I'm a med student. I've seen INFP personality suitable for psychiatry but I'm interested in anesthesiology. Just a curious thought.
I'm a med student. I've seen INFP personality suitable for psychiatry but I'm interested in anesthesiology. Just a curious thought.
I think it's a new thing the schools are all doing now. My school did it. There's probably some studies out there that showed some positive correlation with whatever blah blah blah so now everyone is doing it.What is this obsession with this personality type matching? If you enjoy anesthesiology and u can see yourself doing it for your life then do it.
I respectfully disagree. That is ONE of the requirements. Having the right personality is definitely the MAIN one.What is this obsession with this personality type matching? If you enjoy anesthesiology and u can see yourself doing it for your life then do it.
Agree. But a personality test can be a wakeup call for many people who just don't know themselves well (the younger they are the higher the probability). Some people are just delusional.Meyers-Briggs is a fad that needs to end.
Very happy ISTJ anesthesiologist here, couldn’t imagine doing something else, wouldn’t want to.
When I read about ISTJ, it's not the ideal image of an anesthesiologist, no offense.
I think your personality characterization should be added to the alphabet soup of credentials after your name.
Very happy ISTJ anesthesiologist here, couldn’t imagine doing something else, wouldn’t want to.
Really? Interesting you think that way as many people here spend hours everyday looking at a monitor without talking to anyone. Seems like introvert paradise.Same way: Introvert? Anesthesiology? Fuhgeddaboutit! Will they make a great anesthesiologist? Very possible. Will they be happy? Very unlikely. In a country that values extroverts in general, that's a specialty that values them even more. But, hey, introverts are masochists.
@FFP The research is not agreeing with you.Here are the results of a study that observed the Myers Briggs personality types and the associated medical specialties from 1977 (consider the demographics):
Introverted–Sensing–Thinking–Judging (ISTJ)
Dermatology Obstetrics-gynecology Family practice Urology Orthopedic surgery
Introverted–Sensing–Feeling–Judging (ISFJ)
Anesthesiology Ophthalmology General practice Family practice Pediatrics
Introverted–Sensing–Thinking–Perceptive (ISTP)
Otolaryngology Anesthesiology Radiology Ophthalmology General practice
Introverted–Sensing–Feeling–Perceptive (ISFP)
Anesthesiology Urology Family practice Thoracic surgery General practice
Introverted–Intuitive–Feeling–Judging (INFJ)
Psychiatry Internal medicine Thoracic surgery General surgery Pathology
Extroverted–Sensing–Thinking–Judging (ESTJ)
Obstetrics-gynecology General practice General surgery Orthopedic surgery Pediatrics
Extroverted–Sensing–Feeling–Judging (ESFJ)
Pediatrics Orthopedic surgery Otolaryngology General practice Internal medicine
Extroverted–Intuitive–Feeling–Perceptive (ENFP)
Psychiatry Dermatology Otolaryngology Psychiatry Pediatrics
Introverted–Intuitive–Thinking–Judging (INTJ)
Psychiatry Pathology Neurology Internal medicine Anesthesiology
Introverted–Intuitive–Feeling–Perceptive (INFP)
Psychiatry Cardiology Neurology Dermatology Pathology
Introverted–Intuitive–Thinking–Perceptive (INTP)
Neurology Pathology Psychiatry Cardiology Thoracic surgery
Extroverted–Sensing–Thinking–Perceptive (ESTP)
Orthopedic surgery Dermatology Family practice Radiology General surgery
Extroverted–Sensing–Feeling–Perceptive (ESFP)
Ophthalmology Thoracic surgery Obstetrics‐gynecology Orthopedic surgery General surgery
Extroverted–Intuitive–Thinking–Perceptive (ENTP)
Otolaryngology Psychiatry Radiology Pediatrics Pathology
Extroverted–Intuitive–Feeling–Judging (ENFJ)
Thoracic surgery Dermatology Psychiatry Ophthalmology Radiology
Extroverted–Intuitive–Thinking–Judging (ENTJ)
Neurology Cardiology Urology Thoracic surgery Internal medicine
*Source: McCaulley, M.H. The Myers Longitudinal Medical Study (Monograph II).Gainesville, Fla: Center for Applications of Psychological Type; 1977.
That was 41 years ago! Big difference. 99.9% of anesthesiologists probably worked solo, as partners, back then. I went into medicine, and anesthesia, based on that idea(l).Here are the results of a study that observed the Myers Briggs personality types and the associated medical specialties from 1977 (consider the demographics):
Introverted–Sensing–Thinking–Judging (ISTJ)
Dermatology Obstetrics-gynecology Family practice Urology Orthopedic surgery
Introverted–Sensing–Feeling–Judging (ISFJ)
Anesthesiology Ophthalmology General practice Family practice Pediatrics
Introverted–Sensing–Thinking–Perceptive (ISTP)
Otolaryngology Anesthesiology Radiology Ophthalmology General practice
Introverted–Sensing–Feeling–Perceptive (ISFP)
Anesthesiology Urology Family practice Thoracic surgery General practice
Introverted–Intuitive–Feeling–Judging (INFJ)
Psychiatry Internal medicine Thoracic surgery General surgery Pathology
Extroverted–Sensing–Thinking–Judging (ESTJ)
Obstetrics-gynecology General practice General surgery Orthopedic surgery Pediatrics
Extroverted–Sensing–Feeling–Judging (ESFJ)
Pediatrics Orthopedic surgery Otolaryngology General practice Internal medicine
Extroverted–Intuitive–Feeling–Perceptive (ENFP)
Psychiatry Dermatology Otolaryngology Psychiatry Pediatrics
Introverted–Intuitive–Thinking–Judging (INTJ)
Psychiatry Pathology Neurology Internal medicine Anesthesiology
Introverted–Intuitive–Feeling–Perceptive (INFP)
Psychiatry Cardiology Neurology Dermatology Pathology
Introverted–Intuitive–Thinking–Perceptive (INTP)
Neurology Pathology Psychiatry Cardiology Thoracic surgery
Extroverted–Sensing–Thinking–Perceptive (ESTP)
Orthopedic surgery Dermatology Family practice Radiology General surgery
Extroverted–Sensing–Feeling–Perceptive (ESFP)
Ophthalmology Thoracic surgery Obstetrics‐gynecology Orthopedic surgery General surgery
Extroverted–Intuitive–Thinking–Perceptive (ENTP)
Otolaryngology Psychiatry Radiology Pediatrics Pathology
Extroverted–Intuitive–Feeling–Judging (ENFJ)
Thoracic surgery Dermatology Psychiatry Ophthalmology Radiology
Extroverted–Intuitive–Thinking–Judging (ENTJ)
Neurology Cardiology Urology Thoracic surgery Internal medicine
*Source: McCaulley, M.H. The Myers Longitudinal Medical Study (Monograph II).Gainesville, Fla: Center for Applications of Psychological Type; 1977.
Now everybody is peeing on doctors, especially on anesthesiologists in ACT models, and they call it rain.
You have been progressively more bitter after your ICU fellowship. Have things not panned out as you planned in the ICU?That was 41 years ago! Big difference. 99.9% of anesthesiologists probably worked solo, as partners, back then. I went into medicine, and anesthesia, based on that idea(l).
Now everybody is peeing on doctors, especially on anesthesiologists in ACT models, and they call it rain.
I will also add, you are not special. No one cares about your M.D. or whatever letters you have after your name. You will forever be known as an “FTE” (full time equivalent) in the eyes of those who sign your paycheck. No one cares that you can draw a graph explaining the context-sensitive half time of propofol. You are equivalent to a CRNA. Who cares, get over it.
If I have learned something during all these years, watching my anesthesiology market, is: seize the day, tomorrow WILL be worse. Textbook rat race.I used to recommend a fellowship as a form of job security, but I don’t anymore. Do a fellowship if doing that particular field brings you some kind of joy or satisfaction. Otherwise, it’s a waste of time and money. It’s one less year of earning money to give you that financial flexibility that is so critical to happiness in this field. Fellowships don’t necessarily get you better jobs, they just get you different jobs. There are plenty of cardiac anesthesiologists out there working for an AMC with Q4 call, 300k, and 4 weeks “PTO.”
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The Alaskan rat. 😀Which personality type most closely corresponds with being the best rat? I wanna win the race and find that cheese.
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Dang, judging by everything, I should go into pathology based on my personality. I kind of like the adrenaline rush of things, I like the immediate gratification of things. I hate to have 8 hours of mindgasms that come with internal medicine or medicine in general. Surgery is a no no. I feel as though I'd care too much about psychiatry patient or eventually get tired of people complaining about their problems. radiology, papillary thyroid cancer + low vitamin D? no thanks. I had initially narrowed it down to pathology or anesthesiology. I guess I'm not suited for anesthesiology.....
Dang, judging by everything, I should go into pathology based on my personality. I kind of like the adrenaline rush of things, I like the immediate gratification of things. I hate to have 8 hours of mindgasms that come with internal medicine or medicine in general. Surgery is a no no. I feel as though I'd care too much about psychiatry patient or eventually get tired of people complaining about their problems. radiology, papillary thyroid cancer + low vitamin D? no thanks. I had initially narrowed it down to pathology or anesthesiology. I guess I'm not suited for anesthesiology.....
If you can do a month long pathology rotation and don't want to gouge your eyes out with a pencil, then you're not a good fit for anesthesiology
I did a path rotation (2 weeks) and loved it. Here I am doing anesthesiology residency and really really loving it. It probably helps that I was a microbiology major in undergrad so I don't mind staring through a microscope for extended periods of time.If you can do a month long pathology rotation and don't want to gouge your eyes out with a pencil, then you're not a good fit for anesthesiology
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What medical specialty do you wish you had chosen? The golden years are gone sure but I still love my job
It's meaningless mumbo jumbo that sells self help books to people who watch daytime TV. You've already expended more effort down this line of inquiry than is necessary. 🙂Anyone have more insight into why ISTJ is not a good fit?
IM + CCM, most likely (possibly another subspecialty that would have allowed me to practice solo). Back then, I was offered both a prelim and a categorical IM contract (out-of-match), and had a weekend to think about it. I probably made the right choice, because, for a FMG, it was/is much easier to get into a good academic anesthesiology program than a good academic IM program. Had I been an American grad, different story.What medical specialty do you wish you had chosen? The golden years are gone sure but I still love my job
IM + CCM, most likely (possibly another subspecialty that would have allowed me to practice solo outpatient). Back then, I was offered both a prelim and a categorical IM contract (out-of-match), and had a weekend to think about it. I probably made the right choice, because, for a FMG, it was/is much easier to get into a good academic anesthesiology program than a good academic IM program. Had I been an American grad, different story.
Anesthesiology can be a cushy gig, especially in a solo setting, but it can kill the soul of an introvert who can't suffer fools and be THE doctor in the room. Many introverts are not really born to be team players, they just fake it, especially in America.
Of course, hindsight is always 20/20.
You can never "make it", if it's not in your nature. The major difference with IM-CCM is that the intensivist is THE patient's doctor in the MICU. In the SICU, s/he's ONE of the doctors.Fake it until you make it... 😉
What do you think is different between IM + CCM and Anes + CCM? Knowledge base/approaches/even oh God Forbid financial aspects?
You can never "make it", if it's not in your nature. The major difference with IM-CCM is that the intensivist is THE patient's doctor in the MICU. In the SICU, s/he's ONE of the doctors.
An introvert won't feel good as a consultant who's opinions are ignored, or who constantly has to convince fools that he's right. One needs a dose of not giving a crap to function in such an environment; for a serious introvert, it's the recipe for burnout.
Just my 2 cents.
FYI, the OR is a noisy place, and you can't use ear plugs.Might I add, i also developed this condition with my ear where I have sound sensitivity (both to internal and external sounds). Now I'm REALLY thinking anesthesiology is not my cup of tea. Life is so unpredictable, I always thought I'd go into anesthesiology, the people are kickass, the results are immediate, the pay is good, not too much patient contact...ugh dream job down the drain. On to patho I suppose, thanks everyone.
lmfao is it that bad? why is it that bad?
I was not talking about not involving consultants. I was talking about who is primary, who's the captain of the ship. In the SICU, the intensivist is a consultant. In the MICU, s/he's the primary physician. Huge difference. A wise primary doc will follow the advice of his consultants, but surgeons are generally not so wise.
An introvert won't feel good as a consultant who's opinions are ignored, or who constantly has to convince fools that he's right. One needs a dose of not giving a crap to function in such an environment; for a serious introvert, it's the recipe for burnout.
Just my 2 cents.
Why did you pursue an ICU fellowship? It was pretty clear to me that any surgical ICU attendings were really life long interns to the surgeons. Did you not see that as a resident?
What can I say, I am not as smart as you.Why did you pursue an ICU fellowship? It was pretty clear to me that any surgical ICU attendings were really life long interns to the surgeons. Did you not see that as a resident?
When I was in residency I realized that even if I didn't like the dynamics in the ICU, I liked the knowledge. Thus, I bought a book and read it. You don't need a fellowship to acquire the knowledge.
Good luck. Most anesthesia jobs are not stool-sitting, so there will be a lot of others in "your own world". 😉I’m and INFP.
Anesthesia is the perfect fit for me. It gives me a way to be social, but in my own world most of the time. (Especially when I put the drapes up high.)
It’s kinda like the reason that I study in coffee shops: there is a busy energy all around me but I don’t have to engage in it. I can do my work my own way.