tvelocity514

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Could someone please pm me if you have recently gone through the integrated CT surgery residency application (and matched). I would appreciate the opportunity to ask some personal (using my stats/school etc) type of questions but I can't find anyone on here to pm. Thank you!
 
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Hi,

Could someone please pm me if you have recently gone through the integrated CT surgery residency application (and matched). I would appreciate the opportunity to ask some personal (using my stats/school etc) type of questions but I can't find anyone on here to pm. Thank you!
Feel free to PM, but posting here is likely best as others may also want to know the answers.
 

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Sorry, but what are the qualifications for getting into these i6 programs as far as board scores and research requirements and competitiveness, and is there a list of available programs anywhere??
 
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I would like to see thoughts and info as well on this regarding board scores/competitiveness and whether or not this is a better pathway for possibly pursuing congenital cardiac. Any insight @SouthernSurgeon / @mimelim ? Also would 4+3's be a less or equally competitive? Thanks in advanced.

However anecdotally @tvelocity514 and @SpikesnSpookes I have conversed with somebody who is a PGY5 in an I6 program. They are a DO, and said they had a mid 240 step, some general surgery/ cardiac research, and great letters from surgical staff at their school. Went and crushed an away, and matched... Don't know if that is any help but thats all I can add.
 

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I would like to see thoughts and info as well on this regarding board scores/competitiveness and whether or not this is a better pathway for possibly pursuing congenital cardiac. Any insight @SouthernSurgeon / @mimelim ? Also would 4+3's be a less or equally competitive? Thanks in advanced.

However anecdotally @tvelocity514 and @SpikesnSpookes I have conversed with somebody who is a PGY5 in an I6 program. They are a DO, and said they had a mid 240 step, some general surgery/ cardiac research, and great letters from surgical staff at their school. Went and crushed an away, and matched... Don't know if that is any help but thats all I can add.
I'm hearing at some programs, they look for Step scores > 230. As there are few overall spots available and more applicants than spots, the better your stats are, the better your chances. So including research and good LORs from CT surgeons is important. CT surgery isn't a huge field and many academic surgeons know each other across the country.

As for pursuing congenital cardiac, it doesn't matter which pathway you go through to get there.
 
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I would like to see thoughts and info as well on this regarding board scores/competitiveness and whether or not this is a better pathway for possibly pursuing congenital cardiac. Any insight @SouthernSurgeon / @mimelim ? Also would 4+3's be a less or equally competitive? Thanks in advanced.

However anecdotally @tvelocity514 and @SpikesnSpookes I have conversed with somebody who is a PGY5 in an I6 program. They are a DO, and said they had a mid 240 step, some general surgery/ cardiac research, and great letters from surgical staff at their school. Went and crushed an away, and matched... Don't know if that is any help but thats all I can add.
As one of the people in congenital cardiac surgery, I can say if you go I6, go to a program with an ACGME accredited fellowship. There is always a bias to keep internal candidates who are good. You are after all competing for 11 spots in the country. In addition, there is an increasing push to go to a two-year fellowship for I6 graduates who want to pursue congenital.
 
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Only 11 spots in the country and I swear over half the people matching in I6 programs do it planning on going into congenital...
Agreed and the number of jobs for new grads are very few. Some people don't get jobs in the field as a result. This is truly a field you have to pursue with a passion because there are only 150 or so congenital surgeons in all North America. A long training pipeline where there is absolutely no guarantee of a job at the end.
 
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What are the number of spots of integrated CT programs per year? I can't find any match data at all and if anybody has anything, I'd love to hear!
 
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What are the number of spots of integrated CT programs per year? I can't find any match data at all and if anybody has anything, I'd love to hear!
1) Here are two webpages with some general info about CT I6 and 4 + 3 TS:

http://www.tsda.org/the-tsda/ct-residency-programs/integrated-residency-progams/
http://www.tsda.org/the-tsda/ct-residency-programs/43-thoracic-surgery-residency-programs/

2) The next ones offer some stats on the CT I6 Match (per program:, etc.)

a) NRMP Program Results 2012-2016 Main Residency Match:

http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Main-Match-Program-Results-2012-2016.pdf

b) 2016 NRMP Main Residency Match: Match Rates by Specialty and State:

http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Main-Match-Results-by-State-and-Specialty-2016.pdf

c) Results and Data 2016 Main Residency Match:

http://www.nrmp.org/match-data/main-residency-match-data/

3) Also, please find a SDN post (or two) about my experience of the CT I6 Match process that I shared earlier:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/regarding-my-match-2016-results-would-appreciate-some-feedback.1200020/
Dates: Shorin-Ryu, 09.13.16. ; Shorin-Ryu, 09.09.16

Hope this will help.

Good luck!
 
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1) Here are two webpages with some general info about CT I6 and 4 + 3 TS:

http://www.tsda.org/the-tsda/ct-residency-programs/integrated-residency-progams/
http://www.tsda.org/the-tsda/ct-residency-programs/43-thoracic-surgery-residency-programs/

2) The next ones offer some stats on the CT I6 Match (per program:, etc.)

NRMP Program Results 2012-2016 Main Residency Match:

http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Main-Match-Program-Results-2012-2016.pdf

Results and Data 2016 Main Residency Match:

http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Main-Match-Results-and-Data-2016.pdf
http://www.nrmp.org/match-data/main-residency-match-data/

3) Also, please find a SDN post (or two) about my experience of the CT I6 Match process that I shared earlier:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/regarding-my-match-2016-results-would-appreciate-some-feedback.1200020/
Dates: Shorin-Ryu, 09.13.16. ; Shorin-Ryu, 09.09.16

Hope this will help.

Good luck!
Are those TDSA lists up-to-date/reliable? That 4+3 list looks way off.
 
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FREIDA doesn't allow you to see 4+3, to my knowledge.
You maybe right about Freida. Try Thoracic Surgery Resident Association:

http://www.tsranet.org/

Off my head, I believe NYU has a 4 + 3 as well as Mayo. You have to look online to verify if a program has a 4 + 3 program or call GS programs and ask them. If a program has a TS fellowship, most likely, they may offer a 4 + 3 program. However, if a program has an internal candidate, they may not make the info available. I maybe wrong about that. I did not apply to 4 + 3 programs directly. My goal was CT I6.

Good luck!
 

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Generally, most of the 4+3 programs take internal GS candidates. Mayo is the only one I believe, that allows you to apply directly to the program out of med school, which they did in lieu of establishing a regular I6.
 
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