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Any pearls for infraclavicular blocks on the obese? I find these to be particularly challenging. I have chosen supraclavicular more than once when I would have preferred infraclavicular because of body habitus.
use the curvilinear probe
Any pearls for infraclavicular blocks on the obese? I find these to be particularly challenging. I have chosen supraclavicular more than once when I would have preferred infraclavicular because of body habitus.
Any pearls for infraclavicular blocks on the obese? I find these to be particularly challenging. I have chosen supraclavicular more than once when I would have preferred infraclavicular because of body habitus.
We use the small curvilinear probe in all pts getting infraclav. The benefit vs. linear probe is clear even in skinny patients because you can image the entire needle path.
In an obese patient, you'll need deeper depth (~6cm as mentioned above) and to place your probe proportionally more caudad. With cephalad aiming of your probe and your usual needle trajectory of 45-60 degrees up from horizontal, you should still have decent needle visualization at that kind of depth. Nonetheless, it's a tough block in these fatties.
As far as the risk of PTX, that risk is minimized (one of our attendings, who Blade has quoted above, says the risk is 0%) by blocking the brachial plexus just lateral to pleura. If you can see pleura, your beam and intended needle path are too medial.
that study makes no sense, n=40? and explain why blocking the same exact fiber with the same exact meds about 2 inches more distally is associated with a longer block? i think this is BS someone trying to get there name in publications, 14 hours vs 19 hours come on, you can routinely get 18+ hour blocks with the right cocktail and needle positioning. just do SC for everyone, your not going to drop a lung if you just see your needle from start to finish, why struggle for no reason with the IC?
If you want to see your needle very well use 4" needle, insert needle cephalad and depp to clavicle and bring it down to your target nearly parallel to your standard linear probe.
If you want to see your needle very well use 4" needle, insert needle cephalad and depp to clavicle and bring it down to your target nearly parallel to your standard linear probe.
If you want to see your needle very well use 4" needle, insert needle cephalad and depp to clavicle and bring it down to your target nearly parallel to your standard linear probe.
Deep and cephalad to the clavicle? Are you serious? Isn't that painful and dangerous?
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The needle is too close to the probe if you are raising the arm up. If I am going to start with my needle this close to the probe there is no reason to move the arm at all.
In general, you can get a better view of the needle by raising the arm (abduction to 90 degrees) and placing the echogenic needle several centimeters away from the probe.
You never know, always good to have a full complement of techniques available. Maybe there would be a lesion or a central line in the infra insertion site. I appreciate your advice i feel grateful to employ your ideas whenever they come in handy.
I have only seen it reported once as an abstract, but can't find the reference. It is really just like a traditional US guided infraclav block, just with the needle entering more cephalad and at a shallower angle. I am not competing for a "best" technique, I am happy to learn the advantages of many techniques.Thanks stonemd for sharing your technique. It reminds me of a technique I once read about -- pediatric central vein access, where the linear transducer crosses the clavicle and you can watch your needle enter distally and see the guide wire proximally. I bet your technique would work nicely in peds, although the classic infraclav approach should also be much easier in peds.
Do you have any articles or textbooks that reference your technique? It'll save me the trouble of poring over netter to review the anatomy.