying too much unnecessarily, sometimes the whole nights about my future and its uncertainties. You're also absolutely right in that I shouldn't plan too much and think too ahead because the future is uncertain and its better to focus on the now. I have two approaches, as mentioned above, that I would like to go through with in the semester and hopefully, with your advice, I can go through with the right perspective. I know this is really personal and I apologize if this isn't the place to post this but I could use your perspective on how I should approach this.

Hi there! Certainly 🙂 I believe you said you were working with a therapist, but if you aren't currently, be sure you are to have them help you with your social anxiety and self-esteem. Try to remember that you have made HUGE strides towards improving yourself, and you need to celebrate your accomplishments rather than look down at yourself for past mistakes or not being perfect. Much easier said then done, I know. What works for me is writing down a list of ways I have improved (academically, socially, mentally, physically, anyway at all) over a certain time period, and a list of my accomplishments so far. Having to take time to write it down and reflect on the positive things I have done really helps when the negative train of thought wants to take over. I also feel like journaling in general when I am a poor mood or feeling lousy is very helpful. I use a private, online journal called penzu.

It must have been hard living on your alone for the first time and not having any close friends either. When I transitioned from high school to college, I struggled not having my sister with me in classes as I had through grade school. I moved in with my boyfriend though before starting college, so I had his support at least. I can't imagine going from living at home to an empty door room as someone that understand the struggle of making friends as an adult.

I'm sorry that your mental health took a dive during the pandemic. It sounds like you found ways to cope to the best of your ability during it, so already, you are making progress to bettering your mental health 🙂

I don't think that there is any one right way to gain a support group, but different ways that accomplish different things. You seem to be very excited about the method that you are wanting to try, which is to join two competitive clubs. Your reasoning seems well thought out, and logical. You have realized that being alone for long periods of time is not good for your mental health right now, and if you have too much down time that you start to get in a negative thought loop. Being a part of two very active clubs sounds like it could be a very good thing for you based off of all of this.

One thing that you should also remember is that you are free to drop a club at ANY time during the year. Sure, if you have a big role like vice president or something it is sucky for the remaining club members to do, but your GPA and mental health is top priority. So if you ever feel yourself getting overwhelmed, you can always drop one or even both clubs if they are causing more negative outcomes then positive. You have the freedom to do whatever you need to do to accomplish your goals.

I know you said you weren't going to, but just to reiterate, I highly agree with everyone else to not overwhelm yourself with courses and to even attempt a heavy 16+ credit course load. It is not worth it to overload yourself like that when you are still getting the hang of things.

Your plan for next semester sounds good though. Living with 3 friends will definitely be an improvement compared to living on your own, and the clubs sounds like it will be enjoyable and a nice way to relax a little bit (compared to doing homework and studying for hard sciences).

Definitely take a semester, a year, or however long you need to improve your mental health if you need to though. There is no shame in taking time off to make sure you in the right place to do well academically.

I've realized over the years though that people often know themselves better than they think or than other people. If you are confident that going back to school this fall, moving in with your friends, and joining the clubs is what you need to be happy and successful, then I think you should try it if you feel ready and confident.

I also wanted to touch on your comment about "You're also absolutely right in that I shouldn't plan too much and think too ahead because the future is uncertain and its better to focus on the now." I don't know what it is exactly, but somehow I got a negative feeling when I read this. There is a good chance I am misinterpreting tone as it is hard to understand tone through the internet, but to me, I saw this as that why bother planning farther out if I don't know if I will even make it to that point.

If that is how you felt when writing that, that is certainly true to some extent. However, I more was referring to the fact that you have done the research and have a basic idea of what to do, so it just makes more sense to focus your time, energy, and effort on the immediate future rather than stressing out about the far future. Nothing wrong about thinking about the far future, as long as it doesn't compromise the near future. Again, good chance I am misinterpreting this though! 🙂

There are thousands of pre-meds who had a rough start and reinvented themselves. You can and WILL be one of them! (Unless you decide you don't like being pre-med and want to do something else with your life, then you will be one of whoever else you want to be) Believe in yourself and be proud of how far you have come. Tell yourself I WILL be a doctor one day.

Hope this helps 🙂
 
Hello all, I hope everyone is doing well during these hard times. I can again use some advice what I should do. As you know, I have a 2.4 gpa. My goal is to raise it to 2.8 by the end of this year and I want to do it by taking one science class per semester. I will be taking bio 2 w/ lab for fall and chem 2 w/ lab spring. I’ll take orgo and physics together and two science classes per sem after this year. The reason I want to do one science class per sem is because I know I do not yet have the confidence or in the right mental state to attempt two sciences while taking online classes at home. I made this judgement based on how badly my mental state was last semester. My concern is will med schools look at this sign as someone who’s taking it easy and not challenging themself? Will they hold that against me? Last thing I need is to hurt my application. Another concern is if this year is online how will med schools judge my application. Will they think I am only increasing my gpa because it was all online? My hope to counteract this bias is to prove myself in my orgo physics classes and upper levels for the rest of my undergrad. Time is not an issue. And DO/MD are both fine. I’ll do anything to become a doctor so please let me know if I am heading in the right direction. @Goro please let me know what you think
 
Hello all, I hope everyone is doing well during these hard times. I can again use some advice what I should do. As you know, I have a 2.4 gpa. My goal is to raise it to 2.8 by the end of this year and I want to do it by taking one science class per semester. I will be taking bio 2 w/ lab for fall and chem 2 w/ lab spring. I’ll take orgo and physics together and two science classes per sem after this year. The reason I want to do one science class per sem is because I know I do not yet have the confidence or in the right mental state to attempt two sciences while taking online classes at home. I made this judgement based on how badly my mental state was last semester. My concern is will med schools look at this sign as someone who’s taking it easy and not challenging themself? Will they hold that against me? Last thing I need is to hurt my application. Another concern is if this year is online how will med schools judge my application. Will they think I am only increasing my gpa because it was all online? My hope to counteract this bias is to prove myself in my orgo physics classes and upper levels for the rest of my undergrad. Time is not an issue. And DO/MD are both fine. I’ll do anything to become a doctor so please let me know if I am heading in the right direction. @Goro please let me know what you think
Taking one class/semester is not going to give me or any other Adcom confidence that you can handle med school. Look you owe it to yourself to prove it.
HOW do you know that you can handle med school? Magic thinking doesn't work.

Because this crisis is likely to be over by next fall (as a vaccine should be out by then), you can't be taking online courses forever, nor 1-2/year.

Med schools aren't going anywhere; take all the time you need.

EDIT: if you feel that even now that "I know I do not yet have the confidence or in the right mental state to attempt two sciences while taking online classes at home", then your mental health issues still are not under control. That has to be taken care of first.
 
@Goro Thank you for taking the time to reply back. Worst case scenario is we have online classes for a year I believe I can only attempt one science class with lab, but Ill be taking other psych courses and my minor courses to supplement that. My only weakness lies in home instruction and that's fatal for me without the access to tutoring and office hours. Once things go back to normal, I will definitely attempt two sciences per semester.
 
@Goro Thank you for taking the time to reply back. Worst case scenario is we have online classes for a year I believe I can only attempt one science class with lab, but Ill be taking other psych courses and my minor courses to supplement that. My only weakness lies in home instruction and that's fatal for me without the access to tutoring and office hours. Once things go back to normal, I will definitely attempt two sciences per semester.
Your school should be making tutoring and office hours online. My school has mandated all faculty have online office hours, for example.
 
@Goro Thank you for letting me know about that! I haven't received any emails from my university regarding these online services but I will definitely look in to it now. Thank you
 
@Goro Thank you for letting me know about that! I haven't received any emails from my university regarding these online services but I will definitely look in to it now. Thank you
Contact student services in particular about tutoring. Then the program director about that and office hours.
 
Right now, taking 1 science class at a time is not going to cut it. If you need to take time off for mental health then do it. Please be realistic about this goal you have. This GPA repair is going to be a 5+ year process from now and you have to decide if you can take that.
 
@Goro Thank you for taking the time to reply back. Worst case scenario is we have online classes for a year I believe I can only attempt one science class with lab, but Ill be taking other psych courses and my minor courses to supplement that. My only weakness lies in home instruction and that's fatal for me without the access to tutoring and office hours. Once things go back to normal, I will definitely attempt two sciences per semester.

Why don’t you take non-science Classes online during the pandemic? If you aren’t taking a science with a lab you could take 4-5 (13-15 hours)other classes each semester . You can’t continue to go part time. At some point you need to be a full time student. But the first thing you have to do is get your mental health issues dealt with. It really sounds like you are still struggling in this area. Good luck!
 
Many universities are hosting online science and science lab classes due to covid. Research schools and call them

You can also look into UNE Online science prereqs. There is a decent UNE thread on here with an active community that can support you

I agree that taking 1 class per semester is too little. Think 3~5 classes. Not all of them need to be science. Two schools at minimum.

Question - how were your academics in high school?
 
@candbgirl thank you for replying! I was never actually a part time student, I have always taken 15 creds min. Throughout my undergrad. Sorry for not clarifying. This sem I will be taking bio 2 bio lab along with three non science classes to a total of 15 creds. Plan to do the same thing with chem 2 chem lab for spring.
 
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