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Pinner Doc

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... what is the best specialty to go into if you've become the person who is so sick and tired of living MEDICINE 99% of the time, and just want to come home at the end of the day and honestly say to yourself, "I work to live, not live to work." ??

Honestly, I'm so burned out.
 
Radiology hands down.
 
Neurosurgery.

Oh wait, got the motto backwards.
 
KentW said:
Family medicine. It's the ultimate lifestyle specialty.
Ironically, that's what I'm finishing up right now!

How did you get "so burned out" doing Family Medicine, if I may ask?

To an outsider, the hours are not long, you can develop many satisfying relationships, and if someone is too sick you send them to the ED. What's the problem?

Moreover, if you are almost an attending, why ask medical students for their opinion? Just wondering.
 
How did you get "so burned out" doing Family Medicine, if I may ask?

To an outsider, the hours are not long, you can develop many satisfying relationships, and if someone is too sick you send them to the ED. What's the problem?

Moreover, if you are almost an attending, why ask medical students for their opinion? Just wondering.

The OP (pinner) is a medical student.😕
 
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How did you get "so burned out" doing Family Medicine, if I may ask?

To an outsider, the hours are not long, you can develop many satisfying relationships, and if someone is too sick you send them to the ED. What's the problem?

Moreover, if you are almost an attending, why ask medical students for their opinion? Just wondering.

I'm a med student, not a resident.
And I wouldn't say that the family medicine rotation per se burned me out... I think it's a factor of months and months of third year of med school.
 
I'm a med student, not a resident.
And I wouldn't say that the family medicine rotation per se burned me out... I think it's a factor of months and months of third year of med school.

whoops, when you said you were finishing up family medicine, I thought you meant the residency, sorry (it's been a strange day).
SO, in that case, don't worry about it, you are just tired and need a vacation is all. Sometimes I think 3rd year is so tiring because there is so little responsibility and there is too much downtime.

To answer your question, I say EM, because you're off when you're off, no call, work less hours than most specialties, and have the most fun. Ironically, it's the only rotation that hasn't made me feel burnt out. 😉
 
radiology, period. i thought i wanted to do this, but i realized i would miss patient interaction. some people told me this is naive, and that patient contact will become annoying very quickly, but I hope they are wrong
 
Oh Pinner, I know what you mean. I need a vacation like nobody's business. Good luck on Neuro. . .sheesh, that experience made me want to vomit on a daily basis.😱
 
what a bunch of p*ss**s.

Be a man and do orthopedics. We live to work hard, play harder:meanie: .
 
How about EM? It's shiftwork, no call, and your schedule is typically flexible.
 
To answer your question, I say EM, because you're off when you're off, no call, work less hours than most specialties, and have the most fun. Ironically, it's the only rotation that hasn't made me feel burnt out. 😉

This always sounds great, but doesn't EM have one of the highest burn out rates in medicine? That's what the attendings in my hospital have said, and believe me, they look and act burned out.
 
This always sounds great, but doesn't EM have one of the highest burn out rates in medicine? That's what the attendings in my hospital have said, and believe me, they look and act burned out.

I heard that a lot too. However, when I brought that up on an EM rotation at a highly regarded program, the PD told me that most of those burnout stats were collected when the percentage of EM docs without formal EM training was much higher. Burnout surveys done only asking EM docs board certified in EM show rates comparable to most other specialties.
 
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Radiology hands down.

I think with all of these opinions, it also depends on where you work (ie: community vs academics) and how many other docs work in the same location.

For example, I did a community general surgery rotation earlier in the year, and my preceptor told me that he thought the radiologists might even work harder than he does. He has a good practice with 4 surgeons in town so the call is ok. He said the radiologists were in every weekday from about 8-5 or 6 whereas he has office half days on Fridays and his office started at 9am (but he would have to round in the AM if he had any post-op patients in hospital), OR days started at 7:30 and most days often ended around 3-4pm.

I think if you want lifestyle only in a field where you can still do research, etc, path is probably a great choice. As long as you wouldn't mind doing autopsies.... I worked in a lab down the hall from the morgue and the smells coming out of there sometimes were not pleasant!
 
This always sounds great, but doesn't EM have one of the highest burn out rates in medicine? That's what the attendings in my hospital have said, and believe me, they look and act burned out.

I can't speak for your EPs, but according to the old studies when EM was mainly a hodge-podge of rif-raffs from other specialties, this was true. According to the most recent studies, we have one of the highest levels of career satisfaction and normal burnout levels (I would give you the ref, but it was just presented at the conference I am attending yesterday). The trick is to do what invigorates you as an individual.
 
of all the attendings I know the radiologist seem the happiest outside of work & spend the most time with their families
 
whoops, when you said you were finishing up family medicine, I thought you meant the residency, sorry (it's been a strange day).
SO, in that case, don't worry about it, you are just tired and need a vacation is all. Sometimes I think 3rd year is so tiring because there is so little responsibility and there is too much downtime.

I think third can be difficult because we students are shifted from one preceptor to another, and have no/little experience with the rotation we are on when we start it. One way of presenting for attending x, may be expected, but when you present to attending y, you may be doing it wrong in their eyes. We do have alot of responsibilities on rotations compared to first and second year, however, it is very frustrating knowing what those responsbilities are. I.e. versus having to get urine cultures ourselves on medicine rotations, because the nurses won't, versus sucking up smoke with a bovie in surgery, and getting yelled at for not cutting the right length. Fourth year and later is so much better because at least you know enough that you can do alot on your own, and the attendings have less and less power to harass you. I know residents still get their share of abuse, but, it is nothing compared to what I have seen students get IMHO. Residency would be maddening if you had to say rotate through all the specialties every three months, and expected to perform on the level of a resident. It matters a great deal if the residents at your program are happy, or not, a malignant program will lose residents at all years of training, I have seen it myself.
 
... what is the best specialty to go into if you've become the person who is so sick and tired of living MEDICINE 99% of the time, and just want to come home at the end of the day and honestly say to yourself, "I work to live, not live to work." ??

Honestly, I'm so burned out.


You need to figure out what is burning you out.

The hours
The patients
The work
The paperwork

What do you LIKE about medicine?

For most its easier to rule certain specialties OUT than it is to select your life path.

Let us know what you specifically like and dont like.
 
whoops, when you said you were finishing up family medicine, I thought you meant the residency, sorry (it's been a strange day).
SO, in that case, don't worry about it, you are just tired and need a vacation is all. Sometimes I think 3rd year is so tiring because there is so little responsibility and there is too much downtime.

To answer your question, I say EM, because you're off when you're off, no call, work less hours than most specialties, and have the most fun. Ironically, it's the only rotation that hasn't made me feel burnt out. 😉

Had an interesting chat with a bunch of attendings that other day. They were all in their 40s and 50s and sort of bemused that medical students consider EM a "lifestyle" specialty. Sure, you work fewer hours than other people but you work. They all said they pretty much come home and are just dead at the end of a shift. Compared to the ROAD specialties compensation is low and the work is much harder.

To the OP: if you are really sick of medicine as an M3 I would say it's time to look at stuff like Derm, Radiology, Path, Psych etc. It's only going to get harder from here...
 
Thanks all. Basically, I'm just burned out. And I'm content to think that any normal, sane person would be.

I'll keep on keeping on, and you'll likely see me in EM or FM (to be determined this summer after I finally get some EM exposure) somewhere down the road.
 
I think third can be difficult because we students are shifted from one preceptor to another, and have no/little experience with the rotation we are on when we start it. One way of presenting for attending x, may be expected, but when you present to attending y, you may be doing it wrong in their eyes. We do have alot of responsibilities on rotations compared to first and second year, however, it is very frustrating knowing what those responsbilities are. I.e. versus having to get urine cultures ourselves on medicine rotations, because the nurses won't, versus sucking up smoke with a bovie in surgery, and getting yelled at for not cutting the right length. Fourth year and later is so much better because at least you know enough that you can do alot on your own, and the attendings have less and less power to harass you. I know residents still get their share of abuse, but, it is nothing compared to what I have seen students get IMHO. Residency would be maddening if you had to say rotate through all the specialties every three months, and expected to perform on the level of a resident. It matters a great deal if the residents at your program are happy, or not, a malignant program will lose residents at all years of training, I have seen it myself.


100% truth.
 
Thanks all. Basically, I'm just burned out. And I'm content to think that any normal, sane person would be.

I'll keep on keeping on, and you'll likely see me in EM or FM (to be determined this summer after I finally get some EM exposure) somewhere down the road.

It's nice knowing that there are others out there who are tired of 3rd. Everyone said it would answer my questions on what kind of physician I would enjoy being... and instead it has provided many more questions.

-For instance, I completely enjoyed surgeries and felt that I could be a very competent surgeon, but the life of a surgeon is an ominous black cloud on the horizon.
-Is FM a cop-out for me? Probably, but it does have a super sweet life outside the clinic.
-EM is fun, but is it sustainable as a career. I'm not sure I want to be pulling 36 hours at the ripe age of 50.

So here's to a year off after graduation to see if I even want to keep this up!
 
Medpilot, I love your avatar!
 
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-EM is fun, but is it sustainable as a career. I'm not sure I want to be pulling 36 hours at the ripe age of 50.

😕 Don't get it. I am going to be at the hospital for about 36hrs starting tomorrow at 6, whereas on EM there are only 8 or 12 hrs shifts as far as I know. Where did you get 36 from?
 
😕 Don't get it. I am going to be at the hospital for about 36hrs starting tomorrow at 6, whereas on EM there are only 8 or 12 hrs shifts as far as I know. Where did you get 36 from?

I'm studying in Israel. The ER here is run by all kinds of docs, without a true designated ER physician. That means every ward in the hospital has to supply a resident for the ER every night on top of the residents on call in the ward. What happens is that they trade up ER time so they can get their share all done in one night/day.

This was my EM experience... I guess the way an ER is run is very different in the states. Either way, EM is fun.
 
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