Institutional action-iClicker

[jw9441]

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I got a mark on my unofficial transcript for one year which was later removed for sending my iclicker with another student to class one day. This was an isolated incident. Is this still considered IA if it was removed from my unofficial transcript and not official. Also, is this sort of thing seen in the same way as cheating? Thanks for your help.

 

[gyngyn]

Yes, you must report it:

• "Institutional Action: Medical schools need to know if you were ever the recipient of any institutional action resulting from unacceptable academic performance or a conduct violation, even if such action did not interrupt your enrollment, require you to withdraw, or does not appear on your official transcripts due to institutional policy or personal petition."
• https://students-residents.aamc.org...cle/sections-1-3-your-background-information/

 

[LizzyM]

I got a mark on my unofficial transcript for one year which was later removed for sending my iclicker with another student to class one day. This was an isolated incident. Is this still considered IA if it was removed from my unofficial transcript and not official. Also, is this sort of thing seen in the same way as cheating? Thanks for your help.

I believe the gyngyn has answered the "do I need to report this?" question. In terms of how it is seen, it is academic misconduct and might be called academic dishonesty which is also what cheating is called. It is hard to prove that this was an isolated incident vs the only time you were caught. It might not be death sentence but it will not be "nothing".

 

[Robin-jay]

If it is not in your record that is sent to schools then you're safe in not reporting it. My dean actually told us that. Now whether you can sleep at night is another story. Your choice.

LOL. No you're not safe in not reporting it. Medical schools have the task of due diligence to ensure their admitted students don't have any I.A's by calling the school. Do some of them not do it? Sure, but that's risky.

One student was shocked at an interview when his interviewer told him he saw an IA that wasn't reported by calling the school, and later was rejected from the school. He was accepted to the same school the next year after reporting it.

Talk to the student conduct dean, they would tell you the same.

 

[Goro]

And if some professor in the hopes of helping the applicant by saying some reference like “his actions concering iClicker were isolated and nothing like the student I recommend here” the would be a RED FLAG and potentially getting the applicant from ever applying.

At my school we have had candidates outed by such LORs and we then rejected then. 100% of the time.

 

[Robin-jay]

Do your letter writers know of this situation. If they don't and it's not on your transcript and there's no leave of absence or grade associated with it there's no way they'd know unless they randomly called. Again, I think the chances are low you'd get caught but whether the stress of someone finding out is worth it is for you to decide.

Sometimes they do randomly call, because its not random, its required...

OP can do what he wants. There's probably a higher probability that he wouldn't be caught if he didn't report it. But it's a risky thing.

 

[trobinsonmd]

literally 50% of people in undergrad will have someone click in for them at least once, all of my friends did it, I did it, all of the pre-meds did it... and the professor usually lets it slide several times until they decide to crack down on it and there is one unlucky person who gets reported for doing it... sucks that in this case it was you. I would 110% agree that you need to report this, med schools can very easily find out about this and if you hide it, your prospective career as an MD is done. Med schools clearly will not view this favorably and it really varies case by case... if I was reviewing an application and the applicant had stellar stats and this was an ISOLATED incident, I would consider that applicant for an interview... pre-meds are not perfect and make mistakes

 

[Princeton Medical Student]

Transfer to a different school, get LORs from profs that know nothing of the incident, say nothing.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Now now. Let's not make assumptions about who I am and what I know. We are all anonymous on here within reason. I know people who have done it and gotten away with it and I know people who have done it and got caught. Just saying probably won't get caught but it's possible. Depends on how much stress you want to have about it. Everyone is free to make an informed decision.

You are giving just the worst advice.

 

[LizzyM]

Now now. Let's not make assumptions about who I am and what I know. We are all anonymous on here within reason. I know people who have done it and gotten away with it and I know people who have done it and got caught. Just saying probably won't get caught but it's possible. Depends on how much stress you want to have about it. Everyone is free to make an informed decision.

Everyone is free to be honest or dishonest. If you make a mistake once and are caught, perhaps you were being dishonest or it was an "honest mistake". At the next point where you can choose be be honest or dishonest, and where the stakes are, perhaps, a bit higher, which choice to you make? And so we take the measure of an applicant's honesty and desire to do the right thing, even when it puts the applicant at a disadvantage.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Students do get away with this stuff. You're not going to get someone to follow the rules without acknowledging that. Is it wrong? Yes. Should he/she lie? No. We are all responsible for our choices. I encourage the person to say the truth but they probably won't get caught because unless there's something on there to have suspicion or there's someone who happens to check randomly they are in the clear. None of the moderators will have to deal with consequences of the OP's decisions.

Just stop.