Indian Parents

[sportsfreak]

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umm, I think you are surprisingly mistaken. I don't think you've seen an Indian community that lives in the U.S. Its not generalizing when there are pockets of Indian parents living throughout the U.S. in major cities that only associate with each other most of the time because theyre the only ones that feel the same way they do about living in the U.S. Either your dumb or your ignorant for not realizing that there is vast discrimination in the white dominated field of medicine in the U.S. You rarely see Indians go into the Ivy's or top tier university affiliated places because of this. They do their best so that the kid doesn't end up on the last rung of the social ladder and get treated like **** which is good.

A lot of the kids that don't become doctors are considered somehow "sub-human" and therefore ostracized themselves when theyre given a chance that they screw up in another field.

I don't know where u came up with this
I graduated recently from a top tier ivy and there is a large population of Indians there

 

[relapse]

I don't know where u came up with this
I graduated recently from a top tier ivy and there is a large population of Indians there

I'm talking about pre-meds that decide to go to India and don't land a residency spot better than somewhere in the bronx ( no offense to new yorkers).

 

[ncguy2005]

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Jeez... this actually reminds me of my dad and brother... neither one of them are doctors, but my dad actually lectures me like this all the time (i've actually heard that I'm going to be "cut off")... and my brother thinks being a division I athlete makes him useful for something...


My dad is from Mumbai by the way...

 

[Emmet2301]

I'm talking about pre-meds that decide to go to India and don't land a residency spot better than somewhere in the bronx ( no offense to new yorkers).

Uh because FMGs usually can only get residencies after all the US students have chosen. Usually they only have the worst places left.......

How is that discrimination?

 

[ncguy2005]

Uh because FMGs usually can only get residencies after all the US students have chosen. Usually they only have the worst places left.......

How is that discrimination?

I don't know if thats always true... several of my relatives did med school in India and came back here and did their residency in highly respected programs... I think it all depends on where you went. Talking to my cousin in India... he's expressed how much he hates going to school there because of how cut throat the competition is for everything in academics... He's actually coming here for undergrad next year.

So I think how competitive the FMG program is will play a role in where opportunities lie as far as residency.

Also, this is the pre-med forum, so most of us (including me) can't really speak according to experience, just speculation.

Edit: I understand what you're saying though... most likely US grads will get first pick.

 

[relapse]

discrimination comes in a lot of forms than the one you just named.

 

[DavidMD2B]

Questions such as this baffle me.

 

[CUSEguy88]

umm, I think you are surprisingly mistaken. I don't think you've seen an Indian community that lives in the U.S. Its not generalizing when there are pockets of Indian parents living throughout the U.S. in major cities that only associate with each other most of the time because theyre the only ones that feel the same way they do about living in the U.S. Either your dumb or your ignorant for not realizing that there is vast discrimination in the white dominated field of medicine in the U.S. You rarely see Indians go into the Ivy's or top tier university affiliated places because of this. They do their best so that the kid doesn't end up on the last rung of the social ladder and get treated like **** which is good.

A lot of the kids that don't become doctors are considered somehow "sub-human" and therefore ostracized themselves when theyre given a chance that they screw up in another field.

Okay, so as an Indian at an Ivy League, I don't really see this blatant discrimination. Yes it is there at first glance, but much of it goes away once you get to know people. The one place I do feel you are correct about discrimination is in medical school admissions because Asians are held to a higher standard.

So I am not sure if you're post os referring to all Indians in America or just those who decide to go to India for their medical school education. However, once you get into a system (make it past admissions), I think this social discrimination will pass not on us first-generation Indian-Americans who are fully integrated. At least my interview experience so far makes me feel this way.

 

[RevMD]

This is funny to me...relapse, why did you ask this question? r ur parents giving you a hard time? My dad (Indian) has been supportive for me but he get's neurotic coming up with ways i could get into med school so when he's like that i just leave him out of it and just dont talk about anything med school related. i take advantage of the fact that he doesnt really understand the med school app process so he wont bother me much. But i also understand when Indian parents go psycho about dating! its probably because traditionally indian parents used to choose potential spouses for their kids. I remember in high schoool, there were a whole bunch of indian girls/guys dating etc behind their parents' back, only to have their parents find out and not know what to do. i know some indian parents threaten to send their kid to india lol.

I dont think the whole Indians want to be doctors thing is necessarily a racial stereotype. It actually has a deeper meaning. My dad comes from a really poor family in India and he viewed a doctor as someone who would make a difference to others as well as provide financial stability for himself and his family. Same goes with careers in engineering or having a PhD. When you come from a poor background getting higher/well-respected status means something. for some, they want their kids to go into these fields because it is what they think is stable. they may sound oppressive when they tell their children to be a doctor/engineer/professor but they really want their children to have a good future or to maintain some status their family has already acheived.

Are you like my long lost sibling? Seriously, you describe my dad so realistically that its surreal.

umm, I think you are surprisingly mistaken. I don't think you've seen an Indian community that lives in the U.S. Its not generalizing when there are pockets of Indian parents living throughout the U.S. in major cities that only associate with each other most of the time because theyre the only ones that feel the same way they do about living in the U.S. Either your dumb or your ignorant for not realizing that there is vast discrimination in the white dominated field of medicine in the U.S. You rarely see Indians go into the Ivy's or top tier university affiliated places because of this. They do their best so that the kid doesn't end up on the last rung of the social ladder and get treated like **** which is good.

A lot of the kids that don't become doctors are considered somehow "sub-human" and therefore ostracized themselves when theyre given a chance that they screw up in another field.

I strongly believe it is you that is either ignorant or misinformed. To say that Indians do not have a strong presence in Ivy league or top 15 colleges is simply wrong. Sure, we may not represent a majority of the student body, but on average Indians usually represent around 5% of the student body (give or take depending on the size). Another 5-10% for the rest of the Asians. I don't see how discrimination is taking place here in terms of admission. Perhaps it just happens to be that many Indians are smart and have what it takes to attend those schools?

And what do you mean by "sub-human"?

 

[Arjuna]

umm, I think you are surprisingly mistaken. I don't think you've seen an Indian community that lives in the U.S. Its not generalizing when there are pockets of Indian parents living throughout the U.S. in major cities that only associate with each other most of the time because theyre the only ones that feel the same way they do about living in the U.S. Either your dumb or your ignorant for not realizing that there is vast discrimination in the white dominated field of medicine in the U.S. You rarely see Indians go into the Ivy's or top tier university affiliated places because of this. They do their best so that the kid doesn't end up on the last rung of the social ladder and get treated like **** which is good.

A lot of the kids that don't become doctors are considered somehow "sub-human" and therefore ostracized themselves when theyre given a chance that they screw up in another field.

Wrong on ALL counts. "pockets of Indian parents living throughout the U.S. in major cities that only associate with each other most of the time because theyre the only ones that feel the same way they do about living in the U.S." What exactly do they feel? The fact that Indians are the richest immigrant class in the US, with nearly 200,000 millionaires?

And as far as "white dominated field of medicine", here are some facts to illuminate your ignorance:

"9. For the period of 2002-03, Indian students remain number 1 in U.S. university enrollments, totaling 74,603, up from the previous year. This accounts for a good 13% of the 586,323 international students. This means the Indian student population in the U.S. has doubled in the last 7 years. The U.S. authorities also appreciate this since it brings in large sums of money for the U.S. economy. It also allows the Indian talent to contribute to the U.S., as well as brings home to India a work force with cutting edge skills.
10. Indian doctors, numbering more than 35,000, constitute over five percent of all physicians in America.
11. Indians constitute ten percent of all medical students in America."

As far as being considered "subhuman", I don't know where you got that from. My parents were pretty clear in telling me what they wanted for me: what I found best. In fact, my sister wants to be a dancer (!) and yet, they don't bat an eye. So keep your stereotypical ideas to yourself, rather than spreading misinformation.

 

[RevMD]

As far as being considered "subhuman", I don't know where you got that from. My parents were pretty clear in telling me what they wanted for me: what I found best. In fact, my sister wants to be a dancer (!) and yet, they don't bat an eye. So keep your stereotypical ideas to yourself, rather than spreading misinformation.

I was thinking along the same lines as to what he meant by "sub-human." Most Indians will either pick a noble profession, like medicine, that will ensure a bright future for their family, or they will pick any field that allows them to display their best skills and interests just like anyone else. We really are not that different. It just happens that we are very good in science and math, which somewhat makes us more inclined to go into fields like medicine, engineering, and chemistry where those skills are most useful. But, this dynamic is rapidly changing as more and more of us are entering business and law, among other fields.

 

[CUSEguy88]

I'm glad you guys responded to relapse. I really am sick and tired of the baseless stereotypes about Indian-Americans going into medicine being propagated by people who want to generalize their specific situations.

Newsflash.... some of us are actually interested in medicine. Yes that may be the result of the values we were raised with, but we're not deemed "sub-human" if we decide on something else.

 

[SMDoc]

I am the oldest child of two 100% born Indian parents born in the US. I believe my parents are great; however, there are times when I feel they can be a little too overprotective.

They pressure us a lot, but they are very supportive. My parents want me to become a doctor, but all health professions are game: pharmacy, podiatry, dentistry. Thankfully, they don't have "medicine is the only profession" mentality.

On the other hand, I love being Indian! Our culture is awesome: we are diverse, we have many religions and languages, we have great food, great dance, great movies, great songs, ect. 😀

Indian 👍

 

[kmd34]

Very well said.
The problem of Indian parents is they love their kids too much. If you don't love some one and he/she is going on wrong path to hell, why should you become strict to him/her? Certain discipline needed to achieve excellent career goal. If kids divert from the path, yes, they become little harsh or overprotective. But ultimately at the end of the show, kids are going to be benefited. We all know, chemotherapy is very painful and unbearable. Are we calling doctor harsh? Doctor is restricting alcohol and some food to his/her patient. Are we calling doctor over protective. I have quote of Muhammad Ali, well known Boxing champion.


“I hated every minute of training, but I said, ''Don't quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.''"

- Muhammad Ali

Is coach of Muhammad Ali was hash/in-human? Indian parents want their kids to be a champion.

I am the oldest child of two 100% born Indian parents born in the US. I believe my parents are great; however, there are times when I feel they can be a little too overprotective.

They pressure us a lot, but they are very supportive. My parents want me to become a doctor, but all health professions are game: pharmacy, podiatry, dentistry. Thankfully, they don't have "medicine is the only profession" mentality.

On the other hand, I love being Indian! Our culture is awesome: we are diverse, we have many religions and languages, we have great food, great dance, great movies, great songs, ect. 😀

Indian 👍

 

[Arjuna]

Very well said.
The problem of Indian parents is they love their kids too much. If you don't love some one and he/she is going on wrong path to hell, why should you become strict to him/her? Certain discipline needed to achieve excellent career goal. If kids divert from the path, yes, they become little harsh or overprotective. But ultimately at the end of the show, kids are going to be benefited. We all know, chemotherapy is very painful and unbearable. Are we calling doctor harsh? Doctor is restricting alcohol and some food to his/her patient. Are we calling doctor over protective. I have quote of Muhammad Ali, well known Boxing champion.


“I hated every minute of training, but I said, ''Don't quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.''"

- Muhammad Ali

Is coach of Muhammad Ali was hash/in-human? Indian parents want their kids to be a champion.

Nicely put. That is an awesome quote, by the way.